I wonder if Customs work differently than major titles (slower)

[heartmadeiron]

@Benny

Yeah it’s not my first customs… Before ZPU I had PS and Ge:Mo max out

You’re running two 20 modules and 5 major cores across them. That’d definitely unfold slowly. Support would suggest running the wante/paragon/SP solo.

@TheGreenMan

At least for me ZPU works much quicker.

Im with Green. Mine hit quick

@TheGreenMan

But it is probably not that straightforward

Right again. Something MAkh and I have picked up in is tight, focused customs process much quicker. I also build mine around a single major core that I resonate strongly with.

@Benny

just wondered I feels like customs work slower maybe because it’s ZPU?

Are you giving things time to breathe? Sounds like you were running the parsgon/seduction for a couple weeks before washing out. A recommended ZPU cycle takes a minimum of 2 months.

[Benny]

I’m taking about 7 days of rest lol, so maybe that’s actually too much.

@heartmadeiron

You’re running two 20 modules and 5 major cores across them.

Yeah, as I mentioned, I’ve run pretty dense stacks in the past too. Before ZPU I had PS + Ge:Mo maxed out, Paragon + Paragon Sleep + Diamond, and DRR in the third slot — and still got through all of that lol.

So I was mainly wondering whether ZPU customs themselves tend to unfold differently. From the replies it sounds like there isn’t really a clear consensus, so I guess I’ll just give it more time and see how it develops.

[Floridianninja]

What are you customs? Like all of it

[Switters]

@heartmadeiron

Right again. Something MAkh and I have picked up in is tight, focused customs process much quicker. I also build mine around a single major core that I resonate strongly with.

Same. Have ran customs extensively throughout the years, and never have gotten consistent/fast results with the denser customs. Since switching to 1 core and keeping under 10 modules, they finally started to click. Rather then expanding the custom with entire other cores, highly recommend expanding scope through modules/essence/synergy- for me this solved the “not feeling the archetype” that I also noticed when running multi-core customs/more modules. I also feel it allows you to notice the individual modules more clearly.

[heartmadeiron]

@Benny

So I was mainly wondering whether ZPU customs themselves tend to unfold differently. From the replies it sounds like there isn’t really a clear consensus.

That’s fair, This is uncharted territory and we’re probably a few months out from an official ZPU primer. I threw together some Saint quotes that should shed some light into how ZPU unfolds:

@SaintSovereign

ZPU is highly focused on the customer being able to easily understand their own subconscious processes, bringing them into conscious awareness and being able to act from a place of clarity and inner sovereignty. Hence the “union” part.

@SaintSovereign

So again, knowing yourself is the best way to accelerate results or understand how ZPU works. ZPU is incredibly transparent – you’ll be able to look directly at the copy and understand what features are in play and which features may trigger reconciliation. If someone else is running 15s and getting good results, assume that their life circumstances are different from yours.

@SaintSovereign

Now, Zero Point Union is designed to help you discover this and what you really need for success, and it doesn’t take herculean skill to recognize it. Simply run your titles, offline journal (even if it’s like 2-3 sentences, it doesn’t have to be massive), and engage with yourself. Zero Point Union is about engagement with what YOU want, not others, not the producer. It’s all about you.

tldr, lots of unfolding through self-reflection. If you’re seeing no development’s, time to reflect.

@Layman

Plus, I’ve heard it said that with the latest ZPU custom builds, focus matters more than density/size

I can’t find anything supporting this claim. @TheGreenMan @MAkh hear anything about this?

@Floridianninja

What are you customs? Like all of it

CC + Paragon + WDB/WB

My custom got here few days ago: Paragon Wanted Primal Seducation Synergy: Secrets of Seduction Synergy: Perfection Manifestation Synergy: Beyond Seduction Synergy: Preordained Vitality A/SPS: Eyesight Dopaminergic Revival Elemental Opus Epigenetics & DNA Modulator I.Q. and Cognitive Booster SPS: Integumentary System SPS: Immune System APS: Legs SPS: Skeletal System Stop Porn and Masturbation Dragon Tongue Panther APS: Arms The third slot is EoG2 Listened to eog2 and parago…

CC + Paragon + WDB/WB

Got my custom today Stark + Limitless It’s gonna be great Stark Limitless ESSENCE: Holistic System Optimization Synergy: Divine Dominion Synergy: Winner Overdrive I.Q. and Cognitive Booster Informaticon Zero Fog The Streams The Lazy Genius Stop Porn and Masturbation The Gift of Boundaries RAIKOV Stillmind Inner Voice Financial Success Reality Shifter Fortune’s Favorite Book Blitz Polyglot Positive Being Attractor – Wealth

[TheGreenMan]

@Layman

Plus, I’ve heard it said that with the latest ZPU custom builds, focus matters more than density/size,

IIRC @SaintSovereign mentioned that density is getting less of a problem. But this felt more like a general tendency, not exactly measurable. 3 cores customs are still heavy, still need a lot of time to process, the recon due to the scripting is way less.

Going by the example: If BJs are the goal, IMO Diamond+RotNW is a perfectly focussed combination. WANTED as a 3rd core would mainly add quite some processing time and dilute the focus.

[Benny]

@heartmadeiron

tldr, lots of unfolding through self-reflection. If you’re seeing no development’s, time to reflect.

I feel something internally it’s just different than what I used to feel with the titles from the shop like the customs are different now.
I guess ZPU is digging deep maybe?

[heartmadeiron]

Look at it this way, major titles are a compressive package where every line is intended to support the goals of the sub.

Customs don’t have those guardrails. It’s very easy to dilute a custom by using too many modules that don’t align with your cores and using core with competing interests. You’ve used dense customs before but they were likely better aligned.

[Floridianninja]

Did you just start listening?

I mean I would give it a couple weeks even a month before you judge it

[Benny]

@Floridianninja

Did you just start listening?

Yeah true just 2 weeks

I was more interesting in understanding ZPU and the customs are others are experiencing them

There’s nothing wrong with my customs guys relax.

[heartmadeiron]

@Benny

I was more interesting in understanding ZPU and the customs are others are experiencing them

Between the four of us (Model MAKh, Swamp Thing and Florida-San) I’d say we’re seeing strong, satisfying results. We’re also inward focused, esoteric types. This is in our wheelhouse

[Leandros]

Sometimes deep changes takes longer.

Its Name embedded so it hit deeper but the rewards are pure gold

Try a 60 day circle and see with satisfaction how much has changed

[Benny]

I do feel the cores work it’s just different very subtle that’s why I meant

[MAkh]

@Benny

I was more interesting in understanding ZPU and the customs are others are experiencing them

Mine hit me like a rocket in the first day

I have two customs which are technically zpu-preview (WDB, RICH, Summertime cores)

But they have I think 10 modules total in each

These were built before zpu was made the standard for customs

also, I only run my Summertime + SSX custom at 30s and it is rapid at integration in the short amount of time I’ve run it (2ish months)

[Benny]

Thank you all for the feedback!

What is your listening schedule?

I started to try just once a week maybe it’s too little

Also I wanted to mention that Paragon is working very well I’m working on getting healthier and stronger in every way and also I’ve seen some of Stark for the wealth modules
But not necessarily feeling the archetype of Limitless or Stark or Wanted.

I wanted to mention that maybe the cores of Paragon and Limitless might work first before Wanted and PS as an example

[TheGreenMan]

Both customs every other day, following the microloop schedule. (both 3 minutes today, 5 on Friday)

[heartmadeiron]

@Benny

I started to try just once a week maybe it’s too little

I’m on a MWF split. Amounts to 10-week cycles with 3 listening days and 4 rests days a week.

Edit: MaKh and I run 3 titles every listening day. I’m sticking to micro loops for now. Will adjust my listening schedule once I get past 5 minutes.

@Benny

But not necessarily feeling the archetype of Limitless or Stark or Wanted

I’ve always wondered about this. How do archetypes converge in the same custom? Stark and limitless feel like they’d blend nicely, but how about archetypes with competing interests?

[MAkh]

@Benny

Thank you all for the feedback!

What is your listening schedule?

I do MWF with weekends off now (same as heartmadeiron )

The weekends just accelerate the integration for me

@Benny

I started to try just once a week maybe it’s too little

Maybe, if you’re doing full loops I think that will work

I’ve seen others do it once a week and it been pretty fine for them

[unusualfellow]

Everyone processes differently
I take forever lol
So knowing this- I craft customs carefully
And I play the long game

[Benny]

@unusualfellow

long game

This is why I’ve built custom and going with multi stages this time