Always getting capped at 30s with subs, anyone else?

[Sub.Zero]

@Fractal_Explorer

So I’m more likely to end up brute forcing things.

There’s no such a thing on ZP, especially now, with the NSE.

@Fractal_Explorer

Yeah my problem is I have a tendency to not recognize when recon is bad because there’s not enough contrast in my life for it to be immediately obvious.

It’s bad when you cannot handle it or when it has a negative impact on the key areas of your life like your relationships, for example.

[Leandros]

Be kind to yourself and do 30 second loops

What works, works

It simple

[Bull_of_Shiva_999]

In my first ever 3 weeks with the subs (i didn’t know about the microloops yet) i did full 15 minutes i listen Emperor every other day (some days 2 loops).

-Did i get a crazy recon?
-Nope.
-Did i get some recon?
-Yes.
-Was it more than i could handle?
-Nope.

My point is don’t worry about it so much and just YOLO it.

[Fractal_Explorer]

@Evolver

well you haven’t tried it so you wont know till then.

What other brain subs did you use in the past?

I am trying to understand because you said the processing bleeds into the next day. Sounds like if hardware is upgraded sensitivity will decrease automatically.

None really. You do raise a good point. I’ll consider that avenue.

It’s complicated. I write a lot of theories from time to time as a result of just trying to figure out how to get the subs to work best for me. But to me there’s two types of processing. There’s purely cognitive processing, where you’re trying to solve a problem or utilize brain power to enact some life changes. Then there’s emotional processing. An upgrade in hardware won’t necessarily effect the emotional processing capacity if that’s born out of deep defense mechanisms. It’s not a manner of more power or capacity, but communication and understanding. I don’t know if that makes more sense?

@Sub.Zero

There’s no such a thing on ZP, especially now, with the NSE.

I’m talking about brute forcing my life just to be clear. You absolutely can still brute force your emotional responses into submission. It has nothing to do with ZP, just dysfunctional emotional regulation which is something I’ve struggled with for years.

@Sub.Zero

It’s bad when you cannot handle it or when it has a negative impact on the key areas of your life like your relationships, for example.

Outer metrics are probably more useful for me to take note of moving forward vs internal experiences. So you raise a good point here.

[Fractal_Explorer]

Lol noooooo. 15 minutes would destroy me. Before we had micro loops and 15 minutes was the standard for everyone I’d listen to subs and I’d almost pass out. The next day I’d do weird stuff like put my phone in the refrigerator, drop words from a sentence, walk into things, etc. Some serious overload, I don’t want to revisit that again. Yolos have gotten me into a lot of trouble.

[Evolver]

@Fractal_Explorer

An upgrade in hardware won’t necessarily effect the emotional processing capacity if that’s born out of deep defense mechanisms. It’s not a manner of more power or capacity, but communication and understanding. I don’t know if that makes more sense?

I totally understand. But again look at this from QL st1

@SaintSovereign

This transformation goes beyond mere surface-level improvements; it delves into the very core of your physiological makeup. It involves the intricate rewiring of your neural patterns,

@SaintSovereign

you’ll break free from the invisible chains that have long held you back: the deep-seated limiting beliefs and the lingering emotional wounds that have subtly shaped your perceptions and reactions. Quantum Re-Balance is meticulously engineered to not only identify these hidden barriers but to actively work towards dissolving them, liberating you from their grasp.
The process is akin to a meticulous cleansing of the mind, where every negative belief and every scar from past emotional traumas is addressed and healed. This healing isn’t just surface-level; it’s deep and thorough, reaching into the core of your being to free you from the restraints you may not have even realized were there.

[Evolver]

[Fractal_Explorer]

Ok I will seriously consider this. I know trauma physically alters the brain and depression as well. And I’ve had a looooot of that in my life. Maybe it is time for an upgrade so I can get more benefits from the subs.

[MechaShaman]

Wow that sounds very interesting! I was wondering how paragon may also help with rewiring the brain after lovong in trauma patterns for the first 30 years of my life.

Also @Fractal_Explorer its interesting that you also are stuggeling woth emotional regulation…for me ot starts to work out after now 2 years of somatic experiecing theraphy…but it takes time to fully embody all that.
I can very very deeply recommend the 5 personality patterns by stehen kessler…working through it currently and its the best book i have envountered yet in how trauma alters our emotional system!

[Bull_of_Shiva_999]

@Fractal_Explorer

The next day I’d do weird stuff like put my phone in the refrigerator

LOL.

I am ofc not saying do 15 minutes, just stop worrying that’s all.

[Fractal_Explorer]

I’ll check it out!

A lot of my journey with trauma is actually erasing a bunch of toxic positivity behaviors and new age magical thinking coping I picked up when younger. I’ve had to really look at myself and be like “look you’re a physical being, you have to acknowledge how that plays into all these difficulties, you can’t quantum leap into a life where this doesn’t exist”. I hung around a lot of forums where victim blaming and shaming was thrown around or that people wanted to be ill or struggle. It was nasty. There was such a divide between privileged individuals who got what they wanted through LoA and those who struggled and were ostracized. I’ve never seen as much toxicity as in the new age communities tbh.

It’s impossible to change if there’s constant denial of what is actually wrong. I love subliminals and what they can aid us in doing. But it does hurt sometimes coming to terms with everything. I know it’s necessary though.

[MechaShaman]

Wonderful words!

This also something i am currently thinking about…where is the line between magical thinking and creating your own reality? This is also where i struggeled then…when reality doesnt change…its you who doesnt believe enough or eathever…victim shaming again…

I personally believe that the foundation is to come with terms with what is…only then change can happen.

But what we see here at subclub is that indeed we can shape a lot of our physical reality…what i have read in the paragon thread was quite impressive.

The thing i know from my yogic studies is that physical reality simply changes the slowest…but it is possible.

Edit: @Fractal_Explorer i just wondered: have you ever experimented with listening to the 30 second loops more often? Like everyday? Or twice a day?

[Fractal_Explorer]

So much the same. I want to challenge my limits, but I don’t want to get my head so far up in the clouds I lose grounding.

I think that is why ZP is important. That tunneling to your core self and from that core self the life unfolds outward. But getting there can be tough because we don’t always like to acknowledge the truths of who we are.

I have tried 30s every day, it wasn’t for me. I faced the same overexposure/overload patterns. 30s is enough sometimes to have me processing day of and into the next day. It’s kinda crazy how such a short loop is so dense for me. I can feel it as it passes through phases in my mind too. From surface level then downward, each level is like a different world. Some accessible to me, some deeper unknown areas I just feel but can’t really interact with.

[WinglissStark]

Have you tried this yourself or know anyone that has and worked for them? I ask this becuase if it works I definitely need this.

[WorldOvertaker]

why not just add 5-10 sec at a time, or even less?

Also, how long have you been sticking to the same stack?

[aaa]

• Can you share more about your listening pattern? For instance, if you usually listen in the morning, try switching to 1 (or 45 sec) minute before bed to see if it makes a difference.

• Based on your experience, it might be best to stick with 30 seconds for a longer period, like a year. This could help your system fully process the subs without risking overload.

• Keep a detailed journal of your subliminal listening habits and any changes in mood or behavior. This can help you spot signs of overload earlier.

• If you decide to increase your exposure in the future, do it gradually—add just 5 seconds at a time and monitor how you feel.

[Evolver]

It works for me
i have use QL st1 to completely improve my mental limits. I couldn’t cross 5 to 7 minutes. Now it is more than 10minutes for most subs.

[Fire]

People like to freak out over not having mind-blowing energetic experiences or not having to listen for hours a day, almost as if they believe real changes cannot come without extreme suffering or pushing themselves to the limit.

Fancy energetic experiences don’t matter. You can get one by just focusing on your finger for an hour straight - it’s nothing special. Can get it from any YouTube modality of self-improvement. It’s easy.

Extreme suffering or forcing yourself is also not necessary - what’s necessary is the proper dosage, dependent on each individual’s unique inner makeup.

Actual real results and transformation is what matters. If you’re getting changes on 30 seconds, enjoy it, and if you want to increase it for experimentation sake, do it slowly with a couple seconds here and there - but there’s no need if you’re getting good results.

Good results always trump any self-made ideas, concepts, wild experimentations, fancy phenomena, etc. Use that as your core metric.

[Fractal_Explorer]

I was under the impression it had to be done in 30s increments.

Oh boy my stack. Well I’ve been on HoT for about 5 months now. Genesis for the last two. Prior to that it was Phoenix instead of Genesis. I’ve been pretty consistent. I might have to look back on my journal to see patterns of what was working for me.

[Fractal_Explorer]

@Fire

almost as if they believe real changes cannot come without extreme suffering or pushing themselves to the limit.

This is the heart of my issue. Logically I know this isn’t the case but I’m stuck in patterns of doing this to myself because it’s all I’ve known for most of my life.

Is there anything you’d recommend running that could squash that so I don’t impulsively keep doing it? I just went through my journal and I wrote this exact same experience months ago so apparently awareness isn’t enough for me. There’s something else causing this.

And trust me I realize how dumb it is to keep making the same mistake over and over but not learning from it.