Becoming Alpha, AM, sex master and Limitless

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#22

inb4 we take over this thread and turn it into a science chat.

There are systems in the body called the parasympathetic nervous system and the sympathetic nervous system. The para-sympathetic nervous system is calm, cool, safe, relaxed.

The sympathetic system is fight, flight, and freeze. It is danger. Violence. Lack of safety. Fear.

When men with PE start having sex, there’s usually an activation of the sympathetic (fear) system due to fight and flight.

After 5 minutes of having sex and no bombs went off, no stress was had, everything went okay, you still haven’t cum… next thing you know, the body relaxes and you enter the sympathetic nervous system, in which you have total control over the relaxation of your muscles.

Remember that orgasm is nothing more than the clenching of the perineum… if it clenches, you cum, it’s that simple. So if you can relax it, you won’t cum. That simple.

Which is why it’s important to ride up to a 7 when you edge, not a 9.5… it will clench and try to orgasm at 9.5 even if nothing comes out… you haven’t taught yourself to have sex while relaxed.

But at a 7/10 pleasure, it won’t clench, and you’ll learn to stay relaxed under pressure.

Way easier with a fleshlight/pocket-pussy might I add.

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#23

The book you should read about PE is Mantak Chia’s Multi-Orgasmic man. Some of it is extra-spiritual but in reality it’s all just practices that teach you to control the inner-muscles in your body responsible for PE. It’s a great book to read even if you only apply 50% of it.

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#24

Thanks Man. I will implement this.

Yes it does take patience.

TBH, i just think that i psychologically think that it is gross. The smell is actually okay. I don’t mind it.

But damn, if oral gives the best sex i need to learn more of it then.

Okay I will be reading that book.

@Billions what do you think about The Sex God Method, it is often suggested by @AlexanderGraves from his blog. I would love to hear your opinion.

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#25

So, first of all, this is a long post, and I’d never heard of it until just now, so I can’t give you a full summary of everything that I think about this sex god method blog post… let alone the book, which I didn’t read.

Second of all, I’m in @AlexanderGraves’s group and love everything he puts out.

This is a long post so let’s assume that if I don’t comment on something, it’s because I agree with it or think it’s fine.

In general, everything is great. Some of it is not specific to PE and can harm you in the long run if you try to solve PE with it.

First point of disagreement: “the way to make her want to have sex with you more often is to be amazing in bed!”

I don’t think that’s true. I think that for most (some) women what’s more important is an emotional click. And obviously if you’re great in bed that helps, but the emotions are probably dominant here… ESPECIALLY for a man with PE… because if she was purely in it to get fucked like a pornstar, she wouldn’t be with a guy with PE.

That’s not a bad thing either… as a guy with PE you actually end up with more emotionally mature women fairly easily. A woman who loves having sex with a guy when he has PE (trust me, they’re out there in abundance) is a woman who gets off to the emotional thrill of sex rather than the physical thrill of it, and has more character as a result of being in it for more than just a cheap hook-up.

I especially agree with the idea of dominance. Dominance helps me last longer in bed.

Not focusing too much on her is massive. This is the big problem of PE. We focus so much on performing and HER pleasure we don’t even consider the fact that we can tell the girl to slow down. Have you ever considered that you can dominate her by telling her you’re going to punish her if she makes you cum? And force her to go slow and start and stop and choke her while she does it and say “you better not make me cum or else i’m gonna punish you?”

THAT is the idea of focusing on your pleasure, not hers… combined with dominance. For your pleasure, tell her you like it slow.

But most of all… I 100%, completely, wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that PE is caused by the mind. Immersion is not the cure for chronic PE. The key to PE is edging at a 7/10, trusting your partner, being able to go slow, and patience to work on it for months and maybe even a year before seeing any results.

However the “Techniques to make you last longer” section is excellent! One trick I got taught was to focus intensely directly on my forehead if I felt like I was about to cum. It didn’t help me when I had NO control, but once I had a bit of control, focusing on my forehead when i felt like I was about to cum helped me last longer. It’s just an example that controlling your thoughts can be helpful, but especially if you have a bad case of PE, it’s not enough

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#26

6th day of listening to only Diamond ZP.

Total 6 loops.
TODAY: Rest day

Erection Quality -
Slightly improve. Never had problem with this so i am fine here.

Emotions during sex -
Higher intensity. I am more in the sex act now. Not much thinking anymore. Used to be thinking a lot. I can fell my self better now. As in my own pleasure becomes more important.

Ejaculation -
Still premeture. I think because i have more feelz now, it is a bit hard to control, might have been faster or i did not notice it because i was too into the sex act itself. ON ANOTHER NOTE, my ejaculation is way stronger. I feel like i am shooting with a shotgun. Which pleases me a lot.:grin:

Overall -
I am getting better at Sex. I can feel it. I am more present in the sex act now. This is a minor progress. But something worth noting. I will still keep listening to Diamond until it becomes fixed.
Why- my partner loves the sex and both of us wants it to last longer.
It is a Win-Win for both of us.

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#27

Don’t forget about the clitoris! Pay attention to the clitoris! Go easy on it though, use your tongue, lips and fingertips like a feather. Tease it and give it gentle kisses. Maybe with a mischievous grin as you watch her do backflips on the bed. If she likes more pressure, you’ll know because you can’t breathe because she’s grabbing the back of your head and trying to erase your face lol.

PE: @Billions has good info. What helps me through the first 5-10 minutes is keeping my breath slow and steady, all the way in and all the way out (like meditation). Maybe a primal growl or grunt on the breath out. Do not take this lightly.

When you start breathing shallow, you get tense and then that muscle you guys were talking about contracts and then you’re past the point of no return. Bam, PE. I try to keep that muscle relaxed by trying to push out it out of my a-hole. Don’t try to make your D feel bigger for her by pushing energy through your D. Relax it if that makes sense.

Sorry if this is none of my business or if you already know.

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#28

Thanks for advice. I am learning.

#29

12th day of listening to only Diamond ZP.

Total 10 loops.
TODAY: Rest day

Erection Quality -
Same as previous. Small improvement

Emotions -
More focused on the act itself. I am more in the sex act. Not much thinking anymore. Time flies fast.
But damn, my emotions is haywire when not doing it. The aprhodisiac effect is strong. If I don’t have sex, i am moved to look into porn.

Ejaculation -
Still premeture. I am practicing with the start stop method right now.

Overall -
Sex is still great. Will keep listening to it. But i need to control it more.

#30

This happened to me as well. I thought it was the time of my life, not the sub, but I see how Diamond had a volatility inducing effect on my emotions.

I feel ya brother. Stay strong!

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#31

16th day of listening to only Diamond ZP.

Total 12 loops.
TODAY: Rest day

Erection Quality -
Same as previous. Small improvement

Emotions -
More focused on the act itself.

Ejaculation -
Still premature. I am practicing with the start stop method right now.
My erection last longer now. Even after ejaculation.
I notice that i am Ejaculating faster now, is the aprhodisiac effect giving me this effect. I don’t understand. Please shine some light on it @SaintSovereign. If it has that effect, I need to stop this and move back to SMX. Plus I just read that SMX has ZP version. Definitely will give it a try.

Overall -
Sex is still great. My partner and myself definitely love it.

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#32

So i get this from Diamond ZP thread.
It seems i have been listening too much. Sp i will reduce it.

New listening plan:

Monday

  1. Diamond ZP
  2. Sex Mastery ZP

Wednesday

  1. AM QV2 2x

Friday

  1. Sex Mastery 2x

My goal is to prolong ejaculation. So i will use this method for now. I will adjust based on the results that i get.

#33

I am taking a break fromy subs currently.

Becuae there was suggestions that i might be hearing too much of it and had recon.

But whats weird is, i never felt like i waas im recon, it is more like i did not have ample time to process the subs.

The past few days was crazy. After 2 days of break my dreams are so lucid. The past 4 days, every night dreams are long. I am sleeping like a baby.

I am planning to take the whole week off.

New plan,

Listen to Subs for 3 weeks, rest 1 week.

#34

Recon is caused by not having fully processed the subs, so, they’re not as different as you would think.

You already listen with rest days so now all you have to do is include washout periods.

Especially with ZP, you need a washout every 3 weeks minimum. The “recommended” listening pattern is 21 days on, 3-5 days off. 3 seems to be the minimum necessary, but it’s still “experimental,” so 5 is still recommended.

But instead of 21 days on 3-5 days off, I’ve been recommending a MUCH simpler framework for creating a listening pattern.

  1. Listen to subs ONLY on Monday, Wednesday, and Fridays.

  2. Take every third Friday off.

  3. BOOM. You now have an 17-day-on, 4-day-off listening schedule that is consistent, will never change, will never need to be “remembered” or calculated, and will give you a 4 day washout at the appropriate time with a 2-day washout once a week to boot!

  4. Obviously, m/w/f is an example. you could also do m/w/sat, tu/th/sat, tu/th/sun.

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#35

Yesterday I requested a Q Module for customs specifically related to healing sexual shame and trauma. @friday liked the idea so I’ll tag him in this to share my thoughts. Him and I both have suffered from PE and talked about it a lot.

My idea was a q module designed for healing sexual shame specifically, which is currently not covered by any singular product on the SC market right now. Wanted comes close, but it’s about a different type of sexual shame, it’ll heal shame around not being good enough rather than specifically sexual shame.

So I started to think about how to use what SC has available to heal sexual shame.

Rebirth + Diamond seems like the perfect path.

Rebirth added onto Diamond would enhance diamond to make it faster, easier to process, get more results, and get them more naturally. So as a results-enhancer it’s great to add onto any sub, really.

But Rebirth specifically is meant to let go of the past, and it’s entirely the past that is causing present day PE. Past conditioning of our members, along with past emotional shame when remembering past PE experiences.

We sexually hold onto the past in two major ways.

  1. Emotionally. We hold on, consciously and subconsciously, to the shame and disappointment we felt every single time we came too early. So there’s emotions to be sorted out and let go of. Letting go of the past in this case means not bringing past sexual shame into current sexual experiences.

  2. Physically. Not only do WE hold onto SHAME, but our bodies do too. Our bodies have become trained to last for a short amount of time, and in order for Diamond to take effect, we need to loosen up that programming more to allow Diamond’s programming to seamlessly enter into an open subconscious, instead of competing against already-set programming telling us to do the exact opposite of what Diamond is telling our brain to do. That’s probably why Diamond is hard for you to process… your internal processing is totally opposite of it. Hence, the volatility. You and I as PE sufferers are the only 2 people I’ve heard of getting volatility from Diamond and that’s probably it.

Diamond is already doing that for both points, but, Rebirth as an “eliminate trauma from the past and let it go” script would enhance that feature of Diamond’s and focus Diamond’s effects even further specifically for people with lots of shame and programming to eliminate.

Try out listening to Diamond with Rebirth for a while. If you want to stack it with a third sub, Emperor would probably be the way to go. It has SMX, it has limitless, it has AM, all of which you wanted to add into your stack. It’s also really helped me communicate desires more. And it’ll add emotional stability to the emotional volatility of Diamond.

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#36

Where did you find that? I can’t seem find anything in the instructions indicating 3 days off as an option.

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#37

Yes, exactly my thoughts.

What i am doing is not different from you.

I will listen to subs for 3 weeks. For 21days and leave washout period for 7 days.

Mon : Sex Mastery and Diamond ZP

Teu : Rest

Wed : Sex Mastery and Limitless ZP or Paragon ZP ( Need to decide since i think Paragon might help with my Sensitivity.

Thu ; Rest

Friday : AM Qv2.

Sat and Sun: Rest.

Repeat for 3 weeks, rest for 1 week.

This is my current stack.

#38

I was thinking more of Paragon and Sex Mastery.

But rebirth sounds good also.

I think Rebirth + Sex mastery might be a good addition as well.

Reading your post, i do realize that I have sexual shame due to my Porn Addiction.

If my goal is to last longer, Sex mastery + Rebirth sounds good. But I still need to do a lot of practice as well

#39

Personally, I would only run Sex Mastery if lasting longer is your major goal. Maybe adding some Diamond occasionally for habit changes and mindset related to PE.

I would not stack it with Paragon because PE is not an ailment. From an evolutionary standpoint, it is beneficial, so I hardly doubt that Paragon will help with PE, worse case it will dilute your stack and you will see less results than possible.

Similar with Rebirth, though it would be better than Paragon imo. It might help for some mindset changes but from experience, Diamond will help with that on its own but in a far more focused manner, only dealing with sex in general. Rebirth could be too broad and might too further dilute your stack.

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#40

This assumes it is only a physical problem. It’s not. Emotions and past experiences are defining.

Also, just so you know, with foreplay and connection and an overall fun experience, i’ve had women tell me it was the best sex they ever had and actually mean it, even though total PIV penetration time was less than a minute.

But because of our emotions and past conditioning, we finish and immediately feel shame, project that frame onto our partner, and deprive her of the joy of having satisfied you, because instead of being satisfied, you shut down or felt regret, which makes her question the experience even more

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#41

You are correct here.

I will just focus on Sex Mastery, Diamond and AM for now.

My goal is to overcome my own limiting beliefs about my life, wealth and sex life.

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