@SaintSovereign
Are you able to confirm if, for custom 2155, the Her Hunt, Your Throne module was ever added to custom?
After my 5-day washout, I ran a custom with Long Range Seduction while on vacation- and all the woman I’ve lost all interest in who I have not spoken to but used to be really into, reached out and all the ones I’ve been less communicative with who I’m still intop- didn’t 
Why- what is this metaphysical law- - I see this in different forms in dating over and over again. More thoughts on this to come
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Its in two customs- not my custom with R.I.C.H and true sell
I usually run it in my two other customs
True Sell/ R.I.C.H custom has no synergy modules because it CAN slow the speed of execution
Thats my pure performance custom. The others are for building.
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@qOS How would Khan Stage 4 pair in custom, or two store title with EOG: True Sell Stage 4?
How would the synergy affect Khan’s romance and seduction, as well as True Sell Stage 4’s wealth generation?
@qOS support mentioned Khan Stage 4 can cause people/romantic connections to leave my life through the independence scripting and their sensing that and the direct life alignment scripting. Can I direct this through conscious choice and intention? If certain people I consciously wanted in my life were removed by these effects, can I redirect it? Or would I need to drop back to stage 3, where the relationship was cultivated?
Summary
Short version: they fit well, because one supplies the engine and the other supplies the steering. Khan Stage 3 is Total Action, a relentless push to achieve, dominate and seize success, powered by your sexual energy. True Sell Stage 3 is The Close, the craft of turning qualified conversations into signed business that stays signed. Khan makes sure you go after the deal; True Sell makes sure you land it cleanly.
What Khan Stage 3 brings
Total Action instils decisive action as a way of life. It refines ambition into something controllable that automatically outlines the steps to your goals, adds resilience and conflict-handling so obstacles become stepping stones and you keep control and respect in tense situations, and carries status and authority scripting alongside light but potent wealth scripting. Its page says the wealth effects come from everything else being dialled to the extreme. It also manifests situations that test you, and every test you pass reinforces the push, so results surface faster. The other half of Stage 3 is extreme sexuality: a raw sexual aura, seduction from a place of dominance, and manifestation of receptive women.
What True Sell Stage 3 brings
The Close is built for the person who has enough pipeline but too little of it becoming revenue. It develops composure that doesn’t waver as deal size rises, control of a meeting’s pace without forcing it, mapping who can actually approve the deal, digging under objections to the real barrier, negotiating on more levers than price, stating conviction at the strength you actually hold it, checking for lingering doubt before treating a yes as final, clearing stalled proposals, holding your price calmly, sitting comfortably in the silence after an ask, saying a point once and letting it stand, staying present at the close, recovering cleanly from a lost deal, and finishing the deals nearest to done instead of opening new ones.
How they work together
The two are complementary precisely because they pull in different directions. Khan is a roar; The Close is patient, measured and unhurried. In practice, Khan supplies the drive to pick up the phone, walk into the big room and ask for the decision, and the authority to be treated as an expert rather than a vendor. True Sell supplies the discipline to then slow down: to hold the silence, not over-explain, not discount at the first flinch, and not push a buyer who’s already moved from whether to how. Khan’s resilience and conflict-handling lines up with True Sell’s objection work and clean recovery from a lost deal; Khan’s tests-that-arrive line up with True Sell’s composure under rising stakes. Together, the picture is a seller who is decisive, hard to rattle and impossible to ignore, but who closes by judgement rather than pressure.
Some honest caveats:
- Khan is demanding. Its page is explicit that Stage 3 punishes inaction, that reconciliation can be hard, and that you should run the stages in order for at least 21 days each and not jump ahead. If you haven’t run Stages 1 and 2, do that first.
- Watch the dominance push in sales rooms. Khan’s drive can tip into pressure if you let it. True Sell’s honesty and consent-checking features are the counterweight, so lean on them deliberately when a deal is close.
- Khan’s sexual aura is real and not switchable. In professional settings, keep your conduct strictly within boundaries; that’s on you, not the title.
- True Sell Stage 3 assumes your pipeline is healthy. If too few conversations are happening in the first place, Stage 2 is the better fit beside Khan.
- Both titles are clear that results come from action. Khan says it bluntly; True Sell asks you to build the behaviours into your workflow.
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I think there’s a misunderstanding. It’s not that the script directly causes someone to leave, they are referring to the natural response that others will have toward you when they perceive that massive increase of status. At that point, people will start testing you and your response is naturally polarizing, since it’s not the same response you would’ve given before.
Anyone who falls off at that point is simply no longer in alignment with who you’re become. This is a real thing with Khan and any other high status product. There are some people who – for whatever reason – won’t be able to be handle the transformation. So the scripting doesn’t contain anything that deliberately pushes anyone away or somehow makes them disconnect. What it does is attempt to help you bring both your inner and outer reality into alignment. It is those subtle changes toward high status that drives some people away.
Perhaps you are speaking and acting with a bit too much authority for them, when they are used to a version of you that didn’t stand their ground hard enough. With the hard alphas, one should always expect that some people are not going to easily accept the change. We’ve seen people talk about this a lot (being tested as status rises) with both subs and pheromones. It is just the current state of the collective – perceived status and power brings challenge and separation.
Ultimately, conscious intention doesn’t work here because it’s the choice of those interacting with you if they continue to interact with you.
I must note something, and if this commentary is too personal, I apologize but just observing how you interact on the forum, your “voice” has become stronger and more self-assured. I see you engaging in more self-inquiry. During the True Sell focus sessions, your observations were sharp and in-depth. Now, this is from “the outside looking in,” but it’s my personal belief that you should question anyone who couldn’t handle this type of growth from you. But again, I can only go off of what I see here, ultimately you have to make that decision.
I will say that if you do feel like you’ve made a mistake while on Khan, a more relational title is more likely to achieve a reconciliation between two people. Summertime. PEACE. Upcoming Heartsong. Something that helps you touch the heart of another.
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Summary
The shape of the pairing
Khan Stage 4, Khan Complete, folds Stage 2’s reprogramming and Stage 3’s action together and adds three things: rapid intuitive decision-making that draws on everything the earlier stages taught you, complete independence and self-reliance paired with extensive social and professional manifestation, and alignment scripting that steadily brings your relationships, habits and environment into line with a life of success, status and ambition. It’s also the stage where romantic abundance shows fully, with the sexual and social dominance dialled to maximum.
True Sell Stage 4, The Empire, assumes you can already sell and works on converting that skill into wealth: extracting more from the channel already paying you, testing new channels without risking the core, raising your rate as your track record grows, proposing at full scale, walking into bigger rooms, packaging your own expertise, building a name that generates inbound business, keeping a portion of every payment, defining what “enough” means, and building ambition that survives decades.
They fit unusually well because they solve each other’s blind spots. Khan has only light wealth scripting by design; its page says the wealth effects come from everything else being dialled to the extreme. True Sell Stage 4 is the missing wealth architecture. In the other direction, True Sell is purely commercial and carries no romance, status-aura or dominance scripting at all; Khan supplies the presence that makes the bigger rooms open.
How the synergy affects Khan’s romance and seduction
Mostly indirectly, and mostly for the better. True Sell Stage 4 doesn’t touch romance, so Khan’s seduction runs at full strength. What The Empire adds is context. Khan Stage 4’s romantic abundance is built on status, independence and an aligned life; The Empire raises all three. A man whose rate reflects his track record, who’s building income streams and a name that brings business to him, and who has a defined idea of “enough,” carries exactly the kind of settled sovereignty Khan’s romance feeds on. Several Empire features also transfer directly: composure that doesn’t shift as stakes rise, the open hand that pursues fully without gripping the outcome, and the long fire that treats rest as part of performance. Those are seduction virtues as much as sales ones. The one thing to watch is that Khan’s push toward isolation while you build, combined with The Empire’s focus on capital-producing action, can crowd romance out of your calendar. Khan Stage 4’s alignment scripting will pull your life toward its vision, so make sure romance is deliberately in that vision.
How the synergy affects True Sell Stage 4’s wealth generation
This is where the pairing is strongest. The Empire’s biggest asks are behavioural: raise your price, propose the full scope, walk into the big room, initiate the compensation conversation, build the second stream. Those are all acts of nerve, and Khan Stage 4 is nerve at maximum: decisive action, ambition that outlines its own steps, resilience and conflict handling, and the Khan’s refusal to shrink. Khan’s social and professional manifestation and expanding network feed directly into The Empire’s inbound and reputation work, and Khan’s rapid intuitive decision-making sharpens the channel-testing and market-instinct side. Expect The Empire’s price and deal-size features to land faster and harder than they would on their own, because Khan removes the hesitation they’re designed to work around. The Empire returns the favour by giving Khan’s drive somewhere structured to go, so the ambition compounds into an asset base rather than burning off as activity.
Custom versus two store titles
As two store titles, each keeps its full scripting and you run the standard two-title pattern. This is the more flexible option, and the right one if you haven’t yet run Khan’s earlier stages.
As a two-core custom, you get name embedding, which tends to mean deeper acceptance and faster integration, and the two aims fuse into one identity rather than sitting side by side. It’s a dense build; expect longer at each micro-loop tier. The producer has also noted that Khan tends to work best in per-stage customs, so a Khan Stage 4 core with True Sell Stage 4 is a natural shape. There’s room for a module or two on top, and a settling core such as PEACE would cushion Khan’s intensity without dulling it.
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Got it, so it’s not a remote effect - based on something else.
The last time I saw this person was on Stage 3, and I would run a custom with Stage 4 in microloops before our interactions since the first time we met. I had thought something with the life alignment scripting would have been in the realm of remote/ manifestation/ gravity element of it, or a people remover if something in the scripting determined they were not aligned with my vision, even if I consciously wanted them in my life. Behaviourally, there was nothing different as I saw them last before I made the full transition to stage 4 Khan, although my text communication may have come off differently
I appreciate that comment, and I don’t know if this growth is responsible for their absence. I think what’s likely is there’s a dismissive-avoidant executive whose world is ‘on fire’ now and/or they wrote themselves off. Out of self-respect, I can’t reach out to them anymore or build any more bridges, and it made no sense given the relationship we had how everything ended. So was curious if the shift in stage may have contributed
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I’ve been testing the EOG: True Sell Stage 1 as a replacement for True Sell in my custom with R.I.C.H and NWE.
It ‘feels’ much more well presenting- like a well presenting- and less intense. My calls feel significantly less personal, but I also feel significantly more regulated and smart in my approach.
It’s not clear yet, performance-wise, there are elements of fun and raw personality that feel more natural from what I’m used to on OG true sell, but the way I am not carrying conversations into other conversations is brilliant on new TS.
Originally, when I switched, I had a huge boost in sales metrics, but there has been a decline/ dip as I’ve continued to run. My ASP was way higher, but one clawback may affect that. The month is very challenging with work changes.
A previous distribution meritocracy and structure that I benefited from - which I now see is a result of C&C and R.I.C.H has been dissolved. Since it was formed when I started running them together out of the blue
I’ll keep testing it this week. I can definitely see the value in the other stages, and we’ll see if stage 1 can maintain or improve performance. I definitely like the emotional elements of it.
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@qOS does EOG: True Sell Stage 3 work by giving the listener room to determine how to most effecively close or improve close rate or by developing the skills mentioned in the copy that are common deterents in ability to close? Or both?
Will they emphasis on closing in EOG: True Sell Stage 3 help or translate Khan’s romantic or sexual context in more effectively- ‘closing’ romantically. Either in dates, sex, romance etc?
I switched from OG True Sell in custom to an updated custom with the new one. Stage 1
I am have 3 years of experience with the old version so keep that in my mind.
I’m going to share my experience so far, difference, and outcomes, the outcome is not indicative though of the sub.
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I’ve had one huge sale fairly quickly after testing, and decent multiple other sales since- the big high revenue sale are exected 1x a month but this was my second in 10 days. My other sales are minimal off of new calendared calls, and more renewal sales- which is less $ for me, I’ve been running EOG: True Sell Stage 1 in my updated custom for about 1 week now. My performance this current week is mid to low for me normally. The big sale was last friday when I only had run 10 seconds.My new client close rate is very low- lower than its ever been- this was starting to wane the week prior with a drop in lead quality.
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The conviction and alignment of leads is very low. Both materially (lack of foward movement-stated tire kicking intentions) and in my perception remarkabley low in the last week. This may or may not be an outcome of EOG: True Sell stage 1
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My emotional regulation and ability to not transfer from call to call is markedly better-but still has a breaking point inside the intensity of my stack and lower performance than normal.
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My presentation confidence is more aligned in a professional sense- I feel I present better in a ‘looking god’ and professional sense. My internal confidence and sense of personal relatedness feels down. I’m having trouble getting under the hood with people, hearing their real sense of things, unpacking things more. Things that are normally brilliant and second nature for more are harder- because it feels like I am met with more reisstance and less engagement than normal.
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My impulse for admin, and follow up is stronger but its yielded no results- I actually have very poor follow up normally- because my energy states- people can find a way back if they value this- I only follow up with high conviction people. I have impeccable integrity in agreement but I don’t engae in formality usually unless I sense its there. In B2C…I find myself now- being pulled to put energy into 'structural increasing the probability by follow up with everyone. This is one of those- logical structures to seal the gaps- vs. my own philosophy energetically things. By letting back go and not following up, I’m stating- this is your chance, I want to work with intentional high conviction people, there will always be another etc… will see how this alters though
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I find myself less automatic which is good and bad, my automaticity is mastery on some level now, something about running this is opening my brain up to being in a more real time conversation with people- which lowers authority-rather than just leading leading leading- but increases real time presence to nuance. I can hear and see thinks which help more.
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it has a little of the flavor of C&C for lead alignment- there is no ‘working’ people- its on or its not- and if its on-people are obsessed. I have gotten a few people talking how much they like me and I’m the reason they want to work with the company. Although a few of those have not converted to sales yet.
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I am much more self concious and less convicted- as the ‘prize’ in interactions- I feel a little like I can slip into overselling so this could be recon
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I can see in moments there is technical mastery in engagement that was not present in previous true sell. I do feel more hooked on converting people who just seem like not good fits than I did previously though
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I feel this is less compatible with the rest of my stack- it has that -‘clean cut’ feel which is great professional- but the skills seem more -‘stiff’ in their transferance to other elements of my life- like more logical-rather than that high sense of personal charisma from OG True Sell. This could be more inference but that’s my experience
Overall metrically- my performance is worse since running it-in terms of new client close -but it did contribute to closing a very large sale- that was effortless and I could tell attributes of the new version contribution that -so more testing to be done still. To be straight in my experience the level of confidence, self belief, and ability to deal with people effectively 'felt 'significantly higher previously- I’m wondering of old version had any Alpha or social scripting and new one does not. If I don’t see a quick turn around soon over the next 4 days I’ll pivot back to my old custom and test the other stages. I’m also aware with newer tech it can take some time before the changes really start to land and sink in.
To be super specific on OG True Sell- I could get ‘under’ people experience and shift my tone and being to match and meet exactly where they were at insanely effectively. I could also hear and reflect in a way where trust melted into place. I feel zero access to that/those super powers on the new version, its more like just speaking and presenting, and engaging really well and professionally
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I think stage 4 seems like the one that deals with more income
Stage 3 or 4 - I close high but can always improve that.
I was testing stage 1 -
I ended up doing 10 seconds of my previous custom cause I was feeling so off. And then close 5 people in a day the next day today. So could be I was in recon or that elements of the new true sell really help, and needed the familiarity of my previous custom to kickstart it.
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I continue to find strong elements of EOG-TS 1 - in ‘feel’ and conversationally -there are elements that are superior to old TS in disposition. However, I find I have less of that killer close instinct and ability in it and my metrics continue to reflect it. When things are aligned, it works well, but my actual closing rate when I run it without the previous custom with TS is signficantly lower. I may need to switch to stage 3 with this new build.
I know I am ‘muddying’ the water here with mixing. But my discernment is strong around this. I will go today and tomorrow with just the new custom EOG: True Sell before reassessing. As of now, the weekend was a complete wash - no sales, low prospects, and it was not just lead quality. I feel less affected by this then I normally would which I like about the new build.
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I am excited about the new Heartsong. The timing is good, as I feel super off over the last few months, with a relationship that didn’t pan out. The way it happened was very odd, too. Running K4, you’d think I’d be less attached, but it only strengthened my desire and sense of having a great partner. And honestly, it all highlighted where I am hyper-independent in reaction to not wanting to deal with unresolved relationship hurt or a sense of loss in not ‘having what I want’ in a relationship or otherwise.
Stage 1 seems perfect for this.
I was also thinking of going back to K3 - it seemed to fit easier into my current life and I wanted the focus on dating abundance. I asked support and they said
Stage 3, clearly, and it isn’t close.
WHY STAGE 3 IS THE ROMANTIC MANIFESTATION STAGE
Khan ST3’s description names it directly. It contains extensive manifestation technology to ensure you are always surrounded by beautiful women who desire to know you, be taken by you, and respond positively to your advances. That is romantic manifestation stated as a headline feature, not inferred.
The rest of the stage is built around the same thing. Extreme raw sexuality described as integral to all your interactions with women, radiating as an aura. Seduction scripting arising from dominance and authority, expanded and optimized, aimed at rapidly seducing those you desire. Intuitive guidance that tells you which women will be most receptive and coaches you through the seduction itself. There’s even a passage on the “deer in headlights” reaction becoming commonplace.
So Stage 3 is the stage where Khan’s romantic pull is the point rather than a consequence.
WHAT STAGE 4 ACTUALLY ADDS
You’re right that Stage 3’s content is inside Stage 4 - ST4 is described as combining Total Reprogramming and Total Action along with its own additional features.
But look at what those additional features are. ST4 adds rapid intuitive decision-making, complete independence and self-sufficiency, and extensive social and professional manifestation for expanding your network and making strategic connections. Social and professional. Not romantic.
So the romantic scripting in ST4 is inherited rather than emphasized, and it’s now one thread among many in a much wider build. Stage 3 points nearly everything at that outcome; Stage 4 spreads the same material across decision-making, independence, networking and life alignment.
That’s your answer on potency and speed. Not because ST4 is weaker, but because romance is a smaller share of a larger build.
IF ROMANCE IS THE CURRENT PRIORITY
Then Stage 3 is the stage for it. It’s where the dedicated manifestation, the sexual aura and the seduction guidance all sit at full weight rather than sharing the build with independence and professional networking.
Worth deciding deliberately which you want from Khan right now, because the two stages genuinely pull toward different outcomes - and it sounds like you already observed that in practice before you asked the question."
Then I asked
It says in the copy that Stage 4 is the stage where romantic abundance really starts to show? So I get K3 is more focused but it really is exponentially that much strong for romance the K4?
and they said
Hello,
Your reading of the copy is correct, and it changes the ranking I gave you.
STAGE 4 IS THE ROMANTIC ABUNDANCE STAGE
"Khan’s Stage 4 section states it plainly: this is the stage where true romantic abundance begins to show, and as you continue listening, more and more women will become affected - and on a vastly deeper level.
It also says the sexual and social dominance in Khan Complete have been dialed to the maximum and will push you to make use of it. Maximum, at Stage 4.
So Stage 4 is stronger for romance, not weaker. Stage 3 has the dedicated manifestation line I quoted, but Stage 4 contains that material and then raises dominance to its ceiling on top of it. Your own experience and the reports you’ve seen from others line up with what the page says.
Which answers your last question directly: Stage 4 for attracting the most women, Stage 4 for going out and meeting them, and Stage 4 for the right woman specifically - because the alignment function is what brings your relationships into line with the life you’re actually building."
So I’m not exactly clear- as I can see the smaller scripting and focus
@SaintSovereign Between K3 and 4, which is the best for the highest level of abundance, opportunity with women, full attraction, and seduction? What about the fastest-acting for it?
I want to run one of them with HS Stage 1
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