@lrw thats the idea. The recon is forcing me to deal with stuff i didnt even know i needed to deal with. For the most part, its forcing me to deal with pain and accept reality. The end goal is becoming a better person
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The things i have been posting latley might sound extreme and out of charactor, to a certain extent. But this is stuff i usually keep for myself and i have always had doubts about life and everything i know. For me writing here is a form of relese and for future me
As for extreme views. Most people misundertand the extreme for the negative. But life is dual and only through understanding both sides is it possible to embrace the middle.
For example, what i wrote about women is their extreme dark side without judgment. It is what is as real as the night. But just like the night, there is day and light. The reason i dont write about the extreme good is because sociaty is allready overinflating it and shoving it infront of everyones faces meanwhile overinflaiting the negative male side.
Yall need to be comfortable with 2 extreme opposite views. It doesnt have to be in the middle, good or just bad. Thats just lazy thinking and oversimplifying things.
If i didnt love women with the good and bad id be celibate and wouldnt be running attraction subs for so long.
Just like you all know that your own life, time and future is your most important currency. You have also felt that nothing matters and nothing u do makes a difference in the grand scheme of things.
Its by accepting both extreme and opposite views without needing for only 1 to make sense we fully understand and appreciate something. Assuming one only sees the dark side implys you only see one side as well. Because if you saw both you wouldnt assume someone only sees one extreme side.
The Wanted recon is reminding me of the negative side of things i’ve chosen to ignore, because deep down i am a hopeless romantic with a savior complex who sees the best in people. That does not, however, mean i am a sith
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You are INTJ and she INFJ so you are both trying to use inferior Extraverted Sensing on each other.
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Today i chatted up a shy cute girl at a cafeteria with only the intention of being social. I am starting to use fewer words ever since starting wanted. My movements are composed yet not closed or suppressed. My tone is lower and im naturally adding more personality to my voice.
As expected Wanted seems to very compatibly to my personality as i dont need to put in much effort. In my conversation with her, i was taking a backseat letting her open up. She felt uncomfortable the entire time letting lose at few seconds then it felt awkward again. I did feel the awkardness yet i was unfazed. I now realise i was putting enormus pressure on her to talk and fill the silence. Before going my way she asked me for social media. I was suprised and gave it to her…
Few texts back and forth and she tells me that she was very wet when we talked. I dont feel like seeing anyone at the moment so i let her know. However it was exciting to see Wanted in action.
Compared to my old style. Consistent and enduring, this feels like a laid back surgically precise one shot to get the job done.
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Very nice, maybe I have mentioned this before but your journal is probably my top one.
What is your overall stack right now?
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Thanks mate. I’ve been running Wanted, Libertine and ascention chamber once a week.
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I am finally starting to see the power in Wanted but its taking alot out of me. I have used Emperor for over a year which was a solid foundation for my results in success with money and attraction.
However i am only scratching the surface when it comes to these new ZPs. My foundation is outdated.
So for the next 6 months i will be off with Stark and Limitless Executive. I might even use Heartsong as the 3rd ZP after a while. If nothing else, i could use the healing.
Ill be back in 2023. Best of luck to everyone
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How is your Stark so far :)?
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I used it for a while, among bunch of other subliminals untill i’ve decided to settle for Emperor and Rebirth ZP.
The thing is ever since i switched to ZPs its been smooth sailing untill i tipped the jenga tower after trying out the monstrosity and stacking 4 ZPs. That took me down a rabbit hole of short and long term recon that was not being dealt with. It was deep seated recon untill i was forced to face things i thought i over came long time ago.
Its about my inability to accept the past. No matter what i tried it was always short term patch to that issue. Which makes sense in hindsight that something i had for years could never be resolved in days or by few experiances.
Hence Rebirth and Emperor. I will keep using them exclusivly untill i am free. Also i will be using them once a week because i am done overloading my brain for the sake of short term results.
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Did you find that by listening just once a week you have improved results?
No, any results i may or may not have could be a matter of fluctuating. In my case results can only be accuratly gauged in the scope of months. I might have an definitive answor then but i can say for sure that after months of using 3/4 zps two times a week this pace is good
I found this an interesting story. A friend of mine who ran Stark with a seduction program alongside it had a similar experience with a very well known Dj (celebrity) here in Belgium.
I think it’s the nature of the Stark script, the Aura of fame, spotlight which attracts popular and famous people while the Libertine aura made her lust after you…
An interesting story which clearly showcases the interplay of scripts.
Same exact thing happened to my friend!
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Hey @Saiyan4Blue, I just read over your journal and what an amazing journey have you gone through.
I think it was more your transition from Qv2 to ZP which got you out of balance. Zp is a different tech and if you had given it some time getting used to and it’s new approach towards healing and execution you would of rebuild that jenga tower of yours.
I saw you had a lot of healing and reframing going on with Wanted too… it’s such a different approach towards seduction as compared to PS you were taken back to the times were you were rejected (not wanted) in order for you to heal and become the wanted man.
I love this journal and I really loved your description of your seductive conversations on PS Qv2 with those groups of girls
This one here —
Very playful, with deep sexual undertones and just fun, enjoyment in the moment which is exactly the way I’m experiencing it with ZP albeit it manifests in my OWN WAY, the archetype is just the same it’s just that how the humour and playfulness etc manifests is by my own being and character.
I liked yours too, funny and exciting 
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Sup everyone. So i wrote a 4000 words 8 pages long guide explaining everything I know about attraction and love. No I’m not trying to sell anything i wrote it out of boredom and because " I am something of a scientist myself ".
Then I was like " what if i shared it " but its long and I don’t wanna shove it in anyone’s face.
If yall want to read it then get this post 10 likes and ill post it. I kinda outdid myself and put everything i know in the most cold, intj, Machiavellian and politically incorrect way i could. It is, however, relatively broad but i made sure to cover every possibility and provide every explanation from every possible angle i could view. Except for the emotional.
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The intj way, that is how we like it, independent, candid and insightful. Also useful because common weakness of intj is relationships
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Allright then here it is. I am sure it has some holes and that everyone will have one or two contradictory experiances.
Attraction
1 - Background.
Attraction is a vague concept for some and easy for other. For some they have to “do “and for others they just “are “. Those who just “are “are usually superior to those who need to “do” since doing is actively pursuing a goal that they need to achieve. To “Need” something is to do everything in your power, to a certain extent, to achieve that goal. While that works great when it comes to work, moneymaking, projects and achieving goals it is a death sentence when it comes to attraction and relationships. The reason behind this Is both simple in a way that you care for someone and are willing to do the work necessary yet confusing since it rarely gets results. The reason behind this is that personal effort towards someone is usually taken for granted therefore its cheap and unappealing.
There are those who just “do” yet they gain results. Yes, any effort is better than no effort yet this method is vastly inferior to those who just “are”.
However, there are some who naturally just “are” who get little results just like there are those who also just “are” yet have extraordinary results. Well, it all depends on the “are”.
Just being does achieve results when the person has confidence, outcome-indifference and social aptitude that gets interactions that lead to any form of relationship whether in having a social circle, work that requires interactions, a well-made social media account or being able to talk to strangers without inhibition.
However, the person lacks those traits and just “are” he will be getting little to no results since those qualities yield most results. Most people who just “are” and are unsatisfied become a “doer” who gets better results depending on the effort and progress yet they lack the magical touch of someone who just “are” and already possess those qualities.
There is, however, a third type that yields far better results than every other type. It is the person who just “are” and gains little results who fully obtained the qualities of those who just “are” that get results by doing yet staying confident and outcome-indifferent. The reason this type is superior to all is because they have learned to gain by actions what those who just “are”, and get results, have obtained because of nature/nurture/minimal effort.
Attraction is vague because there are billions of people who come from different cultures, backgrounds, costumes and personal histories. What will be discussed here is the universal and most reaching qualities, actions and mentalities that consistently yield the best results long term.
To this we have to go way back in order to gain some perspective and a rough outlook on where it began and how it is today.
2 - Survival of the fittest.
Initial attraction should not be mistaken with investment aka “love “since we don’t choose who we are attracted to neither who we love. People mostly fall in love with their own investment in someone. Attraction, like mentioned earlier, is a reaction and not a choice. Our DNA is only ever concerned in two things. Survival and procreation. For a female to be attracted’ survival means choosing male with power, status and influence with whom she has the highest chance of her survival and procreation. This ensures that her offspring will have their own offspring and so on thus “humanity continues “. This also means that choosing the wrong male will significally lessens the odds of her survival and her offspring’s procreation. Natural selection has ensured our survival by having the female respond with attraction to the males with traits mentioned earlier. The slow human evolution means that females will still choose males with said traits instead of males with newer traits that better fit today’s society. What are those traits that signal power, status and influence which has worked for thousands of years?
Confidence: Rational, irrational, short or even long-term signify those traits. If he is confident, he must have some power, status and influence. Bear in mind that the human DNA could care less if the person has those qualities or not. Its thinking couldn’t be more black and white. She could care less about him having power as long as he is signaling that he has it.
Status and Influence: It means that choosing this male will ensure survival for her and the offspring since someone with status is the relatively safest choice since he posses’ resources and can provide protection. Attraction is not about having these things, its about signaling that you do.
The human mind is evolved to determine other people’s confidence, status and influence. Since this is extremely hard to fake it is a relatively proven method which have ensured our survival and is even the reason for our current day existence. In context, this means that a female will be attracted to someone who signals confidence, status and influence even if he possesses none of which over someone who actually does yet is unable to signal it. This is the root of all attraction. Again since it’s so hard to fake the DNA has evolved to follow this formula.
“If he acts like he has power, status and influence with congruence then it must be real. Those things can and will be faked so the DNA will primary trust what it perceives from the male through his communication and mostly sub communication. If the male has many people who listen, follow, obey and care about him. He definitely has it. This is the primary way of knowing if he has it. Since money wasn’t invented until much later then its mainly how the man acts and how people react to him. This explains why flexing money and possessions rarely works. This system fails to consider that a man without or with little of those 3 traits yet signals that he has them. He will gain he full attraction of the man who does and acts it congruently. The female mind will never question this even if the man has little to no friends or resources. He gains full attraction non the less “
3: Understanding modern day attraction
Here we will go over qualities deemed “attractive “and what makes them work
Passion: Having real passion over a cause, mission or a hobby will make the man attractive since he is most confident talking about, thinking about or preforming said passion. It also makes the man stand out triggering the peacock effect.
It’s not his passion but the way it affects him and what he subsequently signals.
Boldness/aggression: A man can only be bold or aggressive if he is strong enough to take on anyone and have yet to lose. This signals the 3 previously mentioned traits. Bear in mind that it makes no difference how strong or undefeated the man actually is. The female attraction responds to signal over the actual result every time provided that the man is fully congruent with the signal.
Social skills: Having social skills means having those 3 traits. “How could someone who with social skills not have any power, status and influence? “Is how the primitive DNA reacting.
The mysterious lone wolf: Despite not being as social, this quality is just as attractive provided he is signaling the same 3 traits. This man is merely signaling the 3 traits through different means. Having friends, power, status and influence is irrelevant when the man is signaling that he has them. Having it does, however, make it vastly easier to come into that role.
Good looks, nice clothes and hygiene: Although what is considered “attractive” by social norms have changed hundreds of times throughout the course of history. What works here is that when a man, for example, is wearing a suit or a work outfit. It signals status and influence which is considered attractive. Bear in mind that this is nothing more than a visual trigger of attraction. If the man in question lacks the ability to signal those 3 traits, he will gain little to no results and the contrast is just as true. For example, two men enter a bar, one is well dressed, smells nice and looks good and the other is wearing old or causal clothes and doesn’t look completely unappealing. The second man will always get most attraction provided that he signals the 3 traits compared to his well-dressed companion who doesn’t.
Height: Being taller than the rest will only ever cause a brief attraction since it signals a healthy body which provides healthy offspring. It will cause no more attraction if the tall man is unable to signal the 3 traits. The shorter man who signals those 3 traits will gain significantly more attraction than the tall man.
Money: Having money means being able to provide resources and protection. It signals the 3 traits by itself which will provide the man with an advantage over those who do not posses as much. It does not, however, cause attraction. Females throughout the centuries have married wealthy men even if they were not signaling the 3 traits females are attracted to. Her DNA will always prioritize survival and procreation whether she is attracted or not. Money is the only tangible advantage a man can have if he lacks the ability to signal the 3 traits second only to the celebrity effect. It might not, however, compete with someone who strongly signal those 3 traits. A female will always be attracted to someone who signals those 3 traits over someone who actually possess them. She might choose the wealthy man over the attractive man but she will be thinking about the attractive man and wish she could be with him instead. The attractive man is chosen for procreation, the wealthy man is chosen for the resources and protection.
Being at the top: Whether winning a big competition, or being number one at a certain activity or sport. Being the best or one of the best in an area which has a big enough audience will trigger attraction since it signals those 3 traits. The best chess player around an audience that loves chess will seem like a king among commoners which yield the “celebrity effect “. “If I see enough people caring about this person, whatever the hell he does, it must mean he possess power, influence and status “says the primitive DNA causing the attraction.
The celebrity effect: This trait is by far the most effective and strongest trait. Men who possess this trait break all the conventional rules and a celebrity is far more attractive than a man with money. A celebrity with money is just as attractive as a celebrity with little money. This effect is so strong, it makes having money null and void.
This is the only trait that gains more attraction than the man who can signal having the 3 traits. “If I see thousands of people liking, talking and thinking about this man. He must possess those 3 traits even if he doesn’t signal it. This is more certain than the man who acts with congruence that he has it. What’s easier to believe, one person or thousands?” says the primitive DNA. A man does not need to be a celebrity to be at the top 10%. But being a celebrity will give you attraction gained only by the top 1%.
Possessions: Having expensive things like a car, house etc. is in the same category as money.
Keep in mind that certain people give certain traits more or less attention. Self-esteem also plays a part in that matter. A famous serial killer is some people’s celebrity whom gets the same attraction. People with huge ego and low self-esteem might favor men with money over attractive men. Since they are choosing the lifestyle, beyond the protection and survival part. People with broken hearts and minds favor other people who might give them the treatment they hate yet deep down believe they deserve. Oddities exist and there will never be a one shoe fit all. An example would be where an already rich or in the upper-class female might choose the eccentric artist over the rich man and so on.
Remember that we are only talking about attraction. Having high attraction does make getting sex easier but never guarantees it. Two men who have high attraction, yet one is double as attractive than the other, interact with the same female. She will naturally gravitate towards the one with higher attraction. She will not, however, try to initiate in most cases. If the man with less attraction shows interest and has the ability to get physical, he will if the other man is passive. This is true unless the man with higher attraction is a celebrity and/or she is very invested in him. Sex and relationships are a choice, attraction is not. TLDR – Having higher attraction is good but not always necessary if the goal is to gain results. whether by “being “or “doing”, action is what gets results.
4: Misconceptions about the modern-day attraction
In this area we will cover other traits or things that can cause attraction or love which are wildly misunderstood or misinterpreted.
Romance: Romance does not and have never caused attraction. Females only desire romance from the top 10% of men. If a man who is unattractive for one reason or the other is buying flowers to a woman. She will accept it with reluctance followed by “That’s so sweet, you are so nice “and that is their way of kindly rejecting his advances. Romance does not cause attraction; you have to be already attractive for the romance to be appreciated. Even then it will cause no more attraction and, in some cases, lower the male’s attractiveness. It merely and momentarily appeases the female’s fantasy. Over indulging in romance will seem desperate and needy which is the opposite of confidence. Since the man is overvaluing her, he seems lesser than her. This is perceived as weakness.
Compatibility: Having common interests and similar thinking has nothing to do with attraction just as being opposites. If you are attractive enough the similarities will be appreciated. Not having any similarities makes no difference either. Having opposite personalities will create conflict if there is no attraction. If there is attraction it will create frustration that turns into investment. The level of compatibility on any degree will not cause any more or less attraction. It does, however, cause passionate polarization or calm sense of understanding. Being compatible is good long term, neutral compatibly is just neutral and being opposite compatible will create tension and investment. Provided that both are mature enough and can work together.
Presents and acts of service: Those cause no attraction either. You are attractive or you are not. These depending on too-many-to-mention different variables can create trust and investment. If a woman already likes a man who buys her a gift, she could see him as caring. The gift could also be a constant reminder of him which causes investment. On the other hand, she might find his lack of presents or act of service as frustrating. This could cause her to think about him and how she wishes he was different. She might also try to change him by investing further into him. Everyone will react differently and never in just those two ways.
A good person who likes to help people should never expect their acts to cause attraction. A selfish person who only care about himself should not except to be perceived as unattractive. In some cases, some people might perceive the selfish person as a challenge worth chasing and changing into a good person. To summarize these things does not cause attraction. This could however cause less attraction, more investment or none of which.
Arguments and understanding: Being able to completely relax with someone can be sign of attraction. But it doesn’t necessary cause attraction. Feeling angry, frustrated or on edge with someone can also be a sign of or lack of attraction. It doesn’t necessarily cause attraction either.
Presence and absence: These two factors play of the attraction level and do not cause more attraction by themselves. If an attractive male is mostly absent it could create investment, be it negative or positive. The level of absence and how much investment it generates varies on the people, setting etc. The more precent a male is, on the other hand, can reduce his attractiveness if its on a very high level. If a male is present every day and all the time he is will signal the opposite of attraction. “How could he posses power, status and influence if he is so available? “Thinks the primitive DNA.
Drama: Is the ability to provide negative and positive attachment on a regular basis in an unpredictable manner. While this further intensifies the overall investment. It is not healthy long term.
Love
1: Background.
We have gone through attraction it’s time to talk about love. Love can be divided into 4 categories.
A: Unconditional love is the truest form of love to ever have and give. It is, and will always, be given by parents to their children. Children will never love their parents as much as they love them. They will, however, know it when they have children of their own.
B: Conditional love is what the love between friends and lovers. Yes, love is conditional despite feeling unconditional. This is especially true since emotions play a big part of how the brain labels this love. There are always conditions when it comes to this type of love even if we are not aware of them. If all love is unconditional then everyone should love everything and everyone all the time no matter what. This is certainly not the case.
What causes this type of love? Investment. Nothing more and nothing less. The more you think about someone, appreciate someone, care about someone, hate someone, talk to someone the more investment and care are created. Without attraction this love will only be platonic. The more a person give someone and invest in them, this person “love” that someone. The harder it is to get their love, the deeper you want and invest in them. Research shows that dealing with a breakup, heartbreak or losing a lover shows the same effects on the body as withdrawal symptoms. Which only makes sense, the more someone injects something in the body the more addicted they become. The more a person injects someone in their mind, life and heart the more addicted they become.
This can cause all sorts of interesting things. It certainly explains why in most relationships the person who cares less has the most power meanwhile the other is in a spiral of investing, giving, thinking and feeling.
The best way to make someone fall in love with a person is to get them to invest in them. By giving just the right amount of investment as long as it is a little less than the other person. Since it is not equal, it will eventually cause a vacuum where the one who cares more start thinking and needing the other person to invest as much as them. Therefore, causing even more investment. Being able to give, without investing, will make it seem equal yet will still cause a vacuum which gets the other to invest even if they already believe its equal. A relationship will most likely work, for the majority of people, if the female is the one investing a little more than the male. When it is the other way around, the female will most likely always start losing respect for the man. She might consciously appreciate and care about him yet knowing he is always available and over caring will signal that he lacks or is starting to lack the 3 traits that cause attraction.
So theoretically speaking, for a male, the best way to ensure a healthy, long and a fulfilling relationship to avoid being the one who is investing more. He might be tested or even hated sometimes yet he will always be respected and remain attractive. In an ideal world its 50/50% on both sides yet it’s very rare and requires True Love which will be the third category.
C: True love is a choice. Despite attraction and respect this person will choose to love someone consciously and ensure their happiness. True love is knowing that you are attracted to others yet remain faithful. Its knowing that there will be good and bad days yet you decide to love someone every day. This love is far less conditional than the one before yet its conditional nonetheless. In a relationship this is where to people communicate and work together despite everything. They might lose and gain attraction, have similar or different compatibility and give 50%50 or come to another mutual arrangement.
D: Toxic love is caused by excessive investment or a mental issue. The person experiencing toxic love might feel like they own someone or that they get to treat them however they feel like. It can also cause someone to stalk a person and how this manifest can vary. Note that this love flips to hate or back and forth and that love and hate are two sides of one coin. Both are merely positive and negative investment. Both can be flipped and feed off each other. There are relationships where people flip back and forth between the two states.
An example would be telling someone they are beautiful. To put this into numbers this will cause 10 points of positive investment upon hearing it. It’s nice and appreciated.
However, telling someone that they are ugly will make them feel -100 points. They will think about it and it will eat them on the inside out unless they have high self-esteem. Both positive and negative investment is a side on the coin that is love. The true opposite of love is not hate, but total indifference.
Let’s say that after telling someone they are ugly, quickly say “just kidding you are beautiful “. Sure, they might fuss about it but the person saying that now has 110 positive investment point just by knowing how to flip it back to positive.
The difference between the two states is that:
A: Love can easily turn into hate, but it’s difficult for hate to turn into love.
B: Its far easier to hate than to love. Hate is far more intense and causes lots of negative investment. If the negative investment switch to positive, it will be immensely magnified.
C: Almost all passionate and epic love, positive investment, was low intensity negative investment that turned into positive. Positive investment is appreciated when it can’t be had, if it’s given easily, it’s then considered cheap and will almost certainly be taken for granted.
D: While some might get bored of positive investment, they can never have too much of it. There is, however, a breaking point when it comes to negative investment. For example, excessive cheating, disrespect, lying or abuse. People who are naturally understanding and compassionate are victim of a vicious cycle. Since they are easy to forgive, they will most likely fall in love with toxic people and waste a long time with them. Since hate is so easy to feel and causes intense negative investment. The compassionate partner will easily forgive the toxic partner thus easily turning the negative investment into positive.
How could a healthy person ever make the compassionate partner gain the same investment when its only positive? It is far harder to get gain and is extremely slow compared the otherwise negative investment. This requires maturity that few possess.
In essence, negative investment can cause extreme love when turned positive. This will most likely require that the other person is forgiving or a very good explanation. This explains why people who are dating play games and ignore each other. They are trying to get the other person to invest more in them and by being distant yet the with right amount of investment ready to flip the negative to positive. It’s important to know when this is being used in order to not fall in love for the wrong person. It is equally important for those who are too kind and generous to realize that low intensity negative investment is required from time to time.
Other observations
It is possible to be in love and lack attraction just as the opposite is true. This does not, however, determine what people will do. Only how they fell and react.
A man’s level of attraction is always fluctuating. Having high attraction today can change depending on the man’s actions, behaviors and signals tomorrow.
What men find attractive in women is not always the same things that women find attractive in men. The speed of how each respective attraction fluctuate is not the same either.
Using negative attraction that is later flipped to positive is high risk high reward. It depends on the individual’s level of maturity, self-esteem and boundaries.
While risky, the most passionate relationships have always had drama and negative investment. Especially at the earlier stages. If change occurs later then the overall investment will be positive and is far greater than a drama-free only positive investment. Again, while memorable and deeply impacting, negative investment does have a breaking point unlike positive investment.
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I enjoyed reading this. If you have not read it yet, but I reckon you will enjoy, the book called “Models” by Mark Manson. Thank you for the share 
This is really not that much tbh you should try the NEW ZP REFRESHED versions they are far easier from my experience.
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Yoo thanks for the heads up. Upgrading my current stack asap
Its been a while since i started using Rembirth + Emperor. I will keep using them untill the end of the year then i will be back to posting regularly.
So far i can say with certainty that i have found my center again. I feel just as optimistic and open to the world like i was the first time running Emperor. I also feel so disconnected to so much of my old posts.
I was overwhelmed by the reckless usage of multiple ZPs and it felt like being on edge 24/7. Which is why using reusing a core sub like Emperor is great for anyone feeling lost and out of control.
I have a new fwb that is very compatible to my personality, life and goals. I still go on dates but my perspective is different now. I go to have fun and socialize. I start the dates saying ” lets have fun, be honest and see where it goes ”. While i could have gotten laid, i turned 6/7 dates into friendships. Unless i feel the magic i wont go for it.
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