That’s fine, that’s part of the journey. Don’t compare yourself to others, it’s not fair. Explore these keywords, reflect on them.
Needy. Sexy.
Let’s ponder them.
Keep going.
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I actually think the proper foundation is going to be built through things outside of romance subs. You need to completely eliminate your fear of loss for any girl you are talking to because you have an abundance of options, and you see yourself more valuable then you see her, and that needs to be maintained throughout the relationship.
This is probably going to entail raising your status as a man, through improving your looks, style, becoming charismatic, and taking control of your finances, as well as doing the shadow work so you can control and self regulate your own emotions.
I believe once your at that point, you have the real-world foundation to get the most out of subs like WB, Khan, or really any of the others. Sure you can fake all that and game girls, but the mask comes off eventually and you’ll end up ruining the relationships that you do have.
That’s why in my opinion, if you don’t feel like your at that place yet where you feel women would obviously desire you, it’s probably higher RoI to run subs that focus on improving your life, self worth, finances, etc before putting your attention on women. Then the romance/dating sub is simply enhancing something that is already there, rather than trying to fill a gap.
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Run Wsnted Dream Boy, my friend. This brand new title is the perfect foundation for success with women by accessing your authentic self.
I didn’t think I would be running this title and even for a person like me who ran the other seduction titles, WDB gave ms a fresh start at life itself like a “favorite cup of coffee/tea in the morning to start your day.”
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Hey @Lion Would you mind to talk about more in depth about this?
Sounds really interesting and encouraging!
Either way, I’m happy for you 
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these two are definitely not low-density titles. Though, not high-dense like Khan or ASBR.
You know that feeling when you are supposed to wake up in the morning feeling refreshed and in a good mood but instead you don’t want to get out of bed? WDB helps me feel much better getting out of bed. I think it has something to do with self-acceptance. When one feels good about oneself, one feels it much easier to face the day.
As if I had coffee even before getting out of bed cause for folks caffeine helps bring a more upbeat mood in the morning.
Was describing that aspect of WDB. You feel good. Almost all the time. Deep authenticity leading to being a genuinely chill person.
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Thanks, that’s great to hear! Sounds really enticing
Also, as you no doubt saw, SaintSovereign mentioned on the WDB thread about putting the ‘relaxed and authentic’ scripting into the upcoming new Genesis: Ascension
I’m actually really happy to see this, as I am already on my 2nd cycle of new Wanted and would prefer to run it long term to let it have its full effect without sub-hopping.
There’s a lot of very appealing things about the WDB script (product copy I mean), especially all the stuff about relaxation, nervous system support, self-love/acceptance and authenticity.
I think most of those things are in new Wanted, but probably not to the high degree to which they are found in WDB or with tech as advanced as that in WDB (upgraded anti-recon and nervous system support, drawn from DR: Regeneration).
But I also LOVE the product copy of new Wanted.
Almost every item in the bullet-pointed list has me going “hell, yes!” 
So I’m quite encouraged that I will hopefully be able to simply run new Wanted along with the upcoming Genesis: Ascension and, through that, get pretty much all the things I most wanted from WDB 
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^Yeah, I’ve been running seduction stacks pretty much since I started and I still think WB is the low key ultimate attraction/seduction sub 
. The aura is just… yeah.
I would suggest a few cycles of New Wanted solo to build a proper foundation then switch to WB. Go ahead and do WDB first as most people have recommended but then consider 2-3+ New Wanted cycles —> WB if you want more.
Again I’m just telling you this as a person who has been running seduction stacks ad nauseam and having attraction/seduction as a main goal in life for the past few years, doing approaches and whatnot like you. It’s the advice I would give myself if I was a noob starting out here @Benny. Like I feel like I’m giving you and whoever reads this the secret: New Wanted —> WB.
As mentioned I felt something started to happen on Khan st4
Because I approach more than want to be chased (don’t get me wrong I’d like to be more attractive anyways)
I thought about running PS throughout a new Khan cycle stages 1-4
Isn’t it smarter?
Still trying to figure things out
Yeah that could probably work, running WDB with Khan would probably be good too, because Khan = motivation for approaching, WDB = making you dreamy/more attractive/memorable etc.
PS is a big title though, running with Khan might be more hefty in recon, but you could always drop it.
I personally haven’t run PS and Khan together.
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I’m running for a month now and I don’t see anything happening I mean I don’t know what it actually does on a practical level
I’m guessing I just need to be patient so that’s why I don’t want to drop it
Khan ST1 could build the foundation with it I guess
Lately I did:
Primal + PS → PS+wdb+Emp
I did that for a while last year it worked well but I want to improve my dating life as well…
The thing is I’m afraid the Wanted titles wouldn’t be in line with me approaching women
If some subconsciously I listen to a message telling me to wait for women to approach me it might not be helpful because approach anxiety is present.
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The idea of Wanted Dream Boy is relaxed authenticity. You’ll be chill and won’t worry much when you approach women or when women approach you.
Am running WDB only for its social benefits and am enjoying it a lot.
In the end, you must choose the titles that you are comfortable with and which resonate with your approach. Good luck!
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Did you go out there and made approaches?
From what I read, it seems PS improve your game, and actions taking is essential when listening to subliminals
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Yes.
I approach a lot
Every week
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This is why I suggest running one title long term: let it cook. Watch the results gradually develop as you learn to use the tools. The trouble with throwing 2, 3 or 4 (we all know people do this) subs st a problem is you don’t know see how each sub is developing.
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That’s what I’m waiting for once the results start to pop it could be very interesting
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Stark, Primal, Khan, they’re also alpha titles. So perhaps the results you’re getting are on your personal confidence/masculinity/etc more than just “seduction.”
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Primal is the best approaching subliminal. And it’s NSE. Maybe that’s the one you should stick to long term?
I noticed this much more with Emperor than with Khan, which honestly just tells me I still have personal growth to do.
I think I have a lot of internal/subconscious resistance around fully stepping into “alpha/dominant” energy. The cycles did create internal shifts, but the changes didn’t really stick long-term. So my conclusion is simple: I need to keep going and keep pushing through the resistance.
That’s also probably why I’m not seeing much with Primal Seduction yet. I’m wondering if running Khan 1 (TB) alongside PS could help break through that block more effectively.
I’ve also been considering making a dedicated seduction-focused custom, but for now I’m going to wait and keep pushing the store titles first. Still, this is the rough idea I’ve had in mind for a future custom:
Potential custom list (brain dump / not final):
- Primal
- Primal Seduction
- Wanted / WDB
- ESSENCE: The Experience of Joy and Love
- ESSENCE: Magnetic Social Flow
- Synergy: Beyond Seduction
- Synergy: Perfection Manifestation
- Synergy: Primordial Aura
- Synergy: Secrets of Seduction
- Synergy: Divine Dominion
- Stop Porn and Masturbation
- I.Q. and Cognitive Booster
- Panther
- Ethereal Presence
- Earthshaker – Sexuality
- Echoes of Fulfillment
- Fortune’s Favorite
- Experimental ZPU Anti-Recon
- Atman
- Adaptive Scripting (when available)
For context: I’m not running a custom right now — I’m only running PS from the store.
In the past, my custom ended up working more like a wealth/manifestation booster than a seduction booster. This is what I ran back then:
- Genesis: Mogul
- Primal Seduction
- Synergy: Beyond Seduction
- Synergy: Perfection Manifestation
- Synergy: Voice is the Law
- Synergy: Divine Dominion (manifestations)
- Synergy: Primordial Aura
- Fortune’s Favorite
- Sultan
- Financial Success Reality Shifter
- Sacred Words
- Submodel Alpha
- Transcendental Connection
- Power Talk
- King’s Radiance
Would love to hear thoughts from anyone who’s dealt with the “resistance” phase — especially if you’ve tried Khan 1 (TB) + PS specifically.
I will post this here, because I do believe that this stack could be a good foundation
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