If this is the route CC multi stage should have been the move from the beginning. There’s no need to dwell on the past, I think moving forward a title like HoM if it has many features like CC It’ll be best to make it a multi stage so the ones who aren’t getting the results they want due to not being ready yet, will benefit as well.
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I will try my own experiments in the background when I have more time.
Including trying to make ECC work for me and other combinations…
Until then I’m using RICH.
I’ll have to give ECC ago again at some point.
And to try something interesting as well.
I agree with this example/description of the social differences between them and might just be a personal preference/need. (this also ties into your comment below about you being overly social).
In Big 5 I rank low in agreeableness. I’m seen as intense, bordering on rude. I don’t need Emperor, CC or any of the other titles to draw boundaries (I’m not saying anyone here does, just highlighting my own personality). In contrast to your overly social I’m at at 50-60% extraversion while most of my time is spent alone. So when I go out, I want to enjoy people and still work toward opportunities, something that the social grace that HoM and a couple others brought about. CC instead had me focusing more on withdrawing/filtering, and working to the point where I more or less end up a hermit. When I am out and about, I am noticeably distant and dismissive to a degree that’s unnecessary and counterproductive. Instead of not letting in salespersons, it’s about not engaging with acquaintances, neighbours, friends/family. When I say engaging I’m barely tolerating a 2min chitchat. I am already like this. Barely pulling it off without coming off as rude. There HoM was a nice buffer and even opened opportunities. CC was not a buffer and heightened my desire to filter people. That’s not inherently bad, but it is counterproductive for my version of (extreme) personality quirks.
Different strokes for different folks, doesn’t have to be about the sub, but what each group/individual needs comparative to what the sub brings out. HoM brought out that social grace in me, CC doesn’t. Nowhere does this mean that CC is bad. It’s not. I’ll disagree with anyone who blames it on ZPU.
I do miss that social grace, and I feel that in an wealth oriented title based (originally) on influential dynasties building their wealth and power on relationships and reputation - allowing more social grace isn’t a bad idea. If that needs to be a new title, sure.
I’ll see if I can scribble together suggestions on a title like this a coherent manner, or add them to Azriel’s thread when I find the time.
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Well said
There are already things in motion. For now, this situation needs to move off the main thread. These threads are for discussing results.
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Could you create a thread for people that want to give suggestions about this idea ?
No.
Someone from the community has to do so in the Roadmap section. I have made my position very clear on this C&C debacle, and I see no need for this “Social Emperor.” In this situation, I am not trying to convince the community, those who want to see this must convince us.
Emperor was the title that Subliminal Club made its name upon, and what drew people to Emperor was its intensity, its ability to drive you forward, the sense of inner dominance and seeing it expressed outwardly. It was never known for being social, the complaint was that it would drive a person away from being social – focused on building their empires instead. The intensity, the focus, the drive, the will – that IS the draw of the Emperor line. The very things being complained about are the very things that makes Emperor the King of Alpha Titles.
So, no. Someone has to convince us of the community need for this softer and warmer, social Emperor title. Convince us why we should dedicate an entire SKU to this, when one could simply stack C&C with something to give it warmth.
Softer Emperor is madness to me. Daredevil has high alpha scripting, rapport, warmth, etc. Why not just use that?
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This explains so much of what’s happening. 
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Any new C&C results in regards to sales?
News regarding the future of C&C:
We have decided that later this year, we are going to create a four stage variant of Crown & Capital. This is a unique situation that we are willing to explore. First, if you’ve already purchased Crown & Capital, no worries – you will have access to both versions at no cost. The single stage version will always be maintained, will always receive updates and support. If you’re enjoying this version, you will continue to do so.
Second, this four stage variant will have the same feature set as the single stage, just spread out across four stages. The goal here is to increase the value of the product to customers who have already purchased it and those considering it for the future.
Realistically, C&C probably should’ve always been a four stager, but we were trying to avoid disrupting the customer experience too much. I think I actually posted a poll about this / discussed this before, but ultimately went with the single stage version. That was our mistake, since we clearly intuited that this title may be too difficult for some to run based off the features that were requested. And for the reasons I’ve already stated on the C&C thread, we are unwilling to modify the single stage to make it “softer,” since that’s not the draw of the Emperor line.
Regardless – the title’s high goals lends itself to the four stage format very well.
The first stage will focus on the “Aristocratic” side of C&C. This will attempt (note, attempt – it will not feel the same, as ZPU has a different feel than ZPv1) to help you develop networks through a warmer (note, not weak – still EMPEROR) regal, refined persona capable of more connection. It will also have a focus on successful negotiation. This stage in particular should appeal to those who enjoyed the original HoM.
The rest of the stages will work with the rest of the C&C themes. While the entire structure hasn’t been decided upon yet, expect the first two stages to work with the “Crown,” and the other two stages to work with the “Capital.” This will follow the new four stage format, meaning they are not sequential. You will be free to use whichever stage you want, and you will be able to stack the four stage version with the single stage.
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Great decision, especially regarding the first stage. Some really enjoyed that stage such as @Plutus @Azriel and @Jouissance.
But one question I have regarding the major titles’ updates, if the number of store titles reach to a point where updating them and releasing new product in the same time period takes very long for each of them to get updated, like maybe decade(s), do you have any plan for that, not that I need to know, just bringing this into your awareness.
And honestly with the amount of work and value you provide, I think 35$ is not much for a store title. I think there can be a minor charge like 5-10$ or a percentage of the products’ price if the owner wants to receive the update, and I really think you deserve it. Although these are digital products and there could bequite good revenue from customs and QTKS, but you know best 
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Of course. 
But, those are internal processes that we are not willing to discuss.
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Glad you’ve taken care of it
@SaintSovereign : By the time you drop that 4 stager, I would have 8 to 10 months of this the single stage under my belt. What would I gain if I switch to the 4 stager?
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If you’re handling C&C well (which it appears that you are), the main benefit would be to laser focus on specific features for enhancement. Remember, the four stager is essentially 1:1 in feature set. It’s just split across multiple stages, allowing you to deepen certain elements. Or, if you are happy with the single stage, continue running that. Nothing will be lost.
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The 4 stager vs EoG. Would EoG still be the wealth boss?
Nothing changes about the nature of C&C. It will still depend on your goals. The four stager will still have the same goal – the creation of a legacy income structure with the potential to outlive you. It is simply more spread out, given that the topic itself can be quite difficult to grapple with, given the goal.
If that’s the type of wealth you want to generate, C&C is king. EoG can achieve the same thing, but the script is oriented more at generalized wealth, business and career development.
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@SaintSovereign would you say it’d be a good way to avoid recon from certain features in the scripting too?
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Yes, but if you want to achieve C&C’s high goals, you’ll have to confront those features eventually.
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Very cool.
Would this mean if I want to focus on a single aspect of the 4 stages IE the aristocrat aspect of stage 1 I could stack it with the current version and get extra focus on that aspect?
Loving C&C having great results with it but I can definitely understand why some would thing its very broad and would like more focus on some features.
Is this by any chance a small test of some aspects of Q pro?? 