Exploring Love, Sex and Attraction?! - The Libertine Ultima experiance

Amazing book, I recently read it and it is so good.

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Indeed, I realised that eventually. I have now strategy of combining one “alpha” sub with my Wanted/Libertine custom.

I tried Stark and Ascension briefly, but didn’t experience much. Ascension didn’t produce much for me (though I only ran it for one cycle) and although Stark seemed great in theory (for the similar reasons you mention Daredevil), it seems to lack a more masculine edge…and I realised I need more healing in regard to my masculinity and sexuality, so I started Emperor recently. I thought trying out Primal (I really liked the Primal part of PS!) or GLM, but gone with the broader title of Emperor, even though I don’t want to focus on wealth building for the time-being.

I indeed do. Although I agree PS way is probably more fun and it can get you more results, it needs too much effort in my opinion and my introvert self don’t really like too much approaching random girls.

Anyways, thank you very much for your input and time, much appreciated! :slight_smile:

P.S. On the side note, I do realize now I was more active while listening to PS and motivated as you mention. It seems that Wanted made me a bit lazy as I am not that much outgoing now. I will think about Primal again to balance things out…

I was in this exact situation in one of my previous stacks, where i didnt want to focus on wealth but wanted the alpha aspects of emperor. In my experience it didnt really work though, it felt far to dense when you can only utilize a small part of the sub and i was in constant recon, wanting to switch subs.

It could be that youll have a better experience than i did, but imo it may be a better call to give ascension one more shot, or go with GLM rather than go for emperor.

The alpha subliminals are very broad and tackle many different aspects compared to more specific subliminals. When i started with Emperor, before the QV generation, it was very similar experience, I jumped around subliminals and wanting fast or obvious results. I saw another user who used something else for up to 8 months and his results were staggering. He was the only one who truly committed at that time.

So I did just that and gave a full year to Emperor. I didn’t see much or feel much around that time but in hindsight that was the best decision I’ve made. You guys have ZP tech so you would go much further ahead with less time. Give them at least 3 months… set and forget because those subliminals are foundational and instrumental to the success to almost every sub you will use afterwards.

Think of it as a rite of passage but lets not make a big deal out of it either. And no, nobody is alpha enough to need less than a month to feel " the sub isn’t working for me, or i feel like im done with it ". If I wasn’t too distracted by the attraction subliminals id be doing khan or EOG for the next few years but im not done messing around just yet. Lastly, I know how hard the temptation is when you dont get the results you want at the speed you expected and think " what if that other sub is better? "

For the most part, If you cant get results with what you are using chances are you wont get much from the next one. I really recommend using one alpha sub and one wealth sub for at least one year. You will hate it but your future self will be unable to accept a reality where you chose otherwise. You would be as grateful as dodging a bullet.

Edit: Actions speak louder than words. If you follow my journals closely than you will realize that I don’t just preach I do. I have used Libertine and Primal Seduction in their infant versions until recently where I switched to Wanted. That’s another year+ of commitment and my results speak for themselves.

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I want to talk anout something off topic…

Luck

This started with a thought i’ve been having for the longest. I have a swedish friend, tall, easy on the eyes, memorable name, charismatic and have had a life of luxury yet everything he touches turn to gold.

As for me, i starved most of my childhood in Iraq and lived through wars, civil wars and other catastrophies. I’ve worked hard and obtained a respectable life and achieved many of my goals.

But the contrast makes me very qurious. No, i am not better than him because i worked harder. This guy had an easy and happy life yet still works hard and everything falls so easy in his lap.

No i am not complaining about why things are the way the are. No he did not have many struggles behind the scene. He was and still is a very lucky person. The way he carries himself feels like he have never been through a single traumatic experiance. I have never seen him sad or depressed and hes too honest to hide anything. We are very close and i know his lifestory. There is no real depth.

Its not my conformation bias since thats the last thing i want to believe that i am, like most people who are average in luck compared to him.

I want to actually understand why. Case in point… we play live black jack once a month for 2 years stright on the same table. We start with 20 dollars and do it for fun… thats how we catch up.

while i make a fun profit 30% of the time and lose 70% of the time, he always seems to win 10x his initial invesment. In fact he only ever completly lost his 20 usd 2 times in 2 years. Thats like winning 22 times out of 24.

We both play by the book yet he gets Blackjack, wins sidebets and gets winning streaks to a point its ridiculus. Its not just about blackjack… he has been like this ever since i knew him.

So the ultimate point is… are some people just born naturally lucky. And i dont mean winning the lottery kind of lucky… i mean consistent and infuriating luck which makes ” positive thinking ” and ” hard work ” seem like a joke.

If yall know me i never complain about stuff or life and this is truly not the point. I really am just qurious about why does luck seem far more frequent for someone like him. I know that the harder you work the more lucky you get but i want to know if its possible to achieve it to THAT unfair level.

Could it be that i am fundamentally average lucky for a reason i do not comprehend? Is this really just another thing i have to come to terms with just like my place of birth, childhood, past etc

Why does everyone has to play by the book, drag their ass through the mud while others just skip by… I used to think that people like him are weaker because they have not been through the ringer yet when i look at him he is set for life in evey way.

If everyone is made from the same cloth, how can i accept the anomales like him? Is there anything that could be done to be like that. Where everything is 10 times easier without any real drawbacks? He is the anomaly that breaks the rules in which i need to have complete and blind faith in…

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I think it is luck with path of the least resistance

I have a friend that whenever we go to the casino… 9 times out of 10 he triples what he puts in the slot machine. So baffling.

What mbti is your friend?

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@Satyan4Blue Thank you. This is great advice to know. I have been dealing with my recon as a bad” woe is me” thing . I should let it ride itself out and be an observer. So recon is kinda positive and can be used as reflection and growth? Yes?

@aaa Intj. It seems that you know someone with similar type of luck. For my part i like the world i live in to make sense. By accepting what does and what doesnt, its all in order. But people who legitimatly have it that easy goes against what i learned. So i want to understand it so i can make things make sense again by upgrading the worldview.

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@TheSunlightCaller yeah it is exactly so in my experiance. Lets say you lose 10K dollars or it gets stolen. You cant get it back and you feel the sting… it will only go away after you let it run its course.

Sure thinking positive, accepting reality and methods might speed up the recovery but the sting is unavoidable. Its best to let it do its thing while not personally identifying with it.

Recon is like that but far more persistant because what we are trying to achieve is far harder than overcoming pain of losing 10K. The method of dealing with it is the same, just like many other things in life.

Glad it helped you mate. This is the unseen part of success in any endeavur.

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To me you just have to see the luck you have

I’m the type to be super incredibly lucky but not so much at money games (even tho if I play one even with a small amount I’ll keep winning some money and loosing it for hours without putting more money on the table lol)

We are all lucky in some shape or form we just lack the glasses to see it

People don’t even see it when they’re with me, I don’t look like one and yet I know perfectly those moments where I needed the most luck in my life and got it when it truly matter

You have to look at different things, you can’t just look at the huge luck magnet who seems he has it all look at how many people doesn’t have that

They’re far more common than your exemple
You had the privilege to go through hardship
Yes I did say privilege, not everyone learn those values the way you did you can be proud of that

Can you imagine how someone else could see you for your strength, he might think ‘’ damn this guy has it all no matter what happen he ends up good how lucky’’ and rehash everything you said about your Swedish friend with a few twist

It’ s really the story of the bycicle - bike - car - sport car etc…
Each and everyone has what he has and does it best with it at the end the sport car is only a material things that is faster and more expensive, it’s superficial, not bad just superficial

Like it is superficial to judge others only on their victory

Who can truly says I know him like I know me, can you feel how a complex being you are? Everyone is, it’s just a matter of being conscious or not of that complexity

Plus isn’t it good to have people who are just a beacon of positivness? Like whe don’t need everyone to struggle lol

I’d be glad to have such a friend as an anchor to my endehavior :joy:
I can have all the fun surpassing myself and he be like ‘’ OK bro no prob, you do you I’m here’’

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People are often deeper than they appear to be. We really don’t know the struggles that they’re going through, have gone through, and will go through in the future. You take someone who seems to have it easy out of that environment, and their life can go under. If they have that seed to succeed, they can go through a lot, regain their loses and come out better than before. Ascension Chamber, Fortune’s Favorite, Natural Winner, Current Invoker would be good programs to get those alignments going that appear to be luck on the surface.

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Again this is wise advice. Thanks.

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@Melior thats a great perspective to have. I will be sure to implement it.

@lrw funny enough there is no depth and no complication. Thats what so annoying to accept.

@TheSunlightCaller i am currently experiancing recon from Wanted. Similar to others, it hits the self esteem and magnifyes insecurities. When the emptions are taking over and the mind NEEDs an anchor.

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So the Wanted recon seems to be far more brutal than the 4 Zps i used to run… Just Wanted alone

It feels like everything is pointless, boring and irritating. My mind keeps going to places where i feel like blaming things, people and getting angry. Taking it in is every second is very challenging.

So cheers for everyone in Recon. We in this toghether gentlmen. Itsvery hard to stay motivated in dealing with it as opposed to giving up, so my motivation will be showing you all how its done :smiley:

Aint losing to no one

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Here is another perspective: When you have everything you could ever want, there then needs to be more to life than having your desires, needs, wants, and whims fulfilled and satisfied.

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It’s his turn to be (externally) lucky.

That’s how I see it.

:slight_smile: haha

If someone’s having a good day; let them have a good day.

If someone’s having a good life; let them have a good life.

Especially if they’re not hurting others.

I hope he has great fortune for the entire life. Maybe it just makes me feel good to think that that is possible.

(I’d like it if it were me. But damn it, at least let it be somebody! :joy:)

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I feel the same way. If someone has a good day, gets the girl, wins the lottery etc. That’s good on them. I work on myself to chill on my feelings of resentment or jealousy. What will it get me? I just know in my heart that my day is coming.

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Lmao, bro what? She was acting like that because YOU were being casual in your sexual interest in her.

Women don’t want to feel used. Virginity is coveted for a reason. Because women are biologically programmed to seek out one man and give their all to him.

“I am not above the law, fix someone and i didnt become how i am by letting anyone walk over me.”

How is her returning the favor “walking over you”.
From what I have gathered, you’re just tryna fuck her and dip, how is her showing disdain towards this behavior “bad”? :joy::joy:

Makes no sense to me.

If anything, she’s an excellent woman, she WANTS you to take her seriously so BOTH of you can have something beautiful. Everything she has said or shown have been good signs of a good woman.

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I have no idea where you got the idea that i am a “ smash and dip “ type of person but you are very mistaken. I tell it how it is for anyone i meet. For people i know will be short term i tell them that we should enjoy each others company to whatever extent that may be.

Contrary to what or who you are mistaken me for. I would not spend a second with someone i have no connection with but just because there is a connection it does not mean that they are a serious long term relationship canidate. I do not give my time, emotions or trust for anyone who does not earn it.

In her particular case, i dropped my guard because of how amazing she is i was blinded to the negatives. She is controlling, demanding, extremly insecure and whimsy.

No self respecting man would ever accept that behaviour from anyone. I do not know what your deal is but i am seeing lots personal projection from your part. Which is why i do not take this personally.

Lastly, It would be wise to look deeper into things before making hasty judgments. Shallowness, insecurity and projection is not a good look.

Ps: How does having sex with someone mean you are using them if both parties consent?. Both are giving and receving. This whole “ usung “ mentality is very insecure and outdated in my personal opinion assuming women are so helpless and weak. Thats a sexist thing to say mate

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[Negative stereotyped assumptions removed]

The world doesn’t work like that. You both have to equally put in the work.

Ah no, I don’t know how you got that from what I said, that wasn’t my intention.