Khan vs dragon reborn

Questions and Comments
#61

Remember to track your progress through objective results as well. Don’t rely solely on your gut feeling, as it can be quite misleading.

Think about the characteristics you “should” have (the kind of person you should become) and the reality you “should” live in to be worthy of aspiring to become an Emperor and get there running your stack. While all of this may seem subjective, by considering your objective results, you’ll know when the time to become Emperor has come.

Take action as well.

For Ascension, it’s about growing as a man, whatever that means to you. It could involve building a social circle and becoming its leader, for example, or dating the women you’ve always wanted.
For TWTP, it’s about mastering the social game and improving your social standing and influence.
For Phoenix, it’s about eliminating your detrimental mental and behavioral patterns.

By the way, both Ascension and TWTP can help improve seduction skills, so you may want to focus on those as well.

Cheers.

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#62

What would you say to someone who went through narcissistic abuse throughout their childhood would benefit better from DRR initially compared to khan? Considering I have had quite a bit of experience with other subliminal makers, hypnosis audios, qigong, and yoga.

What would be the good way to plan out this healing? something like this below? or listen to each title solo?

  1. Dragon Reborn + ascencion or primal
  2. Phoenix + ascencion or primal
  3. khan + emperor
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#63

It depends on how severe the issues you want to address are.

  • Severe = DRR (healing) + Sanguine (balancing) + QL1 (repairing the nervous system)
  • Medium = Phoenix (reframing) + Emp: TWTP (establishing strong boundaries)
  • Mild = Total Breakdown (rooting out obstacles) + LB (self-love)

If it were severe, I would go through all of that in three consecutive phases.

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#64

What do you mean by three consecutive phases? Like something below? I understand you said it’s not about timesframes but rather the progress you make with subs. What is “Total Breakdown”? I looked it up in major titles and didn’t find anything

Phase 1
Month 1: DRR st1 + Sanguine + QL1
Month 2: DRR st2 + Sanguine + QL1
Month 3: DRR st3 + Sanguine + QL1
Month 4: DRR st4 + Sanguine + QL1

Phase 2
Month 5: Phoenix + Emperor: TWTP

Phase 3
Month 6: Total breakdown + LB

#65

More or less. However, it’s not really about time frames. Healing is extremely difficult to gauge, and some results can surface even months or years after the healing process is “technically” complete.

In my opinion and experience, the best metric for healing subs (or DDR stages) is to run them until you no longer experience recon for an extended period. As long as recon is still happening, there are unresolved issues being addressed.

However, as I said before, some results can manifest much later, so even this isn’t a perfect metric.

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#67

It’s okay my friend, you shared the right guidance so I can take the action correctly. I’m sure with my strong intuition and private journal writing I will be able to find the right pace. I have a feeling it will take a couple years which I am okay with. I am grateful for you and this conversation.

#68

Not necessarily. It’s also for people who want to seriously upgrade their entire being and identity and who are very serious about it. You’d literally have to stay on this for almost one year. It’s not for everyone.
Total breakdown or Phoenix are good alternative for people who don’t want to commit 8 - 12 months to doing the deep work with DRR.

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#69

I’m on my 2nd cycle of Ascension and Phoenix and it’s going well. A while ago I was thinking about adding TWTP but after reading some posts about Love Bomb I was thinking about adding it instead mostly because before I focus on learning seduction skills I think I should get a deep sense of self love and love for others. Any thoughts on this?

#70

It depends on the kind of seduction you’re interested in and the “type of person” you are. Women are attracted to a variety of “archetypes,” and it’s about finding your “native” one and tapping into it to the fullest, adding some variations later on or tapping into the most appealing and easiest to “embody” elements of other archetypes. If you are naturally charming by default, LB is the way to go.

It’s more about self-honesty, self-acceptance, and self-confidence than self-love. It may sound counterintuitive, but narcissists are the best example of how self-love is not everything—and not even the core of “attractive” psychology. Moreover, there are lots of examples of insanely effective seducers who even loathed themselves, like Casanova and Lord Byron.

If seduction is your main goal, perhaps more self-love is not the way to go. However, if it’s about finding “the one,” LB could be a great tool to get you there. Or, like I said, you might be naturally charming and then LB would amplify that.

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#71

Once again awesome advice and some things that I didn’t consider. I think sticking with the original plan of adding TWTP is the way to go for now. Thank you again

#72

Any recommendations on stacking? Because I’m up to full loops on Ascension and Phoenix that I do:
Day 1: Ascension (full loop) + TWTP (30 seconds and work my way up)
Day 2: Rest
Day 3: Phoenix (full loop)

#73

I would love to hear your experience with Ascencion, TWTP, and Phoenix once you get through however many cycles you do.

#74

For sure. I’ll keep you posted

#75

I’m wondering how to interpret your comment of running until I no long experience recon for an extended period? Should I be microlooping with the goal of listening to 15 minutes? Does that mean eventually I should be able to run each stage at 15 minutes and not get recon for days or weeks?

I’ve ran 3 cycles of stage 1. I was micro looping 10 seconds to only get subtle recon heavy feeling in my head and worked my way up to 1:30. I’ve been getting tested daily or every other day by the sub. Today I ran up my listening time to 2:30 today and got hit with decent recon of a heavy feeling in my head. I also want to be able to get stuff done throughout my week so I don’t want to push it too hard.

#76

That’s correct. However, it’s just my opinion.

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#77

Interesting. Would be a good test for the last 3 listens of a stage before deciding if ready to move on.

#78

Recon is a bad indicator if you should move on or not.

I for example got recon on TB only at first, not a the end. But I believe, that I still can easily grow on TB.

Also, that you would mean that you’re only ready to move on once you get no more recon.

But you could still profit greatly from following stages even if you’re getting recon from full loops.

I don’t think to many listen to all 4 stages of a sub for a long enough time to solve all recon.

Also, there’s a different approach to 4 stagers, where you cycle through the stages and begin again at stage 1.

Now having developed further through the other states, stage 1 has it easier and can dig deeper.

Another personal example. Before running Khan I ran an Ascension/LB custom containing I AM ATMAN (a big element of TB). I didn’t get any recon from this custom at then end.

Now after half a year on Khan I listened to it for 30 seconds. BOOM. Recon. Strong recon.
Something shifted in me through Khan. And now this custom cam work differently, digging deeper.

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#79

There are no other obvious indicators on healing subliminals but there are others. However, for people who are not very introspective or observant, that’s the best metric in my opinion. I’ve noticed that when there’s no more reconciliation for a longer period of time, the other indicators also tend to suggest a “subliminal plateau.” Of course, that doesn’t indicate the work is done as I mentioned before:

I didn’t say that (like you can read in the citation of my source post above), and nothing I said implies it either. I simply stated that it was the best metric in my opinion. On top of that, I was referring specifically to healing subliminals—not to customs with healing modules or subliminals in general.

I never claimed that once you stop experiencing reconciliation, you won’t benefit from running your healing title anymore, or that reconciliation won’t return in the future.

The core of my point was this:

I can add that the above applies to all subs, not only healing. I guess it’s obvious to everyone, anyhow.

It’s your choice whether you want to keep reconciling your unresolved issues or move on to something else—or something that reconciles them more effectively, I gave you my imperfect metric only.

It’s never that ordnung muss sein (there must be order) We’re talking about the subconscious mind—it follows its own rules. Just remember that.

#80

I’ll give it try. Let’s see how this goes thanks!

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