Building a foundation for success with women (SC titles)

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#21

I got a fuck ton of recon from WB, so I ran 3-8 seconds of WB for 3 months. Then 3-15 seconds for another 3 months just until recently. Now i’m finally going above 15s.

30s was definitely too much for me. The results started to get spotty too at that length.

If you want to try WB again, it’s gonna get updated soon. So your experience with WB shouldn’t be as spotty/reconful as it was back then. Hopefully 2-5m will work by then so you won’t have to go too low. I’d say give it months instead of just weeks, but that’s up to you.

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#22

You seem to struggle and get more recon SPECIFICALLY with subliminals that are much more dense.

Not sure how aware you are of the “density” of a sub, it’s something that you have to lurk the forum to get a sense of.

WB, Khan, Primal Seduction. Those are literally the three most dense subs in the seduction section LOL.

Dense = lots of information to process.
Lots of info to process = requires more time (cycles)

Meanwhile, you get incredible results on low density subs. Primal, Stark, ROTNW.

RoTNW specifically is one of the lighter ones of everything. That’s why u might have experienced a very narrow result: blowjobs and sexual attention, but not discernment, status, confidence, or direct approaches of women you find attractive

That’s why Stark acts very fast for you too.

You’re not gauging subliminal effectiveness - you’re gauging speed of results … that’s great but you’re missing out on the much bigger but much slower results from the bigger titles.

I think why you got results with Lhan 4 was… first of all Khan4 is complete and meant to be where the most results shine… but also because you were patient for 3 cycles/months of listening to Khan, and then got quick results on 4, because that’s what multistagers do, prepare you for stage 4.

Moral of the story; like everyone is saying, stick to longer runs of each title, ESPECIALLY the ones that are more dense

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#23

I relate to a lot of what you wrote, and thank you. It’s actually re-inspired me to do start doing approaches again myself.

I can’t say much for WDB yet as I just started a cycle, but in terms of pure seduction, no healing or anything, I’d do 2-3 cycles (or more if you want) of New Wanted solo, then switch to WB solo. Make sure to start both with microloops.

WB used to give me annoying recon, but after a few cycles of New Wanted, I ran one 20 second loop of WB and got awesome inner results and outer results.

I’m annoyed right now because I’m now doing WDB solo but have just been feeling needy and not sexy anymore like I did after the 20 sec WB loop before the washout, though everyone else seems to be getting awesome results from WDB. :man_shrugging:

By the way, may I ask what you mean by harsh rejections?

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#24

That’s fine, that’s part of the journey. Don’t compare yourself to others, it’s not fair. Explore these keywords, reflect on them.

Needy. Sexy.
Let’s ponder them.

Keep going.

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#25

I actually think the proper foundation is going to be built through things outside of romance subs. You need to completely eliminate your fear of loss for any girl you are talking to because you have an abundance of options, and you see yourself more valuable then you see her, and that needs to be maintained throughout the relationship.

This is probably going to entail raising your status as a man, through improving your looks, style, becoming charismatic, and taking control of your finances, as well as doing the shadow work so you can control and self regulate your own emotions.

I believe once your at that point, you have the real-world foundation to get the most out of subs like WB, Khan, or really any of the others. Sure you can fake all that and game girls, but the mask comes off eventually and you’ll end up ruining the relationships that you do have.

That’s why in my opinion, if you don’t feel like your at that place yet where you feel women would obviously desire you, it’s probably higher RoI to run subs that focus on improving your life, self worth, finances, etc before putting your attention on women. Then the romance/dating sub is simply enhancing something that is already there, rather than trying to fill a gap.

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#26

Run Wsnted Dream Boy, my friend. This brand new title is the perfect foundation for success with women by accessing your authentic self.

I didn’t think I would be running this title and even for a person like me who ran the other seduction titles, WDB gave ms a fresh start at life itself like a “favorite cup of coffee/tea in the morning to start your day.”

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#27

Hey @Lion Would you mind to talk about more in depth about this?
Sounds really interesting and encouraging!
Either way, I’m happy for you :slight_smile:

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#28

these two are definitely not low-density titles. Though, not high-dense like Khan or ASBR.

#29

You know that feeling when you are supposed to wake up in the morning feeling refreshed and in a good mood but instead you don’t want to get out of bed? WDB helps me feel much better getting out of bed. I think it has something to do with self-acceptance. When one feels good about oneself, one feels it much easier to face the day.

As if I had coffee even before getting out of bed cause for folks caffeine helps bring a more upbeat mood in the morning.

Was describing that aspect of WDB. You feel good. Almost all the time. Deep authenticity leading to being a genuinely chill person.

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#30

Thanks, that’s great to hear! Sounds really enticing :slight_smile:

Also, as you no doubt saw, SaintSovereign mentioned on the WDB thread about putting the ‘relaxed and authentic’ scripting into the upcoming new Genesis: Ascension :slight_smile:

I’m actually really happy to see this, as I am already on my 2nd cycle of new Wanted and would prefer to run it long term to let it have its full effect without sub-hopping.

There’s a lot of very appealing things about the WDB script (product copy I mean), especially all the stuff about relaxation, nervous system support, self-love/acceptance and authenticity.

I think most of those things are in new Wanted, but probably not to the high degree to which they are found in WDB or with tech as advanced as that in WDB (upgraded anti-recon and nervous system support, drawn from DR: Regeneration).

But I also LOVE the product copy of new Wanted.
Almost every item in the bullet-pointed list has me going “hell, yes!” :smiley:

So I’m quite encouraged that I will hopefully be able to simply run new Wanted along with the upcoming Genesis: Ascension and, through that, get pretty much all the things I most wanted from WDB :heart_eyes:

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#31

^Yeah, I’ve been running seduction stacks pretty much since I started and I still think WB is the low key ultimate attraction/seduction sub :shushing_face:. The aura is just… yeah.

I would suggest a few cycles of New Wanted solo to build a proper foundation then switch to WB. Go ahead and do WDB first as most people have recommended but then consider 2-3+ New Wanted cycles —> WB if you want more.

Again I’m just telling you this as a person who has been running seduction stacks ad nauseam and having attraction/seduction as a main goal in life for the past few years, doing approaches and whatnot like you. It’s the advice I would give myself if I was a noob starting out here @Benny. Like I feel like I’m giving you and whoever reads this the secret: New Wanted —> WB.

#32

As mentioned I felt something started to happen on Khan st4

Because I approach more than want to be chased (don’t get me wrong I’d like to be more attractive anyways)
I thought about running PS throughout a new Khan cycle stages 1-4

Isn’t it smarter?
Still trying to figure things out

#33

Yeah that could probably work, running WDB with Khan would probably be good too, because Khan = motivation for approaching, WDB = making you dreamy/more attractive/memorable etc.

PS is a big title though, running with Khan might be more hefty in recon, but you could always drop it.

I personally haven’t run PS and Khan together.

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#34

I’m running for a month now and I don’t see anything happening I mean I don’t know what it actually does on a practical level

I’m guessing I just need to be patient so that’s why I don’t want to drop it
Khan ST1 could build the foundation with it I guess

Lately I did:
Primal + PS → PS+wdb+Emp

I did that for a while last year it worked well but I want to improve my dating life as well…

The thing is I’m afraid the Wanted titles wouldn’t be in line with me approaching women
If some subconsciously I listen to a message telling me to wait for women to approach me it might not be helpful because approach anxiety is present.

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#35

The idea of Wanted Dream Boy is relaxed authenticity. You’ll be chill and won’t worry much when you approach women or when women approach you.

Am running WDB only for its social benefits and am enjoying it a lot.

In the end, you must choose the titles that you are comfortable with and which resonate with your approach. Good luck!

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#36

Did you go out there and made approaches?
From what I read, it seems PS improve your game, and actions taking is essential when listening to subliminals :slight_smile:

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#37

Yes.
I approach a lot
Every week

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#38

This is why I suggest running one title long term: let it cook. Watch the results gradually develop as you learn to use the tools. The trouble with throwing 2, 3 or 4 (we all know people do this) subs st a problem is you don’t know see how each sub is developing.

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#39

That’s what I’m waiting for once the results start to pop it could be very interesting

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#40

Stark, Primal, Khan, they’re also alpha titles. So perhaps the results you’re getting are on your personal confidence/masculinity/etc more than just “seduction.”

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