It’s directly relevant to the thread topic though; Does PMO hurt flow factor?
And speaking as someone who has been on both sides of the using porn fence I now have come to wholeheartedly agree with Luther. Quitting PMO will only help anyones’s flow factor.
I agree. Even I would recommend against it.
But this debate is going along the lines of a flame war which is why I think enough have been said on the topic and continuing this will only result in going round and round on the matter.
Not if it’s your own 
Gotta critique your own performance at times
First, welcome back to you.
Second, welcome back to your sense of humor.
Thanks for the good luck wishes although I don’t need them. I’ve got better things to do than focus on my daily urge levels and how many days in a row I’ve not jerked off in the hope of curing my 'porn addiction '. I know where you’re coming from and for the most part I agree with you but I just don’t care for putting too much focus on a negative (porn) like the nofappers do.
I know we want to drop this topic but I feel you misrepresented my post with the cherry picked quote you used.
Oops, meant to delete that, not post it.
Anyway, about the topic at hand. In my experience flow factor increases when i take some time to reflect on my results every now and than. This also helps inspire me to take even more action towards the goals of the sub, causing even more results to flow in.
With the more healing based subs ive found journalling and going for walks in nature to be an amazing help. Especially on DR and the love bombs ive had some amazingly profound experiences doing this.
Saint I never once said or implied that my individual experience was evidence of an issue with zpv2. I posted feedback of my experience which was similar or same to a few others. It got reacted to with the claim that I am mixing modalities. I have made it clear on many occasions that happened once for a week or so late last year, that was the extent of it.
I agreed with your assessment that zpv2 is not harder to run in itself, it’s just there are harder titles in that release which might make it appear so.
About the sound mind subject. I dont have issue with that, I simply thought that it was taken to mean that individuals with depression and anxiety excetera were also disqualified, which I felt was odd since there are a range of healing subs offered.
And I certainly dont have an issue with the company watermark on the file. I dont know how you read this into my post. I just thought it seemed much the same as anti-piracy script.
I feel you are painting me as a certain type of user, which is unfair, since from when I joined over a year ago for the vast majority of that time I have not mixed at all. I had a mere one-2 week stint with morphic fields, with which I didnt even listen to in conjunction with your subs.
I have pointed this out in subsequent posts to but it’s like I keep being berated and punished for it. Now getting told that I am mixing subs with a bunch of other modalities and that therefore my feedback cant be accurate?
Neither @SaintSovereign nor myself have anything personal against you.
The issue comes from the fact that we cannot trust the feedback you provide, as you have been mixing modalities with our subliminals previously, and proceeded to not exactly be honest about this.
I completely understand and sympathize with the issues you have, and I sincerely hope you find the solution to this problem - with our subliminals or something else.
What we’re not going to do is take your feedback at face value as being representative of our subliminals. It simply is not - and going forward, while I believe you are being honest about not utilizing other modalities, we simply cannot know this for certain.
Simply put, that sort of original or implicit trust, or if you want to call it a gentleman’s agreement, has been broken by the time we first found out you were utilizing other modalities, and put you into a box of “he might be utilizing other modalities - for the purposes of data collection, we have to take his input with a grain of salt”.
This issue of a lack of trust is exacerbated by the fact that you continue posting lines such as:
We both know morphic fields and energy audio tracks that deal with the Kundalini are not a bit of breathing or meditation.
Hence, by posting paragraphs like these, we consider that perhaps you might not be completely truthful in your reports.
Does that mean you are evil, a liar, or that we are attempting to paint you in some negative light?
No, simply means we are not going to consider your input on the same level as someone as @Invictus, @Trader, @Malkuth, @bombayduck, @Lion, @AlexanderGraves, @TheEmpress, @Brandon, etc.
Ultimately, we are going to be basing our technology on feedback from individuals who have always provided in-depth and honest reports - be they positive or negative, who have no history of “oops, I mixed this and that and all this stuff, but it was only once I swear!”.
All these other situations we’ve had with you such as the sound mind thing, or the latest watermarking, combined with the lack of trust that’s been developed, puts us on guard.
Honestly?
I believe you.
But until this lack of trust has been mended with action, and take note we’ve had a couple incidents like this before, just honest, truthful feedback and reports are enough with no weird shenanigans in the background - until then, we’re going to be taking your input with a grain of salt.
For the sake of this company and its users as a whole, that is what we must do.
Out of respect for the campfire policy I will be “muting” this conversation for myself, so that it doesn’t pop up, i don’t contribute, and don’t fan the flames
Thank you @Fire, honesty I have nothing to hide. Not even embarrassed by all you posted. Yes I did miss out the fact that I also resumed a bit of brainwave entrainment around the point when I tried out morphic fields, which was a blatant mistake.
I only looked at them as a result of becoming curious during discussions in the Tools Besides Subliminals thread.
I never tried those Kabbalistic attunements. Even after it was offered and sent to me.
That person I shared the free biofield and bliss music tracks with (who requested them) was an extreme experimenter. I would not encourage it with someone who is not in a mix because I would not want to risk someones experience with subclub.
That knot situation does not give me near as much grief now. I just kept on with the subs. What I found settled my cramps too somehow was Genesis, so I will be forever grateful for that. It even eradicated a long term Achilles heel issue of sharp burning pains. (From first full loop)
I documented my great success with your title. My fatigue was from overactive dreaming it seems more so than overload. Check the Genesis thread, where I admited the morphic field error.
As a correction I did not mean that breathing exercises or meditation in the form spoken of here could be kundalini techniques or use of energetic apps. Just thought I was going to get told that I have a kundalini problem, and that given such I should even avoid breathing exercises or simple unaided meditation.
For clarification I would like to state that I think it is unlikely that anyone here or at least most subclub users do not incorporate any other lifestyle practices or habits which may impact or alter or influence their experience of the subs in some way which may not make their experience and feedback 100% pure and typical to the degree that it can be used as the standard or benchmark test for all users.
Apologies for misunderstandings, and I appreciate your patience and grace with me.
Ps. My reviews have been honest and truthful, when I gave them I dont feel were tainted.
Perhaps past dramas with other persons is inadvertently shaping how I am viewed.
No. We just know potential issues when we see them. And this is one. And we’d like it to stop.
Do you really feel that I am here to cause trouble? Well I am not. Maybe I just speak my mind a bit too much at times. I will be more careful from hereon in. Peace.
Subliminals naturally increase so called “flow factor” as they are stimuli to our primal energy, that exists in every animal, called aggression. Well, there’s a lot of misconceptions related to it but aggression is nothing more and nothing less than the force that drives us on a daily basis. Aggression means “stepping forward” or we can say “advancing”. Subliminals not only stimulate that primal force but also HELP us channel and convert it into progress (progression). Recon seems to be the very same energy (aggression) that didn’t get channeled and converted into progression, at least some part of that energy. It takes the form of “pure” unbridled aggression (getting easily triggered) or regression (stepping back) in the form of anxiety and/or depression most of the time. We need to help subliminals HELP us rechannel and covert that primal energy at our will by intent, focus and using it up by taking proper action. Naturally, the intent, focus and action should be align with the scripting, our actual needs, real desires, natural abilities and current circumstances as much as possible in order to reach so called high flow factor which is nothing else than a high conversion rate of our aggression.
@Voytek Love this post
So does this explain what happened when I tried just a 3 min loop of Wanted Black, as I became quite aggressive, as if I had too much testosterone?
How could I have avoided that or channeled it into a constructive force. It was not physical but more emotional and verbal aggression.
I could feel it in body, but I did not feel in danger of becoming harmful, except perhaps hurtful with words.
Simply by taking certain positive actions is the best advise to direct it? By my intention and focus too?
Because this aggression came up almost immediately after I listened.
It means to try an even shorter microloop or add more time between when you listen. You can always go down and play around with the schedule that way.
You seem to be creating some version of pychoanalytic theory here. Replacing Freud’s concept of ‘libido’ with the concept of ‘aggression’. Gives some food for thought. I wonder…
I’ve never thought of snails being driven by libido but that’s an entertaining thought indeed. 
There are other factors affecting our aggression like the needs described by Maslow. Of course, the Shadow as well.
Yes, unless that aggression is overwhelming. Then we still can try but it’s going to be much harder. The best way to tame it is to induce ‘proper’ amount of it by following what Saint said above.
Everything Luther said here is 
From my own experience I can tell that getting rid of porn is the #1 factor to increase your self worth and as a result of this also your flow factor.
Which means, in my personal opinion, that getting rid of porn and healing yourself from it on all levels (Khan 1, LBFH, Wanted, Wanted Black, Elixir, Khan Black 1+2, DR:LD, Heartsong etc.) should be the #1 goal for every man starting out on his journey with Subliminal Club.
Healed from porn and the traumas behind it = much higher flow factor
I have been thinking about everything written this thread, and I was looking for the piece of puzzle that connects all of these advices. Then suddenly the life inside me says -
LIFE FORCE
Boom !!
Then everything clicked. Those who have higher life force/ life energy circulating through body, they have higher flow factor. What do I mean? Most of us when we listen to subs, we rob ourselves of the results by constantly thinking about results and end up exhausting the energy that was meant for action. Those who have higher life force are able to just flow and keep taking action no matter what. When you talk to people like @Invictus and @Skadoosh you can feel they are full of energy, full of life !
Guess what ? These people are heavy action takers too. So they are able to supplement the mental alchemy with action as they have the energy to do it and they don’t waste their energy like we do ! Wait? We waste energy ??? Yeah, for starters take porn… The first thing about porn is that not only it depletes your life energy but also creates blockages that prevent it from flowing and coursing freely through out the body. Guess what? These people have been sayin this for a long time.
Second is during conversations, some people are energy hunters, meaning they have depleted energy so they cling onto you for absorbing your life energy (if you want, I will also link the video which explains the energy hunter idea). When you give attention to these people, you are robbed of your energy.
Third, is in mindless debates and arguments, I know we all know that we are right according to ourselves, but when the debate is not done for the purpose of growth but just for satisfaction of ego, be prepared to deplete your energy. If you cannot accept defeat in a debate you are probably doing it for the satisfaction of ego.
There are many more actually, for ex- Nutrition and all. But, I won’t go there. If you do even do these your results will multiply by a lot. Basically, increase your life energy by first of all leaving porn and healing your sexuality and sexual energetics (Khan Black). And then keeping the remaining in mind.
Also @Invictus and @Skadoosh, I would like to know if you agree with this on a practical level and if this has been your experience.