Breaking down a big custom into manageable sub

[Judoka]

@Forexpreneur

. There are a couple of long-term users that I know who are sticking to 30 second loops and now are wondering if longer loops are even necessary

Im pretty sure that long listening times cover more advanced topics tho from what iv read from saint or fire

[themadsexyscientist]

heard this too, its like moving to level 2, 3 , 4 etc to more advanced stages

[Forexpreneur]

I have read that also. I’m genuinely wondering about ZPU (Saint is calling this current tech ZPU Preview). I can’t find the couple of recent posts from about a month ago, but Saint was saying they are working on technology that you would only have to listen to something like two minutes once a week.

However, he also made it clear that a lot of testing would have to be done and they just don’t really have the resources right now to test it.

I’m going to build my 1st custom here very soon and Support cautioned to keep my loops to 15 seconds for some time since it’s going into some very emotionally charged areas and to literally keep my loops to 15 seconds and that " The relevant guidance is simply that this is a lot of processing to introduce at once, so start at fifteen seconds rather than thirty and work up through the intervals slowly. There’s no advantage to moving faster…"

That’s not saying to NOT move up at all, and this is specific to my build and my personal history. But 15 seconds still blows my mind. It take almost 5 seconds for the sound to fade in. Makes you wonder how much information is in 15 seconds?

I genuinely thought 30 seconds was a joke.

[Layman]

I actually reduced listening times on my new stack from 30s to 15s as I felt low energy and low mood from 30s. The change seemed to help as well. I’m sure I can go back up to 30s soon enough, but I’ll keep doing 15s for a few more listening days I guess

[Forexpreneur]

@Layman

but I’ll keep doing 15s for a few more listening days I guess

I just found it interesting that Support told me “there’s no advantage to moving faster” meaning increasing those loop times. It would seem that increasing loop times is more repetition. I’m sure there is more advanced information with longer loops, but ultimately, just like you’re doing, if there is recon, back up a little on the loop times. You’ll grow more in the end doing that with ZPU titles.

I’m quite new (1 year Anniv coming up November 21) but even I think that I need longer loops. Poor Saint keeps trying to tell everyone “less is more”.

[anon15812918]

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Because the processing is much more immediate as you’re exposed to less. Hence why microloops work so well, they help you work through those basic issues that you might stonewall when processing higher amounts. It’s important to point out when we mentioned each title being essentially its own four stager, that each “mini-stage” contains the whole of the script, just simplified, but can still get you to the goal - in smaller steps. If I were training you to invest money in forex on my behalf, …

the way I understand it, as long as you still have some specific basic issues, you won’t be able to increase exposure. And when you are finally getting more advanced, with real world milestones, etc., that’s when you can also increase exposure

that said, there are also other factors such as nervous system health, your own capacity for change, etc. etc. etc.

EDIT: just to illustrate it better, here’s how Mogul MIGHT THEORETICALLY work within that framework (everyone is different and will react differently, so it’s just an example. Maybe you are the type of person who will be lead straight to starting their own business under Mogul’s guidance)

Taking an extreme case of someone growing up in poverty and yet having zero work experience, very poor money beliefs, etc.

the first part might look like actually just opening that person up to the idea that THEY can make money. Showing them that they can work a job and that there’s nothing scary about it, etc.

second part might be starting to save up financial cushion and doing basic investing in safe currencies or crypto

then they might move on to trying to open business

and then go to financial freedom

and these milestones would be a great part to increase exposure (if otehr factors such as NS health are in check). That’s how I see it in an ideal world

[Forexpreneur]

Thank you so incredibly much for posting this and explaining this. Absolutely makes surface sense, but the progressive detailing I think is what I was missing and your post fills in that gap in understanding.

I love how you and especially @Fire explained the stage details.

[Forexpreneur]

Somehow I’m going about these subs in the right way (I genuinely think it’s my management training and experience kicking in). Man I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve read about a sub and get that shiny object syndrome. Heck I’d LOVE to work on my Romance portion of my life, but I knew I needed to calm my system first.

Then I needed to work on my financial stuff (was doing good but life caved in on me all at once), then the romance part. Sometimes I want to skip ahead, but that’s just it, I’d be skipping ahead.

The only reason why I bring this up is I think this analogy fits “Breaking down a big custom into manageable sub”, it’s the same theme to “creating a life I love”. Break it down. I call it “chunking”, but it’s essentially the same thing.

[heartmadeiron]

@anon15812918

EDIT: just to illustrate it better, here’s how Mogul MIGHT THEORETICALLY work within that framework (everyone is different and will react differently, so it’s just an example. Maybe you are the type of person who will be lead straight to starting their own business under Mogul’s guidance)

This is why the guidelines for taking actions in the manual are so important. Even something as small as going from wallflower to joining clubs involves measurable milestones and overcoming limitations.

[Forexpreneur]

@heartmadeiron

This is why the guidelines for taking actions in the manual are so important. Even something as small as going from wallflower to joining clubs involves measurable milestones and overcoming limitations.

And I’ll add, patience.

I journal. A LOT. . It’s not the only action I take. But action is a key part missing with those that struggle to grow with the subs.

Action and Patience. I struggle sometimes with the patience, but I still do it. I might kick and scream but I always let patience win.