Okok in that case Paragon wouldn’t be for me. My T is normal but I want it to be in the high-normal but I guess there’s no a sub that can do that yet.
Paragon Sleep is great I might give it another try in the future.
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The only sub which improves hormones throughout is QL ST1. Here is the description:
Before unleashing the power of Quantum, your whole nervous system (and not just the brain) needs to be in an optimal condition. This means extensive repairs of physical damages, rebalancing of hormones and nutrients, restoration of optimal functioning, rewiring of existing neural patterns for higher efficiency, preparation for new, even more optimized neural connections, strengthening of existing areas and creation of new connections…
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Like I mentioned to @Monarch my T is normal but I want it to be high-normal. QLQ ST1 wouldn’t exactly help with that.
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Yes, that’s right, in that case it probably wouldn’t do anything.
Unfortunately I don’t know anything else.
I am surprised that no one mentioned Godlike Masculinity. A few old posts mentioned how it was akin to pure testosterone or boost it. Granted those posts were from the Ultima (or before) era.
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The thing with Godlike Masculinity is that it’s not a pure testosterone boost sub. Yes it will make you masculine but it won’t boost T/ improve your hormones (Confirmed by bloodwork from people I know who used it for this exact purpose).
Right now the ones that seem to boost T is:
QLQ ST1 and ST2
Empfit ST3
Paragon
Paragon Sleep (Indirectly threw better sleep)
SPS: Endocrine System
Maybe Wanted or Wanted (Though I believe indirectly and not directly)
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That’s cool. I’d like to to say it’s pretty common for the competition to defame each other. (Unless you’re talking about close friends who’ve tried it out) I’m not an ambassador for them or anything, just saying you can’t always believe what you read, good or bad. Especially most product review articles. The FB community is pretty active. Maybe you could find someone in there that could help you without using the supplement
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Spartan increases test right ?
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I mean I tend to feel more masculine running Spartan especially if I’m doing a consistent workout regiment. Plus with optimizing the body which includes hormones I imagine it would if it can be done for your body
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Indirectly yes but not directly.
Only Empfit ST3 and SPS: Endocrine System target it directly
“Would you please enter a support ticket about this?” 
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Okay so I’m not @RVconsultant or @SaintSovereign, but as I have had quite a lot of experience with physical shifting subs, I would like to tell you both something about subs on here that interact with hormones:
The subs always mention “optimization” in the objectives/description, not “increase”, and the reason for that is because just simply increasing your testosterone levels isn’t as straightforward as you think, if it was, then bodybuilders wouldn’t need to triple check their stack and supplements before starting a steroid cycle.
furthermore, increasing your testosterone levels also means that it will have an impact on your behavior, and depending on how much of it converts to DHT or Estrogen, you might even end up balding or get gyno, and the horror stories of frequencies/subs messing with people’s hormones are everywhere on YouTube and Reddit.
So instead of thinking about “increasing testosterone”, think about why do you even have this notion that you have to increase it.
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This is definitely a support ticket question because they would know what is in the script, not me.
@RVconsultant i respect this gentleman called Invictus but he lacks the understanding that men when they get to middle age their test levels drop. He is still 24 or perhaps 25 he does not understand the challenges of middle age.
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With all due respect, I think you misunderstood my comment.
What I’m trying to say is that if you biologically require more testosterone in order to optimally function, then the subs would increase your levels to that optimal level, however, as you do understand that my optimal levels are much higher than let’s say someone aged 40, the amount of increase that I’d get would automatically be higher (if I needed it to be), but no more than what’s optimal for my age.
You see, purely increasing testosterone levels alone isn’t really going to be as helpful as you might think, because theoretically speaking, just increasing testosterone on its own won’t do much for you, as there are other things that need to be taken into consideration, here are just a few of those things:
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your skeletal system strength; can your bones actually support the increased amount of muscle that you’d theoretically build?
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cardiovascular health; is your heart fit enough for it to function optimally with such higher levels of test at that age?
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hormonal balance; how are you gonna make sure your other hormones are in equilibrium? Or worse, what if the increased testosterone aromatized and potentially increased Estrogen levels in your body? At that point, you risk the development of Gyno.
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central nervous system; is your CNS strong enough to support the increase?
Those are just a few things to take into consideration, and to understand that while optimization could lead to an increase, it won’t go to “super” levels, mostly due to all the other things that could potentially be messed up due to the increase.
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With all due respect, at least on my side anyway. We never talked about wanted “super” levels of test. Now on my side I just said to be in the high-normal of test but if there was a sub for that then all the things you’ve mentioned previously (Which I completely agree with) would be part of the sub. Just increasing test would be good or optimal but a sub that makes your hormones optimal or high-normal would be a good thing depending on what you define as high-normal/optimal. Also to add to what you mentioned if you we’re to increase T, you need to take in other factors:
SHBG => If you have high T you want to make sure your SHBG is not high as the higher your SHBG the lower your free T which makes having increase T useless if your not able to use the free T.
Estrogen => Like you mentioned, both low and high are a problem. Have low E and your basically Asexual, have high E and your basically a female: How I Feel With Low Estrogen Vs High Estrogen - YouTube
There’s many other factors but I’m not MPMD so I’m not going to talk about that.
Theoretically that is really depending on the person. You could have high T and not have a a big increase in the amount of muscle you build. If I’m not wrong it’s androgens that are responsible for muscle growth (Don’t quote on my that and please correct me if I’m wrong).
While I agree with both of your opinions, @RockyHandsome you have to remember test levels are just a simple thing, it’s a complex process. The things @Invictus mentioned are true and are something to think about it but also there’s the other side of the coin where not everyone will be affected by what he says. For example Gyno, yes if you have really high T gyno is likely but in our example for which this thread was created we’re talking about optimal or high-normal. Now in this case, is Gyno still possible? Yep everyone’s body is different so when you have Gyno someone else might not.
Also some people have naturally low levels of Estrogen in which case they would benefits from higher estrogen from T (When I mean low I mean dead low).
All that to say, is you can’t just generalize what people need one person might need a completely different thing from what you need. Anyway that’s all for my rant.
LOL yeah… it’s rough out there on those youtube sub streets
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I am baldy bastard anyway hahahaha
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Bringing this back - which subs, now that there have been a litany of updates, would best optimize testosterone?