Hard Gainers Experiences And Insights

Questions and Comments
#1

Hi, i made this thread to check in for some similar experiences from members that might had some hard gains on subs, or on specific titles that didnt work for them somehow but that other titles has worked. or any hard gainers in general

how was your experience with it? and how long have you been running that sub? that you wanted to get results from, but you actually gained very little progress.

how did you overcome the resistance and the hard gains?

my experiences so far with subs like StarkQ and RM were wonderful, also LDU had great easy time with them, just within weeks i could see more and more things opening up for me

its that when i prioritized my life and my goals and my purpose, that i made a decision to go for Emperor

cause stark was all fun and stuff, but my life has a meaning, and i have to chase that meaning everyday. so Emperor clearly will help with that, the sales page is awesome id say

but my experience and journey so far hasnt been great with Emperor, the reports back from Emperor are usually great from people they become more productive . things change in their life and they pretty much notice it clearly without trying so hard to link to subs. like i do sometimes.

its been 3 months and something since i started emperor and to be honest im not happy about how its going but hey im excited that things will turn for the better

, im at the end of a washout right now, im ending it tomorrow .

important question i wanna ask:

for the hard gainers or any that had problems with sub results, how much time did it take to overcome it? and see wonderful results? what were the titles that you had problems with and what were the ones that was very easy for you to see results from

and experiences or posts are appreciated ! : D
thanks

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#2

Also im thinking of another option is just ditch emperor hahahaha and get red of this headache and hardgain

And return back to starkQ (im watching JRE podcast with elon musk thats why i got pumped, but i have no intention of innovation like elon musk is, im just into the dedication and the determination of innovation not the invocation itself,)

, cause i read here somewhere that Elon musk’s stack would be stark and QL maybe, and believe me if i was as productive as elon musk, i would reach my goals lol

But its still an option, but i dont remember that i was productive on stark :face_with_monocle:

So still lots of options and ways that i wanna solve my problem,

Also starks confidence is just amazing damn, it was so liberating.

Hahahah im missing it, anyways just expressing here

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#3

I don’t know about your journey but whenever I feel stuck I read this comment of @Fire 's

Maybe you find it useful.

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#4

You need to consider exactly WHY you chose Emp and what exactly you hoped to achieve from it.

Unfortunately the sales copy for Emp is, quite frankly, not useful for someone like me who would much prefer full details of the script simply because thats what I’m like, very much a INTJ. Now clearly this is not going to happen for the obvious reasons so Saint has to resort to sales copy. And the problem with sales copy is that it is a word salad designed to appeal to all the various emotive and non purely logical people out there and as such it can be taken to have a number of different meanings.

So, how well do you know yourself and how reflective are you.

Not particularly I would guess and a lot of that will be due to your age and lets be honest Saudi culture hardly helps either does it.

You will then need to parse the sales copy. Good luck with that.

After all this you will then be able to much better consider if Emp is indeed the sub for you.

Then you will seriously need to try and embody what you want to achieve. By this I mean that, if for example, you want to build your leadership ability you need to actually start giving other people orders. Are you actually able to do something like this? Or does your current situation prelude giving orders like this because you are still at school or whatever.

After all this if you decide to continue to run Emp then be prepared to give it a couple of years.

Or OTOH simply switch to Stark or something else which would appear to be more in tune with your character and personality.

Remember, we are all different and the same sub will work differently on any two individuals.

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#5

My main insight would be this:

In view of what we know about how subconscious processes operate (i.e., they respond to and amplify the symbolic content that we internalize), don’t label yourself as a hardgainer.

Instead just try to understand your process and what you need at this time; place your subliminals strategically; and emphasize your real-world actions and growth processes. Try as much as possible to remove ‘depending on miracles’ from your core approach. Ironically, that’s when miracles come.

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#6

When it comes to subliminal products i feel the biggest blockers can be your environment. If the environment is against you then it makes it much much harder for the subs to bring about the changes.

An example could be a guy who lives with overprotective parents. The parents never allowing the son or daughter to make his own decisions.

A child that still lives at home and doesnt have the freedom do what he wants because of parental restrictions at home.

If you were running seduction subliminal the blocker could be that you live in a small town and there are very few women available for dating.

I am not saying that the above examples are your blockers but you might want to have a rethink of what exactly is preventing the results you want from manifesting.

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#7

I wonder to what extent ZP can deal with this.

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#8

That’s a good point. @Budewr may really benefit from the new build.

#9

hey man thank you for the post and mentioning it, loved it,

especially the part where he says about looking at it from top view rather than a narrow view,

which opens up new perception of possablites

like for example if i want easy way out with StarkQ lets say, which had me blown away with its results i can go back to it

but looking from top and viewing what is happening with my progress with Emperor tells me something that my higher self would say, that stick to it,

its stirring some stuff up for a reason and its probably taking more time the usual and regular people, cause it has to do with you. and your childhood , the more resistance that tells me something

so i really appreciate the post

and thanks to you too @Fire

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#10

my main purpose and goal for emperor was to build a more solid version of me

who would never mind discomfort, who would never mind working for 8-10 hours a day on his goals and never be on that endless loop of chasing cheap desires such as porn, or watching tv shows or movies for a quick fix rather than working on my priorities which is the most important

movies and games and shows, have their time of the week life is about fun too, but my main goal is to be great

to be more disciplined, and not give a shit about my desires like wanting to smoke cigs from time to time

or to drink soft drinks, or anything that gives a quick fix, which is not HEALTHY at all.

to never do things that dont serve me in this life, such as wasting time on social media, smoking or whatever that doesnt add any value in my life,

to have more confidence and social calmness and not have this fear of talking in front of people or when im expressing myself

to have this strong determination and ambition to never put anything over my priorities in life , and just to do the work even if it gets hard sometimes

to be the master of my own reality and that everything works with me and not against me and clashes with me, when i try to build a habit for example i get a push from my submind, when i try to escape my work my submind tells me yo yo yo you cant do that,

i am the master of my own reality, but sometimes it feels i need some help from my submind, i dont like when it works against me and on things that i really want to improve in my life

other than that im not very much interested in leadership or anything, thats my sole purpose of emperor, also im into the sexual aspect of it, to build it and to use it when ready when i get into a serious relationship.

#11

hey man thanks,

yeah im not labeling myself as an identity but more of realizing that theres a problem happening and i want to solve it, so i thought a title like this would help to bring people that had issues to comment on their journey as well, :smiley:

i agree, id say when i first started i was depending on subs to push me and waiting for the feeling of it to come so i could act on it, but i deleted that mentality, i wont lie sometimes i get into that mindset of wanting the sub to work ,and push even more but i dont blame myself its the reason why i bought a subliminal product in the first place to help me through my journey and not just fighting through this resistance and blockages alone

but i agree the healthies most amazing approach is to think like you never listened to subs and to have a work ethic like youre alone, but also to observe

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#12

yeah @SaintSovereign mentioned on a post about “Hard gainers” that had problems with previous gains and that ZP is giving them wonderful results

so im excited :smiley:

but emperor might take a long time, unless its on @Fire 's list of previews

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#13

Have you ever considered a custom emperor ? it would definitely give you more of a push.

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#14

Bro the script of emperor is extremely hard to align to if it’s far from your reality, it’ll get you there gruellingly unless you put a firm foundation first. Did you try ascension ?

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#16

I considered it, but i thought if im not getting great results on regular Q store, custom wouldnt do it, and i would waste my money if its not working already like i wanted it to be

#17

No i did not, i thought i would go straight to emperor rather than ascension cause emperor has ascension. And i dont want to buy 2 different titles that has similar goals

I wouldnt say its super far away from my own reality, but it needs work. I would be lying if i said i dont

#18

Hey read your comment before you deleted it

The way i see the subconscious is definitely not the way you view it,

i am still putting theories on how it works.
But I believe its a tool to feed it and make it grow seeds whatever seeds you want to,

If i want the seeds of discipline and the drive and the confidence i can choose to emperor, im still not with the way of viewing it that the sub isnt for you just because its the way it is

But more of, i want this thing in my life and those aspects, then i choose this product to help me with my life and what i need and what i dont.

My weak points i put them on paper i see what targets them and what will be my first option

Then choose,

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#19

Why you have great results with those subs are the answer to why you don’t have results from emperor

With RM
You work with

  • Emotions
    *Expression
    *Crafts
    With stark
  • Intelligence
  • Socialising
    LDU
  • Working on your beliefs

Between you and those above goals are 3 steps at maximum

For example (writing to express yourself/talking to people / calling friends and family / learning any material / limit destroyer works directly to your beliefs at the moment you play the sub.

Contrary to emperor between you and the goals are at least 20 step

Do you have a business ?! How do you earn money ?! Can you expand this (physically) ?! Did you go to places where you can F*** the women’s you like ?! Are you independent ?! Do you have relationship with womens ?! What places you can go to have the experience of emeror?! Did you go there?! Are you working on a team ?!

(Those questions just to realise that you are not on the place to help you achieve emperor goals)

It’s called in short “paths to manifestation” "paths to manifestation"

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#20

thank you @sid my friend

but im sure, Emperor isnt purely about sex and business,

i do not own a business, but im soon going to get into stocks and passive investing,

i have no interest what so ever to fuck random strangers hahah, maybe get into a relationship yes sure ! :smiley:

i go to usual book discussions to discus ideas, and listen to others perspectives on philosophical subjects which is very interesting to me

i have no intreset in leadership at all and working with a team,

as for my pure humble understanding, i dont think emperor is just for that, women and the business aspect

im entirely most interested on the internal side of emperor that focuses on you willpower , confidence , chasing your dreams, self discipline, controlling my own reality and controlling my desires and saying no to stuff not serving me

hahahha yes, i kinda agree, im more closer and aligned with those than emperor, i love socializing and expression of art and everything to do with art

matter of fact, what makes me enjoy life is basically art, and purpose is about the creation and expressing of it

but art requires discipline and tremendous work and time investing, which i have a problem with. and i dont think stark will help with that

i struggle personally a lot with the comfort zone and being too lazy and procrastination, its a huge obstacle in my life, and Emperor seemed like a good investment to those weakpoints that i have

so i wrote my weakpoints on paper and voala! Emperor was the most suitable sub

and the other aspects of emperor feels like a bonus, actually im not enggaing to girls or anything related to wealth, but maybe soon

my main focus is internally and fixing my life with my goals. (work ethic)

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#21

Don’t underestimate Ascension or ascended Mogul

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