Feeling heavy deep into a washout

[Viktor]

Could the truth be somewhere in between?

Maybe people outside of the forum do experience overload to some degree, but since they lack awareness of the phenomenon, they just brush it off. Over time, they adapted to it and it stopped being a problem.

Consequently in the forum; on one hand, they become aware of it and how it affects them, leading to them modifying their surroundings to accommodate for it. On the other, they start to miscontribute things as overload/being too concerned about it. Similar to how we often see things get overblown/misattributed to recon from subs.

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Or is it simply just doesn’t exist?

Maybe it’s just a form of recon all along that we separated into the term “overload”?

Just because it’s a long held belief in the community, doesn’t mean it’s true/even real after all.

[heartmadeiron]

@Viktor

Maybe people outside of the forum do experience overload to some degree, but since they lack awareness of the phenomenon, they just brush it off. Over time, they adapted to it and it stopped being a problem.

Pretty much my experience. I started using subs in March and found the forums so overwhelming that I stuck to the basics (consistency, reflection, action, wash out). I’ve had great results and no serious complications. If I ever felt off or had strange occurrences, I look at the mundane circumstances, addressed them/reflected and moved on.

[TheGreenMan]

@SaintSovereign

It’s a very interesting phenomenon, one that baffled @Fire and myself for awhile. But, it does stand to prove that our strategy of creating a microcosm of society here on the forum and monitoring patterns between this “smaller collective” and the “larger collective,” observing how they mirror each other.

Reading in the forum e.g. very much encourages to look for recon and when you are actively looking for it you will probably find it. (actual recon but also bad moods through bad habits, dehydrations, social, emotional turmoil, hangover, trauma or just simple autosuggestion.)

Misattributing the mood could hinder results, if one would e.g. reduce to minimal exposure because of the other causes or as an evasion tactic. At one point a lot of my recon vanished when I went to a festival and had happy distraction and no time to concentrate on it. (Though the fresh air and the physically exhausting stuff probably also helped.)

It would be interesting to know if people living alone have more recon than the ones living in bigger households.

[Tobyone]

@TheGreenMan

It would be interesting to know if people living alone have more recon than the ones living in bigger households.

Interesting… I used to be a city boy, lived my whole life into my 30’s there. But after 2020 I went cave mode, and now I live a bit off the beat but in another country. I believe a big part of my recon might stem from that I lost almost all social activity over the last 3-4 years, all my own friends bar maybe one I have left but in my old home country. The people I hang out with are not really close friends but just acquaintances and most are a lot older than me because not many young people live out here.

But it has been taxing not having a social circle for a couple of years now, even though during this time I dabbed deep into meditation and a lot of lone time… but also as I’m naturally an introvert… maybe I took it a bit too far lol.

[Tobyone]

@Viktor

The new anti-recon scripting is such a game changer that it can completely flip everything i know from testing & finding what works best for me upside down. I’m very excited for it.

Thanks for sharing. Definitely noticed a big difference and especially on GLM with how it makes me aware of my internal resistance and why. Come to think about it from what I remember early days on GLM, I was far better attuned to exactly this process of being aware and knowing what to do to resolve it…

Maybe that’s why my whole confusion and reason for this whole thread is that I forgot that I had this newfound wisdom, and now I felt a bit down because I’m probably working through some major blockage internally which temporarily clouds this vision I had in the beginning?

[GoldenBird]

@Tobyone

The people I hang out with are not really close friends but just acquaintances and most are a lot older than me because not many young people live out here.

But it has been taxing not having a social circle for a couple of years now, even though during this time I dabbed deep into meditation and a lot of lone time… but also as I’m naturally an introvert… maybe I took it a bit too far lol.

Sorry, could not resist.

Seriously though, you can’t predict the processing speeds we have as individuals, and how things reconcile in your mind. Just recently, I noticed that I was too mechanical about my rest days, and that I, in fact, need more rest days sometimes so that I can function better. I have even had cases before, where I had taken the normal 5 days off, and just as I was about to begin my next cycle, on the 6th day, I was hit with full blown recon.

And the current titles really hit me hard and efficiently at microloops. Looking back, I can’t even believe how I had run multiple titles for 15m each with no build-up a few years ago. And felt less recon at that time. My assumption is that I was actually not even executing well on those titles like Khan before, because I had basically skipped the first 30s by going straight up to 5-15m. Another possibility is that the processing was really stretched out over the week, making me less able to notice it directly. With the current microloops of 30s to 1m on titles like GLM and Wanted, both the processing and the reconciliation and the urging to specific kinds of action are very, very obvious. I really like these newer titles.

[Tobyone]

@GoldenBird

Just recently, I noticed that I was too mechanical about my rest days, and that I, in fact, need more rest days sometimes so that I can function better

Yeah, I used to be that way to years back, but as the technology advanced and the instructions become more fluid I started to just listen to my inner world. If I feel distressed I just skip a day or two usually. Back in the Q days it was listen 10-15 hours a day and it felt more strict that you really needed the exposure time, but ZP changed the game.

@GoldenBird

Sorry, could not resist.

I have read a bit of your journal and I can relate a bit except that I’m native Swedish. my old friends always used to tell me that I was the least Swedish person, and that I often complained about the rigidness of the Swedish culture. But of course I lived in the Capital city which makes it even more stressful and people being more caught up in it.

But just as you have began to notice after reading your progress, this mentality to complain about it actually sets you up for more of it as you expect it everywhere you go. I stopped years back to even entertain that those thought patterns and it helped a lot, but then again there was Corona… lol…

Sweden then became 10X more Swedish in that way, but as I had my own little migrate to a cave period I kind of not experienced too much of it as I was generally not around a lot of people.

[Tobyone]

@Malkuth

So maybe now instead of managing the subliminal, the emphasis shifts more to managing your self?

I’m tending to think like this now.

As always short, precise, and with some humour sprinkled in. Thanks for the reminder

[Skadoosh]

@Tobyone

currently I’m sitting deep into a washout and it feels almost like overload.

Overload means too much information. It will get better as you allow yourself time to process. You can also try things like sitting in quiet, breathing, and fully feeling out your thoughts and emotions - a form of grounding.

Never listen to a subliminal when you’re already processing a lot. Process first, and then listen.

[Malkuth]

@Tobyone

Thanks for the reminder

It was not just a reminder.

I’ve been in a similar space recently to what you’re describing.

So, this is also literally how I’ve been thinking about it lately, in my own experience.

Stay strong and hang tight.

[Tobyone]

@Malkuth

I’ve been in a similar space recently to what you’re describing.

[heartmadeiron]

@Malkuth

So maybe now instead of managing the subliminal, the emphasis shifts more to managing your self?

Makes me wonder if newer folks, like myself, would have an easier time with this since we’ve never experienced the intensive earlier technology and the strategies it took to manage them.

Aside from Accession, I’ve only used titles from season 3-4 seasons (so they have NSE), and a third of my time has involved anti-recon scripting. It’s become second nature to see ‘overload’ as my body asking for better management and giving it. Even panic attacks are easy to manage now.

[SaintSovereign]

@Viktor

Could the truth be somewhere in between?

Maybe people outside of the forum do experience overload to some degree, but since they lack awareness of the phenomenon, they just brush it off. Over time, they adapted to it and it stopped being a problem.

I’m sure there’s people who experience overload, but because they aren’t listening to misinformation and/or fear mongering, they simply work through the issue through action and get good results. And the biggest issue is that people don’t seem to understand that if they alone have an issue with a title, it’s not universal, it very well could be a singular issue with them. Then, they get frustrated that we won’t allow them to whip everyone into a frenzy, when we have much, much, much more of a bird’s eye view of the situation with MUCH MORE data.

[anon15812918]

@SaintSovereign

they simply work through the issue through action and get good results

Are you saying that overload can be resolved through additional action for subliminal goals? Or do you mean actions such as working out, sleep, rest, etc. - all of which naturally aid overload?

[SaintSovereign]

@anon15812918

Are you saying that overload can be resolved through additional action for subliminal goals? Or do you mean actions such as working out, sleep, rest, etc. - all of which naturally aid overload?

Both. Use discernment, obviously. If you’re too tired to work, take a rest day instead. Don’t push the body. But a lot of “overload” is actually “recon where people have scared themselves into making it worse,” and both of those actions can help lift it. That’s really what I’m trying to point out.

[anon15812918]

gotcha, thanks!

[Metamorphosis]

@SaintSovereign

But a lot of “overload” is actually “recon where people have scared themselves into making it worse,”

Well put. There are these weird bouts that happen suddenly when I am not in flow, when negativity just feels like is adding on. It’s like the monkey mind is lose and I’m scaring myself with some illogical thing. Are Sleep, Rest… the only activities, or do you have other activities as well that can alleviate this?

[Tobyone]

Funny how me being a bit reactive ended up sparking a surprisingly insightful discussion thread full of valuable perspectives and genuinely useful information.

[SaintSovereign]

@Tobyone

Funny how me being a bit reactive ended up sparking a surprisingly insightful discussion thread full of valuable perspectives and genuinely useful information.

Here’s where it gets a lil trippy, even for us. What if this thread was an NSE / anti-recon manifestation of yours?

[Tobyone]

@SaintSovereign

Here’s where it gets a lil trippy, even for us. What if this thread was an NSE / anti-recon manifestation of yours?

Haha…