Does ZPv2 even work?

Questions and Comments
#1

whats up with these ZPV2 titles? why do none of them work?

I get little to no results on titles with this “upgrade”.

the V1 of every title were so much superior. I could see them before my very eyes.
On V2, i see nothing, i just have to hope that its working. now I am quite convinced they don’t.

Every title I have bought after the update just ends up being just silence.
ROM, IndexGate, Emp: Black all have lacked the edge the ZPv1 subs had.
Also, ZPV2 of titles like Stark aren’t halfway as effective than the almighty stark ZPv1

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#2

For me, ZpV2 is way superior with very little recon and more results. Not really sure what is the issue , perhaps give it more time and try taking more action while developing trust in it.

#3

have the guidlines updated? i was getting incredible results with the routine i had in V1. The same routine with ZPV2 leads to next to no results.

#4

As in you can’t hear them?

#5

as in I can’t hear the results.

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#6

No, as in he is not seeing any results.

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#7

I’d check with support desk then. They’re equipped to look at your routine and see if anything jumps out as an opportunity for improvement

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#8

What exactly are you running
How long are you running your titles for

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#9

Are you sure you aren’t dismissing the results because you are looking for them to much …. Stop chasing them and let them happen

Don’t be so addicted to getting results and just enjoy the process and growth of change

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#10

I can vouch that ZPv2 works

I am running 3 customs that I got last week and am seeing results a bit and way quicker than I expected to start seeing things show up or happen

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#11

I agree with what @Floridianninja said here. This had happened to me a lot. I had results but I didn’t have enough self awareness to notice it.

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#12

Sounds to me like you were getting hit by that harsher recon on ZPv1, and now are getting hit by the subtler aspects of recon.

Recon often means something is being worked on, but that does not mean the process of recon can not be optimized and made more efficient - which is exactly what you are feeling. Why suffer through extreme recon when you can achieve the same results if not more with less recon?

Now that you are not feeling the harsher aspects of recon you are left to contend with the subtler recon of “this doesn’t work”, alongside the usual desire to stop/switch as well as handwaving results.

Classic advice of journaling and taking action holds here, alongside the development of awareness of inner processes if you really want to see deeper.

Not sure if this is what you mean, however feeling things such as energetic phenomena and tingles right away is not the goal - the goal is actual change in your life.

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#13

As far as I know, ZP1 contained alpha and healing components which V2 doesn’t and those components would help people who needed more healing and alpha power get better results related to or stemming from alpha traits and fixing “basic” inner missing links. If your results on V2 are fewer, it may mean that you need to do more essential work. For example, Ascension and Regeneration.

When it comes to noticing the results, a lot of introspection and track8ng is essential.

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#14

Just the way this thread is titled screams recon.

Which means it works, but assuming I don’t know you’re reconned, what an absurd question, what do you think we’re all doing here?

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#15

Like the others are saying, they work. Or at least I can say from my experience that I’ve had good results from Index Gate, which is V2.

I’ve had mixed results though and that is why I kept the old versions of the titles and still run them where I feel I get better results. Some of the titles I found work better as Ultimas or boosters in the short terms than the ZPv2 which works over time to create long term changes (which is why I tend to run Paragon still as the Ultima in the one hour version, and occasionally use the old QV2 to avoid the energy drag of the ZP primer). Also, you may find mixed results with different ZP’s depending on how interested your subconscious mind is in the topic. That’s because of the free will scripting IMO, your mind will be less interested in executing script on a topic if its something that you are not strongly motivated towards. Otherwise its going to take some time to unfold things towards nudging you in that direction.

More than just journalling, I’ve found it helps to have a firm game plan in mind to take steps especially where the sub goal is something more concrete like Stark has. You won’t become an overnight celebrity and billionare playboy philanthropist if you don’t even have any idea of how to get there. The reason I’m journalling my own progress, with IG, other than being of interest to other programmers, is to be able to quantify the degree of changes over a fixed period of time, and compare it to a baseline of previous results before running the program. Plus it helps to state your goals out loud, when they’re not trade secrets, to ensure they are realistic and achievable. As they say in business, SMART goals… not just a nice idea (especially the M for measurable)

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#16

What title played the most part in making you this edgy?

#17

One thing with results is that they’re not always manifest. When the script is well integrated, it has become a part of you and it has become your natural way of being in the world. Therefore, you most likely don’t feel it. I’ll give you an example. These subs made me so self-confident that if you met me in real life, you’d think I have always been this supremely confident. A far cry from the low self esteem, low status person that I was before Sub Club. I could handwave these results and say that I have always been this self-confident, except that I know I was not.

When I purchased HoM, the existing technology was Qv1. I tried to run HoM Qv1 and it sent me straight into recon. I couldn’t do it. I had to shelve that sub until ZP came around. I ran HoM ZP with minimal recon and saw solid results. I won’t even talk about my EOG1 ZP and LBFH ZP results. The only reason I’m putting HoM back on the shelf (for now) is because the Revelation series and Genesis came out.

Now if I didn’t remember the type of person I was before Sub Club, I would probably also say that I’m not seeing results because the results seem so natural. That’s why journaling in the most honest way possible is crucial.

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#18

I love that.

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#19

I agree on this, but also think that we need to differentiate between tiny barely noticeable every-day results and big tangible undeniable results, like manifestations of money, a hot girl approaching you etc.

The big and undeniable results are what essentially giving me the longterm faith to always go on and endure any kind of recon and pains along the process.

Even if all the results, small and big, ultimatively and cumulatively matter in the long term, just from a simple psychological motivational point of view, it is the big results that we are all after, right?

Maybe it is this “people love results but hate the process” thing?

Also what I noticed, is that a lot of the results which are of “social” nature, you can actually only notice and experience when you interact with other people in the first place. Other people are the reference point and so when you have truly changed, your interactions with them will change as well, but you will only notice when actually interacting with them.

PS:
Definitely less recon on ZPv2 compared to ZPv1.
Results wise, I don’t know. It feels like sometimes nothing happens for weeks, then several things happen within a few days. Maybe I need to do more rest days in general?

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#20

The breaking dam effect lol
The progress in fixing missing links + openimg new pathways of manifestation + getting on the higher synergy levels.

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