I also pointed that out.
lol ok so we are on the same page man.
Anyhows let’s see what they’ll make of it.
And if it might change things and make them go over other titles.
I’m sure things will get more effective with time.
Already the newer version are so strong we need to micro loops things.
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Better for his circumstances that is. He’s been upfront that he doesn’t need the pathway manifestation or alignment scirpting. Hence pushing for a compromise through the Wealth Manifestation module which is provably a good solution. Regardless it sounds like they’re in active discussions about it.
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Guys relax lmao.
New RICH is amazing and OG RICH is as well.
Their just made for different circumstances which I already shared to @SaintSovereign with my experiences. I’ve had great results with both.
@heartmadeiron described it perfectly:
I love the OG RICH Style Manifestation because I already have a gold mine of a wealth pathway and I just want to maximize as much as possible but NEW RICH is great as well from a foundation standpoint if you’re starting out or don’t have a pathway where you want to make money then it’s good sub to use.
As I mentioned previously, personally I don’t need the foundation, etc because I’ve developed and done the work for years before NEW RICH came out. Saint has seen the tons of PM and screenshots I sent him from how I went from 12k in debt to making 200k per year to the other countless results and development I’ve had in terms of wealth so for someone like me I would rather have pure manifestations hence why I talked about the title or module being something great to have.
But if you’re starting out or don’t know have a pathway to wealth then I’d 100% recommend NEW RICH. I know my pathway, I love it and it’s genuinely my current purpose and I love the work so much that it doesn’t feel like work hence why my experience in different and is what I shared to Saint too.
For a lack of a better example lol, it’s like comparing Synergy: Perfection Manifestation to New WANTED. One is pure manifestations whereas the other one is manifestations + a lot of development to become Wanted. If you run just the manifestation module, you won’t go that far most of the time because a) you either won’t take much action or b) you haven’t had a lot of development in terms of being able to accept those manifestations hence Wanted is better to start of with than just using a manifestation module but if you’re someone like Invictus, Friday, etc who’ve developed so much skills, actions and experiences in those areas than you may have more results just running Synergy: Perfection Manifestation if manifestations is all you care about.
Anyway hope you all enjoyed my novel level post. I’m going to go back to getting stuff done haha.
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Let me clarify this for everyone once and for all, because this is becoming tiresome.
@Plutus is not saying that something is wrong with R.I.C.H. or it needs an update. His idea is being co-opted and distorted. What he is suggesting is a module or title for individuals like himself (and others) who have very clear and stable pathways of manifestation. He is not challenging the concept of pathways of manifestation – and neither should anyone, because it’s such a simple concept that to go against it is to go against common sense. Not to mention, stable pathways of manifestation was a concept in the OG R.I.C.H., we simply emphasized it to make R.I.C.H. more versatile.
The evidence for his argument proves my point – his results are almost solely through boosts in his sales career. And I have to say, seeing his evidence has given me a newfound respect for him, because based upon what I’m seeing, this man busts his ass for his career. If anything, he has proven that having manifestation scripting + a stable pathway of manifestation = incredible results.
If that is the case, why should I remove the very thing that has helped with his success and others? Now, let me make myself clear on this. We shared that tidbit because people like to hear the “behind the scenes” stuff, but if that keeps being distorted, we will no longer share.
The idea he is proposing is sound – for individuals who already have a strong, stable pathway of manifestation, can we release a wealth title or module where the basic to intermediate things are left out so that it can focus solely on the wealth manifestation concept. That is a fair argument and a potential legitimate hole in the Subliminal Club library.
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Honestly, just stop responding and explaining yourself in cases like this.
Saying this because I’m seeing more and more for myself how people who can’t even be bothered to see the bigger picture end up thinking that me trying to be perfect (and perfectly fair to everyone) means their opinion entitles them to anything.
Just keep making dope products, there are enough of us who appreciate it.
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Yes exactly that I use subliminal club years ago and I said and I will keep say it transformed my life to a degree I myself didn’t imagine years back. To the point that I know that I have unfair advantage using subliminal club 
I have already well established 3 branches in my city that sell products plus my online page … I will buy any subliminal that focuses solely on wealth manifestation. … My online is 24 hours and the shops open daily from 9 o’clock to 12 pm .
When I play new emperor I know I will make sales next day . And happenes with rich for sure all rich updates there was manifestation. Can’t deny that but if there is something solely for that I will have it immediately.
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@Benny – I deleted that post, because quite frankly, I have no obligation to entertain or respond, but I am going to anyway.
Nonsense. This is our forum, and sometimes we have to come in and moderate more severely, and nothing is going to change that. This has nothing to do with “fear,” and more with facts.
You took @Plutus’s idea and distorted it into alleging that he implied that something was “wrong” with R.I.C.H. @Plutus himself clarified that wasn’t what he meant and clearly laid out what he did mean.
Ever since C&C, a number of you have gone into essentially EVERY new title – including Emperor: REFORGED and tried to steer public opinion toward this “if the product doesn’t work the way I want immediately, there’s something wrong with it, and SubClub is blaming the customer,” in an attempt to force our hand into changing it into something that is often impossible.
The issue is that anyone can clearly look at those threads and see the mass majority of people enjoying those titles. And with C&C – many of the people who had legitimate concerns have come back and mentioned that they understand how to properly use it. Khan Black was having the exact same issue yesterday. People having great results, great conversation and suddenly here we go with this “unnamed people claimed the old version was unbalanced.” Such a vague claim. I can always tell when this is occurring, because the claims are never definitive, there’s nothing for anyone to directly check against, just this vague claim that seems to exist just to provoke a sort of undefined fear within the customers that their product is not up to part.
When it comes to this idea of a wealth title for those who have establishes careers, WE reached out to @Plutus privately, not vice versa, asking him to pitch his idea with evidence, since him doing it publicly led exactly to what’s happening today – his idea being distorted into a subtle attack: “There’s something ‘wrong’ with R.I.C.H.”
Speaking of which, let’s look at the three claims that occurred recently.
- Claim #1: "Several people say OG Khan Black was ‘unbalanced.’
- Claim #2: “I’m starting to question whether the ‘old versions’ were better because Plutus gave screenshots.”
- Claim 3 – @Plutus 's actual idea: “Given the fact that many of us have excelled in our businesses and careers that we don’t need a title with scripting to help stabilize pathways, or help build the business, we want to scale through manifestation.”
If an individual cannot look at these three claims and understand why we are rejecting two of them and accepting one – you do not need to be commenting on our titles. Two of these claims have little merit. The other claim obviously does.
@Hoppa was another one, who years ago mentioned an EoG style title for business owners and careerists who are already successful. When @Plutus started mentioning it, we realized that we have grown to the point where we may need this type of title.
Emperor: REFORGED came directly from the C&C issue – people asking for a more social, warmer version of Emperor that still led to the same result. And we did it.
PEACE was only released because someone mentioned the concept of Wu Wei on an idea thread, and even though I was opposed to releasing it, I allowed public comment and was convinced.
So, spare us the “we don’t listen” concept, or “we’re blaming the customers,” because I can name a ton of titles, modules and more that came directly from criticism and feedback. What we do NOT allow is subtle pressure and when called out, the individuals suddenly are a “victim.”
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Wanted. Dream. Boy. Whole title emerged out of feedback for an alternative to the ‘man of mysteries’ archetype.
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Nectar (I asked for that one!)
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Respect.
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I felt kind of responsible cause it was my post (or the missinterpretation of it) what opened the door for those claims, so I clarified that I meant something completely different and my words should not be interpreted in that way. Hopefully there was no confusion.
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No need for concern. As I stated in the post above, all are welcome to comment – they do lead to more interesting titles and concepts.
Let us not forget, originally we weren’t going to allow SubClub Elites discounts for customs. It was @friday who provided constructive criticism and made a fair argument that we ultimately agreed with.
That’s what we are looking for – fairness. Be able to defend your idea or criticism with facts, because we are going to press you. We press each other, Legal & Ethics presses us. That is our method of refining anything. If an idea cannot be pressed or challenged, it is not an idea that can stand the test of time. That is what we do. It has led to incredible breakthroughs and subsequent titles. We will not change that methodology any time soon.
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New Heartsong surely is one of the best examples of that. A community working together to create an awesome product and the producers really listening and taking in what resonates. Not out of ego, but out of the genuine desire to create something spectacular.
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I’m sure Final Stand and Finding your Voice were created because of my experiences in being a staff member at a volatile gambling branch with an angry, sometimes verbally violent customer base. I had no way of standing up for myself and the company insists that I took it all in without question (after all they feed the machines…)
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Yeah. From a business point of view it was not the time for that title back then. I can definitely respect that. And to be honest, I could not communicate what I wanted back then properly anyway.
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Years ago, I pitched the idea that became Lineage: Mandate Eternal.
That was a sub that I needed then, and it became reality. That doesn’t mean that Sub Club will do everything their customers ask, but they DO listen.
How do you think we got a version of ASBR without the fame scripting? Some people loved the sub but they were not very comfortable with the fame component in it. @SaintSovereign made it happen.
They even gave us the option of having a name-embedded QTKS custom with two cores instead of just one core and one module, because people kept on asking for it.
Soooo… now they don’t listen? 
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To help add to what I was talking about. Hopefully it helps clarify some things.
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At least I achieved something in life 
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bro has the audacity to say that after all his crazy reviews 🥲
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