great.
can you give us some details?
how long after using the subs did you start getting laid like crazy?
how many girls did you sleep with during this “crazy” period?
how many girls had you been with before you started using the subs?
which specific sub gave you these results?
you see this is exactly my frustration with seduction products and this forum.
everything you just wrote might sound great to YOU but to me that all means nothing.
the only thing to me that is real results is did you actually sleep with the girl.
everything you wrote here to me is irrelevant.
how many girls did you actually sleep with after using the sub?
and i yes i understand that not everyone looks at it from my perspective but i find it weird that no one at all seems to be reporting lots of sex with new women. 99% of seduction reviews are like yours.
you have seen several reviews of libertine where guys claim they are sleeping with a lot of new women after using it?
really?
can you link me directly to these posts?
im pretty sure i have read 90% of that thread and i do not remember much actual results being reported with my definition of actual results being sex with new women.
yes it is all about perspective and yes if you are some incel who has never even kissed a girl then having girls look at you is great.
but im not coming from such a starting point and the sales pages of these seduction products imply must more significant results then this.
again, my question is the same, where the guys getting laid like Rockstar’s?
surely there are other guys like me who buy these products as aspiring PUAs, ladies men, players, whatever you want to call it…
surely im not in the minority in being a guy who is interested in these products because i want to sleep witha lot of new women
surely there is a reason these products are marketed in a way that implies the buyer will get laid like a rockstar after
so where are the results? please link to any direct post of someone getting laid like crazy after using subs.
What I write for me is great leap considering the community I live at . The religious beliefs of womens I interact with . Having sex where I live need a different setup due to the conservative type community . And the laws regarding sex ,That it should be between married people.
Results from khan
Results from primal seduction
How about just creating your own experiences? And if you are unable to then hey 30 day money back guarantee.
If you want something that works fast, then not Khan. That one is an investment.
So true guy!
Gotta put in that time
This thread reminds me so much of that guy TheRationalOptimist.
Same thinking in terms of “MUST get EXACT numbers or it DOESN’T matter”.
Just misses the “stay OUT of my THREAD”.
I went from a divorced lonely guy to having multiple high quality women in my life to just two that I’m really satisfied with while on SC. Did I bother with this PUA nonsense of MUST APPROACH MUST HAVE EXACT NUMBERS? Nah mate.
Its such a boring and ineffective way to live life.
After reading this, I’m going to give you a recommendation given by an old high school teacher:
"If you consider yourself a loser enough that no one girl would like to have sex with you, then do this:
Dress yourself the best(don’t forget the perfume) that you can and stand in a very popular corner of your city and ask every single woman that passed by if she want to have some sex with you. Following this approach someone will tell you, yes, at least for pity."
Followig this suggestion. It will be a new woman every time you have success. It is only question of increase your sampling.
You certainly don’t need any subliminal for seduction!
Whilst this will get you laid the problem with it is you will be getting a mercy fuck from a [Moderator Edit: Please stop the derogatory words] almost as desperate a you.
Its like riding a moped, you wouldn’t want your mates to see you.
Yet Real007 (I bet he isn’t) does have a point.
There are not many reports of guys getting laid like rockstars. But there are some.
There are a number of reasons why, the rockstars are too busy draining their balls, as a self help site some users start from a low base that getting a tongue down is a massive step forward, the sales copy is…well, sales copy and something the sex mad weirdos with 5’s have completely overlooked is most guys don’t want to always be getting new partners, they simply want a few partners better than they can currently get.
Perhaps the sex mad weirdo’s should think what they get from being sex mad.
Is it really validation as a man?
When you are talking about 6’s.
When you have done the soul collection stuff.
Its all a bit meh.
As soon as you know its all just a numbers game/have reached the lesser rich there are more interesting things in life.
[Moderator Edit: please refer to women as women] A new one 
If someone believe that a subliminal magically will produce irresistible pheromones that will make women fuck with you as crazy, that only happens in Peter Pan land, Neverland!
I get laid with 6 different women with Libertine v1. Five of them never had squirted in their life. So, continuing having sex with them does not count as new but I am thankful for my regular maintenance!
PS. I’m not Biggus Dickus yet. I didn’t use Diamond.
@Real007 - It’s best you take a pragmatic approach to finding out whether the subs here work or not. Here are some steps you could take:
Look at the various Seduction titles on the sales page and see what matches close to your style of Seduction. Is it Primal or Primal Seduction or Libertine or WANTED or Heartsong or…?
You purchase that 1 title based on the previous point, open a journal and try it for 30 days along with taking action.
If you get results, continue. If you don’t, get a refund.
For your information, the forum wasn’t made to prove to you or anyone else that the products work. It was made to act as online journals and for getting feedback and help from others on their journey.
You might think that the people here are avoiding your questions even when they give you answers based on THEIR UNIQUE experiences about THEIR JOURNEYS. But what else can people share but their own life stories? Will it make you believe if I said that I got laid with 69 girls after I used Libertine? No.
Coming back to the point, try and see. If it works, keep going. If it doesn’t work, get your money back within the refund period.
Why dont you go out and meet hot women ?. Saint and RVconsultant gave you great advice.
If you need coaching perhaps pm Friday. Maybe he can offer you some pointers. He is getting laid on a regular basis.
Make a comitment to yourself when i see a girl that i like i am going to talk to her. Stop making excuses to yourself “ohhh i will never find a soulmate blah blah blah”.
Come on pull your socks up !!
Exactly he thinks when listening to subs super hot models are going to appear in front of him whilst he is eating his slice of pizza watching an episode of miami vice.
@Invictus you are a ladies man can you please offer him some guidance.
@gdbdboy you are a play boy perhaps share your advice.
I have been told by RVconsultant that i am insulting your brain capacity. This is not what i am doing.
You seem to be living in an Alice in Wonderland world. You think these subs have voodoo magic smells bestowed on them. So girls will magically fall for you this is not the AXE advert.
You think Saint and Fire listened to subs and turned their idea into a million dollar business overnight ? No they never they worked long hours.
If you want a super model become the man who gets super models !!!.
RVConsultant is one of the worlds top remote viewers. Do you think he got there because he listened to a sub whilst guzzling down hot dogs…for sure no !!.
You are an intelligent person now read all the advice in this thread and go forth into the world and find a super model.
Good luck friend.
Love you 
I’ll report soon for that on a new journal
Gotta love the biggus Dickus vibe and make it a lifestyle !
I totally agree with @OldChap
And @Real007
With all due respect to everyone viewing life that way , To be honest i think trying to get only sex is a poor mentality and its something very not fulfilling i would say, i agree whoever says look for experiences moments good times in life not just sex,
Sex comes as an add on to a good life
We all view life differently and im sorry if my opinion isnt what youre looking for,
But…
Who am i to judge on your lifestyle, i think its your right to find what youre looking for , getting laid or whatever the sales page says something you should get it! Not 100% get it you have to work on that, cause its still a sales page, it shows you the potential it can lead you to, not where youre personally heading and developing
But i think subs do actually work pretty good you can see people with their journals, mine too, so why wouldn’t seducction or sex subs wont work too?
Ive been here for 6 weeks and all i can say that results are huge!(not from sex subs)
So dig up whats the problem
Problem is some people think life is a bowel of fruit. They want the moon on the stick.
@Budewr i have seen some really positive changes in you and i am very proud of your progress keep it up 