Always getting capped at 30s with subs, anyone else?

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#35

There you got your pattern…not doing enough…i know this so much…for me it is if i am not doing enough, not pushing myself enough, i am not worthy…when i am not suffering, i am not doing enough

I am finally getting to a happy, comfortable life and my parents dont understand me at all anymore…they keep telling me, that in life you have to push yourself…that doing things you dont like to do (all the shoulds) is part of life…

For me, khan changed that i stopped overexposing myself massively…and lovebomb put it further so that i just listen as much so that i dont experience any recon anymore. I am done with leading a life in heavy recon. My life changes fast enough when i am doing good. Subs are a toop so my life gets better, not something for me to fuck myself up.

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#36

That definitely echoes my own experiences of how all this works. Now to just stay on 30s because I know that’s the sweet spot for me right now.

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#37

So this discussion is :face_with_monocle::face_with_monocle: funny most people in that thread or community didn’t know about set and forget method we were usually listening to hours hours in a day . That was the industry overall then subliminal club upgraded the game to a much different one 15 minutes loops … Use that it’s just 15 minutes not 12 or 18 hours. 15 minutes and your mind will execute beautifully and at the same time you Train your mind to deal with that level of information . But 30 second and when you increase it to one minute you get recon . Hit the 15 minutes buddy…

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#38

You have to be careful saying stuff like this. That’s your personal experience with 15 minutes. I’m not as impressionable but you could very well lead someone else down a road of frustration.

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#39

I mean, nothing is stopping you even from adding 1 sec each time - there are hundreds of pages of the script compressed into 15 min track, surely there’s going to be some comprehensible (to your subconscious) input in even 1 sec.

Also, make sure to take more action in order to allign yourself more with the objective. This might be blocking your progress. I thought I take enough action but once I clarified my framework, I realized that I basically did nothing lol

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#40

Yeah, I’ve seen that lots of times on the forums. People running microloops and getting bad recon.

On the other hand, I’ve experienced myself my mind accommodating to more and more subliminal input (proceeding in accordance with sweet spot method) really fast multiple times. However, we need to remember what Fire mentioned above:

and proceed cautiously.

Knowing your reconciliation cycle is key here.

:snowflake:

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#41

Just going straight into 15 minutes loops can easily lead to stonewalling which IMO is often worse than “normal” recon, as nothing moves at all anymore for a while.

Starting with micro loops and very slowly increasing is good and recommended.

Regarding recon: In my experience one factor a bit underdiscussed is how/if you expect recon. As with many aspects subliminal recon can give a lot of projection space for FUD. If I sit alone at home, listen to a sub and waiting for recon to hit, “recon” will hit. (probably with a good bit of autosuggestion)

To change my attitude towards recon/subs in the beginning it helped me to listen to my favourite music, watch ARCHER (my TV happy place) or enjoy a lovely choco tartelette while listening to it. Scent often helps too.

Even better’s listening to a sub and going straight into action taking. (e. g. listening to a social sub and heading straight to a party with friends.) And not thinking about the sub at all, but concentrating on the (party) action.

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#42

I never experienced stonewalling on ZP and I’ve run almost 50% what’s on the store in ZP, trying various listening patterns. Yet, we’re all unique. :blush:

What people mistake for stonewalling is reconciliation fog that clouds our results’ perception.

:snowflake:

#43

This is definitely something I haven’t considered, thank you. I’ve probably got a lot of conditioning and bad associations that could use rewiring to make the whole event of listening to the subs feel good vs preparing for battle.

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#44

Some might. For me stonewalling is different. (I had it a couple of months shortly after the introduction of ZP while “overdosing”.) I had bad recon, listened to even more subs, the recon vanished, I (relatively suddenly) had a pretty clear mind (I’ve a lot of experience with brainfog), so no recon, but also no results, no feeling of “the subconscious is working on something”, no pressure inside the mind. Nothing of the sort. It was a weird and quite distinct feeling. A bit like a mental lane closure.

So, yeah, we are all pretty unique.

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#45

Just wanted to say I appreciate everyone’s input on this. I have some challenges I face when it comes to the subs and I always have. It’s been a long process trying to figure out what personally works best for me. I absolutely get results but the balance is pretty skewed and I’m in recon land more often than just enjoying life so I’ve been looking to change that.

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#46

Like @Hoppa, who gets great results despite the fact he “feels nothing” on subs.

Reconciliation fog is even trickier than the lawyer’s game when we get classical recon.

:snowflake:

#47

Really kinda hard to compare these kinds of very personal experiences.

If I remember correctly @Hoppa listened to it according to recommendations, one sub, trusting the process. I was sub hopping, not sure what would work for me and overdosing. Really not comparable. And a gazzilion other factors (for me e. g. a very stubborn critical factor, tendencies to overthink). It was not reconciliation fog. It felt like a weird partly shutdown in internal communication for a several week/months.

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#48

I’ve had this so I know what you’re talking about. In my case I have different parts of my mind. Someone in there will pull the plug entirely if I overdo it. Then to prevent further harm essentially close down the bridge of communication.

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#49

Yes. It felt very much like an emergency stress response.

To be clear: It was harmless. After a month long washout the process normalized. Never had it again.

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#50

This right there. I am so happy that I discovered this place after they figured out how to make 15m loops work, because I certainly don’t have the logistics to listen to headphones for 10+ hours a day…

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#51

I know this might be long but thought this also maybe useful for you!

So one time I came across someone showing a study of participants where one group where bad with dealing with stress and had physical symptoms related to it. And the other group were really good at dealing with it like it really didn’t phase them so much and where physically healthy too. The interesting thing was that both groups had similar amounts of stress in their lives like same job roles for example.

Eventually once the study was complete, what they concluded was that the group who handled stress really well, viewed the response in their body and mind in an entirely different frame. And what they believed was that stress is good for you and so you can enjoy and welcome it because it’s a sign of growth in one form or another. Now, this has helped me tremendously when dealing with recon because embracing it seems to be the key!

I’m curious as to what your thoughts are on this?

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#52

If you have felt apathetic and “spineless”, it might have been reconciliation that oftentimes results in reconciliation fog. I’ve had periods of reconciliation like that before. However, it might have been a totally different experience given what you wrote.

:snowflake:

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#53

It wasn’t apathic recon. (I know exactly which one you mean. :slight_smile:) It was quite different, with more clarity and energy as the draining black hole was cut off for a while. I wouldn’t rule out a correlation with other stress aspects.

It is overall a bit difficult to discuss these mechanics. We probably all have slightly differing connotations for the terms we use here based on our personal experiences.

And to describe aspects like recon or stonewalling as clearly and detailed as possible often let them seem much bigger than they actually are. The stonewalling wasn’t that bad, more a noteworthy mechanic than an noteworthy event.

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#54

I believe this. I somewhat understood that from this old quote:

The greatest discovery of my generation is that human beings can alter their lives, by altering their attitudes of mind

I think this is the research paper you were talking about (maybe I’m wrong). Its from 2004

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