@Simon thoughts on EOG Stage 4 vs. Nouveau Rich ?
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Only did a loop (or two) of NR. Not enough experience to comment.
Not even reading the thread.
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Iām sure that will change in the coming weeks 
Your experience enough to comment that is.
What are you running these days besides NR?
Ya, I tend to not post here when running most ZP subs.
And all subs I run, are ZP subs.
Sorry my post wasnāt clear. Iām not running NR, only tested it at release.
Iāve come to realize that all my laziness and underachieving genius stuff comes from undiagnosed ADHD.
So, Iām on Emperor now.
The one sub I post a lot on!
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I canāt get over how good Khan is for quality of life, business drive, authentic confidence, and attraction.
Iāve test WB quite a bit now not with any duration though. WB and NR is truly magnificent. Absolute social game changer. That said Khan still edges out WB for me in terms of the woman I am attracted to being into me, and by a landslide beats out WB for getting sexual (so far)
WB for social is insanely powerfully but for being āthe oneā every woman has eyes on and wants-has yet Khan is still king. Again maybe I have integrated WB enough, but its very showy to me. It generates a lot of interest but I have not seen the gap bridged. I find I can wield my intention on Khan more strongly, the woman I am most attract tend to be all eyes for me. Where as WB feels more like roulette
I REALLY like WB but Khan is so masculine-its pure real masculinity. Wanted Black still has this āeyes on meā quality that is inherently feminine to me. Khan is like a straight path to sex. WB is a glow that may or may not draw someone in.
This may change as I test WB more but so far thatās where I stand.
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Test more WB tonight
at a class I was at met a girl I was super into- our chemistry was insane and I felt like we
could have started kissing shortly into the conversation then she clammed up and it got super weird
the vibe I got was she was avoiding me and not wanting to engage. She kept falling silent and seeming to re-engage her friends. It started to trigger this crazy insecurities I have not had in years, caring what woman think, not able to attract the woman I like, feeling needy. I wanted her so badly-almost like the wanted reversed itself, I re-engaged at one point-and it was totally back āONā and then at the end she gave me a hug like I had the plague. Not sure if my unspoken ārecon/needinessā was repelling her or she got freaked out with her own turn on, but very interesting experience. I never got this on Khan. Khan gets deeper and deeper and easier to be with woman, it was like this was to strong it burnt itself out. Also likely my recon of course. Iāll continue to test WB with NR and TS black this week. Iād love to have WB fit into my stack if it works. May add a couple minutes of HOM to stay sharp. Lots of shifting in the stack to figure out, as of now NR and TS black are the only staples.
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Do you notice the charisma and diplomacy True Social?
Does it aid with likeability and make you more interesting in general when you actually start talking?
Interesting, @simon. Can you share how Emperor has been helping you with this? I suspect I have the same problemā¦
Iām running Stark right now and love it, but can barely anything done these days coz my mind is all over the place.
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Therapeutic treatment of ADHD is largely all about building skills and habits around ā structuring your life, attention management, detailed planning, getting stuff done, environment design, organization, etc.
I chose Emperor to aid in that process, as we already know that it helps with those things.
Iām not currently running anything to support the processing of emotions associated with growing up with ADHD ā like regret for lost opportunities, et al.
If I did, my choice would be Chosen from Within.
I suggest you stop running Stark right away. It is designed to develop several of the qualities that weāre going to benefit by inhibiting.
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If Khan worked so well for you why change?
Itās the same reason I came back to Stark because I asked myself the same question.
if Stark worked so well for me why change? Went threw HoM, WB and Genesis all great sub but they werenāt Stark. They didnāt have the spark or effect Stark gave me. If WB doesnāt fit you, it doesnāt fit you and thatās okay (speaking from personal experience, for you it might work great). Iād say if Khan works well do Khan + TS Black + NR if your focused is on getting girls which brought you WB then Khan will already do that for you (iāve never used it but from what Iāve seen when other people did). If itās physical shifting, you could just add LoTs. Thatās been a stable in physical shifting stack and itās been working great even if my diet is not the best sometimes (this is further proven by my almost perfect bloodwork and now whoop data so itās not just random observations, itās clear data that LoTs works).
At the end of the day, your a smart guy and you know whatās best for you. Do what works best for you not what works best for others. Everyone is different.
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It doesnāt work as the best stack for my sales and wealth goals. Its just my favorite feeling of a sub to be on. The recon was also very hard at point
Its too early to say, it also may mix oddly with NR. That said Iām hearing people finding WB elusive , the push/ pull of that is ridiculous in my opinion. Itās try hard. My experience with WB is when I engage when I should be pulling, woman will pull back. Itās like the energetic mechanisms of pulling back has to be on one of the parties.
Strongly considering this. Itās not clear I can take HOM out of the equation and produce the level of results I do. I may make a NR/HOM sub. The week of or after EOG also seems to contribute to massive sales and wealth success. So EOG/NR might be an even better combo. Second week of NR and only had $4K in sales, close rate low, nothing special. It all could turn around in a second, and I surprisingly am chill with it. No HOM or EOG yet this week.
I also really want to get some LOTS and BDLM in my stack.
I have both a myopic frustration around subs time line and a very broad horizon. So I now recognize things sometimes need time before a real assessment/ judgement. Of course I am going to do whatās best for me but I can certainly learn from the experience of others And honestly I may be smart butā¦I definitely donāt always know whatās best for me 
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Why not go to ST4 of Khan? Youāll get way more recon on ST1
Because I want to run through Khan in full. Khan Stage 4 has given more recon than Stage 1 in the past. I donāt believe in skipping stages on 4 stages unless its for a test. Less so now than before, but I think people are missing out enormously from skipping to stage 4s. Also wealth goals are priority right now. Then secondary are physical healing, physique etc.
I second this. Stages are not meant to be skipped and recon only means there is a lot of internal change. Respect to those who run and take time with each stage. Especially the first one. Itās a goldmine. Same for Khan Black healing.
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Completely agree, Khan is over-all the best āfeeling subā to run hands down, definitely miss it, just not sure if I have a place for it with my goals right now either. What is your current stack?
I have mainly been running NR, but anytime I take HOM out of my stack I go by doubling everyone elseās results to absolute trash selling lol.
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Well I did only 5 minutes of HOM last week, but was on the tail end of EOG and HOM the previous week and did my biggest sales week yet. I think the NWE really added to their effect. This week Iāve done just NWE and True Sell Black and itās been magnificent. True Sell is really shining through as well Iām seeing the skill. I also got sales coaching from an amazing coach and after taking on her coaching my close rate doubled. This week Iām at $41K, two more days to go, nothing monster like last week $102K. I find HOM and/or EOG help me hit big in terms of size of sales and higher ticket clients. True Sell helps me close what wouldnāt have closed otherwise. And NR is making it pretty easy. Iām going to create a custom with EOG/HOM today I think. HOM in the right amounts definitely helps. I mean NR I also think helps hit big.
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Not concious venting- but voicing out loud for alchemy
Not sure if recon Iāve also been sick this week, but NR feels very passive. I find myself full of gratitude and ease- like Iāve already made it, itās more on for the ride feeling then driven. I like elements of that but it can also occur like a sedative, I like that ālets fxxing goā make it happen that I get from Emperor, Khan, EOG etc. The non-unfolding ambition subs. Possibly recon and being sick-or but that āwoke the f upā capacity.
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So your running NR without HOM and your sales suck now?
I found NR helps with sales- with authenticity but without TS lacks a bit. With a smidge of TS it becomes masterful
Yeah, started a new position where im appt setting currently so HOM is huge for client manifestations, building rapport, faster connections which in this role is more nessicary then closing. Was crushing it when I was running the two together so planning on going back to that
I honestly am torn with HOM. It makes my sales calls āstickyā people talk to much, there too related. It derails the crisp professionalism of it, the sales element of it. On the other hand, the relatedness can be a benefit-and the massive manifestation of it seems huge. HOM client manifestation seems big. It helps with faster rapport when there is no rapport. Too much rapport in my field is a bad thing.
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