Yeah. Same. The first 3 years on here I frenetically sub hopped. I got results, sure, but there also was a lot of chasing fantasies, daydreaming and shiny new object syndrome.
But maybe this phase is just part of the subliminal process.
It could’ve been a much quicker journey. I mean… today: Find your sub to clear out the baggage (be it by reading the copy, using Genesis or just using AoH), go for it for 6-12 months, when you are ready pick a foundational sub for your main goals: Mogul, Primal, UA etc. give it another 6-12 months.
After that you are probably ready to choose your own adventure.
To me those are the fastest acting subs, when running DRR, I struggled for a week or 2, then suddenly the issue dissolved and it was no longer an issue… a week later the same process repeated with another issue.
Sometimes deeply rooted trauma is multilayered and will take longer to fully resolve, but once a layer is gone, its gone. The trick is going all the way until you are free.
Very well written, it’s like you just described my experience with SC so far.
Now that you mentioned it, that’s right.
When i think back about what kind of effects gave me that deep, long lasting effects, the one that dissolve inner obstacles are easily there.
That’s the most notable effect that i still feel from WB to this day.
Yep, once the sub helps you be aware & understand something deeply, it just sticks around.
From my experience, the abilities gained from actively using a sub do wane after i stop using it. Even when my daily routine is in line with the sub’s goals.
But yes, the decay is worse when I don’t do them anymore after i stopped the sub.
This is a big one.
I often do introspections and figure out a lot of things that have become so normal that i forgot it was from a sub.
HeO was one of the worst one in my case since i used it for 12 cycles straight.
After 6 cycles in, I lost the reference point for what was normal before i used HeO.
It felt like HeO was having little impact on me.
Everything felt so normal.
That was until i stopped using it and i slowly saw what i thought as “normal” slowly going away from my life.
A break, a point of contrast, is really useful for this.
I’m planning to use DRR for a long time too. I’ve been using it for 7-8 months total. This sub takes a while to dig deep but I hope it will help future subs effects to stay much longer.
That touches on a fascinating point. Extrapolating a bit it could well mean, that the feeling of nothing changing and everything being just completely normal on a sub can hint at a profound integration, accepting it as (new) normal.
I suspect, that could be, especially with archetypes one is already close aligned to, often cause of the misinterpretation, that nothing is happening on a sub. (Not relating to your experience, just a general thought.)
Looking at the identity and personality development subs continuous shift in perception of oneself and the personal world are IMO a key factor, with listening to subs, taking action, journaling, changes in environment and introspection giving the subconscious “points of proof” for the new personal reality.
Yes, indeed. I am actually agreeing with your excellent point about new/old normal.
That is fascinating to me too, and quite profound.
I was just pointing out that this very phenomenon reveals the protean, malleable nature of the sense of normalcy. Especially when it comes to Identity.
‘Normal’ can shift so much to accommodate new developments in the person and in their world.
For some, the fact that they feel normal despite having grown and changed significantly will be a kind of camouflaging factor that may obscure the changes they’ve experienced. It could cause them to ‘shift the goalposts’ and assert that ‘nothing much has changed’ since ‘I feel pretty much the same as I did before’.
I’ve seen this happen a lot when people are questioning their results.
In that case, it’s good to have some objective metrics as well.
(In short:A person ‘feel weak’ and goes to the gym to work out and also plays a strength-promoting subliminal. 6 weeks later they still ‘feel weak’. But looking at their actual workout reveals that they’ve gone from bench-pressing 125 pounds to benching 215 pounds.)
It might be helpful, sometimes, to consider Identity and Feelings as comprising their own (meaningful and important) domain. Not, in other words, as ‘evidence’ of objective change, but more as a sign of a form of mental wellbeing (for example, Confidence and Self-Acceptance).
A person may be more interested in ‘Feeling Strong’ than in increasing that bench-press amount. And I think there are potentially valid reasons for having that as a goal.
We live simultaneously in an individual world and an interpersonal world. Sometimes the interpersonal social world is governed more by communication and ideas than by physical, objective phenomena. In the social world of interpersonal communication, the dog’s ‘bark’ often matters more than the dog’s ‘bite’.
In the social realm, developments and outcomes are influenced by the confidence of the person’s communication as much as by the realities underlying that communication. The Identity of strength may hold more weight (pun intended) than one’s actual strength.
Not sure if I’ve expressed this clearly.
But, in short, I agree with you. The point just inspired me to make a related observation.
Yep, I only ran EOG once, one month per stage and it’s changed my life and one year later I feel complete changed from it. I do keep EOG4 in a custom though which will be a staple for the year.
I absolutely agree, and for many subs it’s easy to measure. But how do you measure results for behavioural and identity subs like Daredevil, Emperor or Khan objectively?
Another problem is the comprehensiveness and difference in conscious and subconscious focus, looking in the wrong places fo results.
I think that for those programs, I would choose goals, projects, activities, or areas that I have been working on. Places where I’ve either been blocked and challenged or in which I’ve been unable thus far to initiate a whole lot of movement.
This kind of thing can, I think, be tailored to the specific lifestyle and situational contexts of the individual listener.
How am I approaching the initiation of difficult conversations? (Emperor and Khan)
How am I approaching situations that require the setting and enforcement of personal boundaries? (Emperor and Khan)
How am I doing with articulating personal intentions and desires? (Emperor, Khan, Daredevil)
How am I doing with guiding a plan from concept to real-world execution? (Emperor)
Those are just a few generic starting points, but I think that anybody can look through their current lifestyle and behavior patterns and identify salient and relevant areas and situations that arise on a regular basis.
This is similar to the process of personal goal-setting with a Cognitive-Behavioral Therapist or Behavioral Therapist. It takes thought and effort, but it’s not that difficult to create a personally-relevant set of steps that transform an abstract goal or aspiration into a set of tangible, real-world steps. It’s worth the effort.
And equally important is to hold those real-world steps loosely and flexibly. Refining, updating, and pivoting as needed.
I like that! This could develop into something like a personal lackmus test. Writing down typically difficult situation (not the big ones, rather small but recurring stuff as potential indicators for progress) that should be addressed by the sub. This would probably have a bit of a priming effect for the subconscious and would give clear points of reference.
I think that what I’m going to say is what many of you mentioned already when talking about “healing” subs, just phrasing it differently.
The most profound and lifelong internal shifts I’ve experienced came from my realizing critical subjective limitations, and their root, that had used to hinder my growth due to the emotional burden they carried. Upon those realizations, the emotional burden got lifted and the shifts took place.
It didn’t matter how long I ran the sub at all as those profound internal shifts “came to me” upon experiencing ordinary life situations and the sub was “just” the catalyst as it focused my intelligence on “the right elements” of the experience.
For example, I listened to Genesis for two weeks only, yet, somewhere in the middle of the run, I got an insight that made me realize my habitual self-sabotage, “self-crucifying”, stemming from a feeling that I don’t deserve good things. All that happened when I was eating strawberry ice cream, and I realized how much I like strawberries while in the past I would keep telling myself I didn’t like them just because everybody in my family loved them and I though they deserved them whilst I was the one who didn’t, leaving eating them to my siblings.
Since then I’ve enjoyed eating strawberries. However, the fact I do enjoy eating them is only an indication of the profound change that is that I deserve good things. There’s the self-sabotage no more.
I could list tons of shifts of this kind, tons of subjective limitations I overcame upon my realizing the emotional burden they carried and their root. I don’t even remember most of them but what I do remember are those uplifting moments of the realizations that lift me up back to… heaven.
