Meh. Disagree with this analogy because it implies that more exposure = more results when that’s absolutely not the case.
Understanding micro-loops is to understand subliminal scripting which is to understand the nature of the subconscious and unconscious which is to understand the nature of reality which is to understand the temporal versus eternal world which is to understand the nature of time as a human construction which is to understand why micro-loops work.
Lel.
it technically is the case though, under the condition that you are able to integrate it. Or else there would be no official recommendation to slowly increase exposure - what would be the point?
Script is divided into 4 stages, each getting more and more granular. @Fire gave this example a while ago:
So my analogy seems apt. First stage of language learning would be learning the alphabet and deciphering the phonetic system, as well as learning most frequent words, grammar structures and basic pronunciation, while the latter stages would be learning really subtle pronunciation things (like pitch accent for Japanese, for example), improving your mannerisms to match those of a native speakers, etc.
Thing is even advanced users and saint himself are using microloops even 30s or less and are happy with the results so no one wants to risk increasing and just get hit with recon
that doesn’t disprove my analogy in any way though. It’s a question of goals and priorities.
Advanced sub user doesn’t necessarily mean the one who got the most impressive results in each area of life (because that’s subjective. One person can run Wanted and in 6 months be able to say hi to a girl outside, another one can create a harem of 20 women in the same amount of time. Depending on the starting point, each of these can be equally impressive). Advanced user is someone who is able to work with the subs, take action, identify and manage recon, etc.
I’m an advanced English learner, my level is somewhere around C1-C2, yet I don’t care about being a near-native level, my pronunciation sucks and my speaking isn’t that good either (because I speak like once a year lol), so I don’t really care about working on all those little things that would push my level higher. Sure my overall level is slowly growing anyway because of all the exposure to English content but certain abilities are lacking and I’m not going to get to the near-native level through my current approach
If I wanted to get to the near-native level, I’d have to start working on pronunciation, intonations, accent, grow my vocabulary in different domains, etc.
Same with subs. For example, I just want to code some little project for personal usage and I don’t care about being a successful programmer. There’s no point for me to start using Index Gate, build up to full loops, work through all of the issues, etc. I can achieve my desired results with much less effort and without having to work through all of these things which are unnecessary for my goals. So I’ll use Index Gate for like 15-20s per loop and that is going to be more than enough. There’s no point in trying to build up to longer loops just for the sake of it, it’s just a waste of time, effort and mental resources
Awesome review. Thanks for sharing that with us 
I ran multiple loops through all of them. 1-4 each a month and then again, etc. Towards the end I only ran stage 4 tho. The longest. Probably a year. Stacked with other subs in between.
I notice mindset changes from the very first loop. But with Alchemist it tends to build on each other a lot. Mind you, I had 3 years of sub work beneath my belt before I did the new Alchemist, so your mileage may vary.
I do think Alchemist is not a sub to start with. It works best when you have some things untangled already. Dragon Reborn Gold still the one I recommend the most.
Recon. Massive recon. And it just didn’t feel good all day. With 3 mins I could still operate daily just fine and got good results. Which is why:
I disagree with this. I never had the desire to run the full 15min. The whole script is already in the first 3min or something, @SaintSovereign mentioned once. So I never had a desire to go the full 15min and I never did.
I assume if youre able to do the full 15min, it has better results, but what is the point when I already get insane results with 3min?
I know this goes against what Saint recommended above, so this is my personal theory and experience. I almost never ran any sub for 15min (other than when I was doing the testing).
However, if you can increase exposure and deal with it just fine, I mean, why not?
Thank you @AlexanderGraves for posting this. These are pearls of wisdom. SubClub can be daunting at first these days because there are so many titles and the recommended way we listen to the subs has changed a couple of times in the last few months.
I really loved the advice to MEDITATE after listening to subs to give them time to sink in and especially to listen to what’s going on. That is awesome advice.
I have noticed also that if I meditate on my intentions for the sub just before I listen and as I listen, than it really helps my progress with that sub. I think that is incredibly underrated also. I read that in a pro-tips for one of the subs and am a firm believer in it now because of results I’ve personally had.
Again Alex (BTW I’m an Alexander also 
) thank you for the advice and for your testimony. It sincerely helps hearing from someone who’s had great success because of the subs. I wasn’t having any doubts at all but it is incredibly nice to hear about your success. I’m genuinely happy for you.
Cheers Brother,
Alex E.
I think the whole 3 minute thing is very much sub dependent, and based on the density of the script itself. I remember seeing different numbers of minutes quoted in different places during the earlier discussion including 5 and 7 minutes to get the whole script.
My personal preference tends to shift depending on what subs I’m running, the frequency, and the purpose. For example if I’m taking a new sub for a test drive, more often than not, I’ll run a full loop of it up front rather than ramping up to the 15 minutes, to get a better appreciation for the “feel” of the sub. Some subs I tend to run for almost half loops or more before moving on to the next one, while others especially when stacking I’ll go as low as a minute 30, but usually 3min or 3 min 30.
The fact that when you went beyond 3 minutes you had massive recon suggests that 3 mins didn’t have the whole script, only enough to accomplish what you wanted it to. I remember @William had similar issues in the earlier days with the sub 1 minute microlooping of WB, and mere seconds could make a huge difference in the recon levels. Recon not occurring below a threshold suggests that above that threshold you’re being exposed to new content that is not yet aligned with your personal zero point.
I think the key here is not to stop dead as soon as an increase creates recon, but to push your limits within the bounds of reason and try to get over that recon hump gradually, and look closely at the nature of the recon so you have a better chance at addressing it.
Edit: to make my point clearer, the advice to ramp up gradually is there, in my opinion, so that people can identify and manage recon in an individualised manner, and choose when to push past it while still retaining the benefits of the earlier script until that time. This is becoming less of an issue with the newer technology, but the goal as far as I understand it would be to be able to reach the reception of the full script / file without recon eventually, even if you choose to later use the microloops as a way of reminding yourself of the whole script once those tracks have been fully laid down in the neural landscape.
Feel free to tell me I’m wrong or whatever, this is just my perspective after years of using the subs.
I believe there is a point just before recon starts, and a point where you get the most out of the sub.
Let’s say when using Sub A, I get recon if I exceed 3m, but I get the most constant & reliable results at 1m. I technically could run it at 3m with no problem, but 1m hits the balance just right for me to get the most out of the sub.
That’s my situation with WB.
Around 15s is the most consistent & impactful for me.
I could run it for more, but the results would get spotty.
The most stark I had was with DRR3.
I could run it for 15m, even 30m (was allowed under the old schedule) with no recon at all.
But I got way better results when I brought it down significantly.
One is the sweetspot with no recon.
One is the sweetspot to get the most out of the sub.
I believe both are valid.
If you want to push yourself, then go for your upper limit.
If you need the stability, predictability and consistency of the lower exposure, then that works too.
Many of us have vouched for one or the other, yet we all got great results.
Both are valid in their own way. It’s just a matter of personal choice, whichever one fits your preference & unique circumstances the most.
could it be just lack of proper integration of the contents of the sub at longer duration?
Like, the thin line at which you don’t have recon but still haven’t mastered the contents of this specific duration, and thus results aren’t as consistent and reliable? (subtler form of recon?)
Going back to my language learning analogy, when I was learning English, there was a period in which I understood most of the content I listened to but still had to concentrate hard enough to do that which made it seem like I don’t get as much enjoyment from the content as I do in my native language. The issue was solved just by practicing more