@AMASH Really looking forward to hearing more about your Ev4 journey.
What was your experience transitioning off of Khan? Has a lot of it stuck with you? Do you feel you have lost any of the Khan since switching?
I would love to hear more about your comparison of Khan vs Ev4 as I haven’t ran Khan yet but have been curious since it’s release!
From the top of my mind:
On Emperor v4 I am much less sexual and have less libido than Khan.
Khan also is more social and happy than Emperor v4.
But with Emperor v4 there is more of a sense of “solidity” and also a deep calm where nothing really is important enough to affect me compared to how important my value and purpose is.
I can 100% vouch for that last statement.
I’m curious as well. I know that Emperor and Khan are completely different subs with completely different goals, but did you feel like you retained some of that Khan programming or was Emperor too dominating of a sub? From my surface level understanding they appear conflicting, but deep down I feel like they could be synergistic. I believe I read that someone on here was combining the two and loved it. I have no experience with Khan so I wouldn’t know.
In my experience, if you listen to a sub from Subliminal Club for more than 60 days, you do not lose any progress.
Even today, I still retain the benefits I received from Primal which I ran for 3 months in 2018.
Right now, I retain all the Khan benefits. However, they are at 30% strengths when I am running Emperor V4, compared to when I was running Khan.
I think there is a myth many people believe and even speak as if it’s true. I can see it in between their words. They think the sub is making them behave a specific way, forgetting that the sub is changing them, and it is the NEW THEM that is doing that behavior.
I think this would be interesting to a few people here. cc @rising @TheBoxingScientist and I look forward to @DarkPhilosopher’s theories on this.
TLDR: The subs when listened to consistently change who you are. It is alchemy. You have changed. It is permanent. The brain does not truly lose any new neural connections you have created. So, switching subs might make some aspects of you stronger since they are actively being reinforced, but the other stuff developed with previous investment in sub listening time is not lost.
Actually, even the negative patterns of behaving and thinking are never gone. What we do is make the positive alternatives so much stronger that they are very easy to do compared to the old negative patterns. This is how reality is: The brain never forgets. Nothing is deleted. You are just growing the “muscles” you want and causing atrophy to the weaknesses you don’t want.
So, any benefits of subs, whether new behaviors, new ways of thinking, additional confidence are never gone. They may become weaker because of misuse, but never gone. And all subclubs subs have even a bit of reinforcement for all other aspects of all other subs, so they won’t really get too weak.
In my case, anything developed with Khan that is not reinforced by Emperor v4 is still there, active, at 30%, ready to return to 100% whenever I choose to return to Khan.
Amazing insights. I’m relatively new to subclub but glad you’re back posting here. Already learning a lot.
Another question just popped up into my head, you said that you don’t truly lose neural connections you create. And that it is more of a game of hypertrophy and atrophy so to speak. Is this case with healing subs and modules (Regen, Rebirth, KhanSt1, New Beginnings) too? Rather than just atrophy and weaken the connections, could they wipe out these pathways completely? My theory is that these subs/modules do something along the lines of reframing and transforming the negative pathways into positive pathways, but I’d like to hear your take. I only have experience with New Beginnings lite in Emperor and not a full-on healing-focused sub.
I view all “healing” through the Buddhist metaphor of starving the hungry dragon.
Whether it is reframing, releasing, meditating, or any other modality, what we are doing is draining the emotional charge that keeps the old pathways strong. Because that change makes them happen even before we can choose an alternative, so we are getting some “reps” in, even before we can control it, keeping those pathways strong.
But when the energy is drained, they don’t have power anymore, and we can charge the positive pathways with energy or at least choose to exercise them so that those muscles grow.
Imagine someone who compulsively is training his neck muscles as soon as he enters the gym. He cannot choose to start with anything else because it is compulsive, OCD, whatever. And those muscles will keep getting stronger because he keeps exercising them, even if he’s not consciously choosing to.
If you can take out that desire to exercise his neck muscles first (take out the emotional charge of the trauma), he can stop exercising them, and work on his biceps or quads. Over the weeks, the neck muscles will atrophy and the other ones will get stronger.
Whether it is reframing, releasing, or “New Beginnings,” those whole gist of healing is taking out the emotional energy that makes the negative behavior compulsive, so the person could choose to not do them without any pain, anxiety or worry. This is what gives them a change to atrophy, and for other things to get worked properly.
Does that makes sense @anon52452268?
How come you’re not using the masked versions?
I like focusing when I work, and the masked noise annoys me over the hours.
Our subconscious is always listening to the audio input around us. And so we’re always being programmed by our environment. The trick is to do this consciously - and that’s where subliminal’s come into play.
A subliminal is simply trying to make a change upon the subconscious through bypassing the conscious mind which would most often deny what it is being told. So yes, you’re changing the way you think by changing your subconscious beliefs. This isn’t changing your identity unless you’re acting upon it. A subliminal can change the way you think, so it changes the way you act but if you don’t take action to accumulate new reference points to change your identity or self-image nothing will be permanent.
So the more action you take on a subliminal to change your outside reality the more the inside reality will shift, and yes this will be permanent unless something outside of you shifts again, whether or not this is going to be positive or negative is up to you.
As within so without, as above so below. Please try to understand this statement, your inner reality reflects on the outside and your outer reality reflects on the inside.
Having the subconscious be congruent with the conscious is key.
Oh I agree!
Why not listen masked on a lower volume and use a binaural beat or focus related track on the forefront?
Sorry, I disagree with this, and I find it to be somewhat of a “victim” thinking.
And I have one concept to make this whole house of cards crumble: The Imposter Syndrome.
Some people have a perfect outside reality where they are respected, get all the results they want, they also have taken the right action, yet they feel they don’t deserve it and they feel like a fraud.
My framework is both more empowering, because it means YOU choose to be the powerful you, rather than someone under the mercy of outside inputs. And it does work successfully for me and my coaching clients.
But if that framework makes you happy, then enjoy it.
Because I do not believe that “More” is “Better”.
I stick to 1 sub. I keep things simple. And I had better results than many people listening to 3 different subs at 300% volume while running binaural beats in the background and mixing 3 different products from 3 different vendors.
I think some people become addicted to tinkering with the process too much that they forget what really matters: Results.
By the way, @Hermit, are you an INTP? 
I agree, we always have the opportunity to empower ourselves and there are many ways to do so. Though I was just stating the facts. A regular person without accomplishments in his or her outer reality is almost always going to feel empty inside. Yet that doesn’t mean a zen monk would feel this way because he has his inner reality under control. But that doesn’t take away from the fact that what we see on the outside affects the inside.
Take everything that I have today away from me and you’ll still see me walking around on the street with a big smile and charisma from here to the ends of the universe. I’m in control of my inner reality and thus also of my outer reality.
I can teach this to anyone and everyone, or one can just use a subliminal to change his inner reality and start building on the outside. But for one with a negatively programmed inner reality to go out and make a change or accomplishment on the outside is near impossible. I can with all honesty and experience tell this is the main reason why the elites of the world have kept the majority of the people in poverty.
I probably just mis-communicated the above statement. If you still think the house of cards has crumbled, I’m open for discussion 
Can someone without an embarrassing, shameful outer reality feel like a king? Sure he can by using different methods; using drugs, using subliminal’s, doing rituals & meditation, sitting in an advanced healing pyramid, and the list goes on…
Can who is a king in outer reality feel shame, guild, anger on the inside? Sure he can, no need to mention any examples do I?
Agreed.
Yet, I have a deep understanding of audio frequencies and I can tell you with all my honesty once more that these won’t affect the efficiency of your subliminal in a negative way.
The main reason that users don’t get the results is because they use different subliminals, don’t they action or they have the shiny object syndrome. It’s either one of those. Binaural beats or solfeggio tones affects you in a rather positive way.
I don’t believe these types can categorize a person unless one is been bound by labels of identity which a person is not, a person is variable and adapts through occurring events in his lifetime.
I have tested for many different characters, INTP was one of them. Why did you think that?
Since I believe in oneness and not separation, I believe we are here One with the elites, therefore we in this community are the elites of the world 
@AMASH are you still listening for as many hours as possible per day and overnight with no breaks?
And I have to agree with one of your statements in another thread about Emperor v4. When I’m at home or working I have no desire to be social, but when life requires me to be it’s as if a switch is turned on.
All is of source, even the negative entities that have been controlling the world but that’s just so that we can experience duality for soul growth and for the sake of experience al together. It can’t always be sunshine and butterflies. Why does it happen that negative emotions come up when healing occurs? You just need to face them again with another mindset so that you can re-frame how you felt in that situation.
I’m going back to work, have a blessed day! 
Yeah that makes sense. That’s a very useful perspective. Explains why addicts who relapse after a a prolonged period of time can crumble. Need to always stay vigilant about abstaining from harmful self-sabotage (porn, etc.).
I listen two days ON, and take one day OFF.
During my ON days, I listen for 15 hours.
No listening during sleep.
I disagree with this. Again, I view it as a victim thinking.
And, when you deal with people at high levels, you’ll find they are not perfect or super talented or very smart.
It is humanly possible to intentionally control the world.
What is happening is just that the whole system, because of human’s desire for instant gratification and greed, that is messed up. No specific people are controlling it.
And so, we all must rise in our success so that we can fix the system and bring goodness to this world with our success. That’s what I am about.
Anyways, I leave you with this quote from the wise @Matt
