[ADVANCED] Subliminals will never change you

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When I discovered subliminals roughly three years ago, I wasn‘t happy with how things were going. I wanted to change my character, my archetype. The deep-down truth was that I did not like myself, so I wanted to run subs to become a different person, a cooler version of myself.

After three years of running subliminals, my life is cooler but I am not a different archetype. I am ME. More ME than before. One of the more common remarks I get from people whom I have not seen in years is „WOW you really have not changed a bit“.

So when subliminals do not change you, what are they doing then?

This is obviously all my opinion and you are more than welcome to challenge my view in the comments.

There seems to be a core personality that is pretty much set in stone. It involves everything from your true desires, your true dislikes, real traits, quirks, talents and especially INSTINCTS. Whatever you do, this core personality ALWAYS shines through. Doesn‘t matter if you are sitting at your desk alone studying or socializing with people, the core personality is always there and the most visible part. It is the personality we develop as an early child (maybe are even born with). In the diagram above, everything blue indicates „your core“, see the bold line.

Now when you grow older, society and toxins fuck you up both mentally and physically. You get shamed, traumatized and poisoned and because you do not have the maturity to properly deal with it, you develop a mask, multiple masks around your true personality to guard you against further attacks. Those are indicated by the red and orange lines around your core in the diagram above.

And now comes my first controversial statement:

I think people actually LIKE their masks and DISLIKE their true personality.

Let me repeat this,

We are all so depressed that deep down we want to KEEP the masks, and GET RID of our true personality. If you did not like your masks, you would have dropped them already, and if you truly accepted your character, there is a high chance that you would not have discovered subliminalclub in the first place.

The problem is that we often have such a strong dislike (even if we are not consciously aware of it) that we are willing to go such extreme measures and deliberately overexpose ourselves with the deepest hope to finally turn into a KHAN or an EMPEROR that way, replacing our old unwanted, “not-so-cool” personality. If you truly accept and like yourself, there would be no reason to overexposure yourself. And if you do overexposure yourself because you do not like your character, then you are deliberately trying to harm yourself! Subliminals from subliminal club are in no way dangerous, but the act alone of brute-forcing yourself trying to download a new character is a form of SELF-HARM and an expression of SELF-HATE.

You will never succeed either way because subliminals seem to be able to only do three things:

  • enhance parts of yourself that you already (partially) embody
  • “manifest” situations
  • get rid of the “fake” masks you build around your core

Those three things are great and immensely valuable, but none of them will turn you into another person. When you look at the diagram above and imagine that the two circles represent a person, you will notice that both would be nearly identical. The „after subs“ one, would be more authentic, attractive, successful, happier, fulfilled, less depressed but that’s about it - they are 98,9% the same person.

Get it through your head, subliminals will never change YOU. Who you are as a person. You better accept the fact that you will have to deal with yourself for the rest of your life and there is nothing you can do about it. There might be a list of things that are subjectively or objectively “not optimal“ with your character, and you have to deal with it. The earlier you accept that you cannot change who you are and subliminals won‘t do either, the better it is.

Step 1: Be honest with yourself, realize your quirks and potential „shortcomings“
Step 2: Accept that you cannot change what is part of you, and that you have to accept your character
Step 3: Find ways to better live with it

Does this mean that everything is permanent? Fuck No! But this approach will free you from any dependency. And now you can use subliminals in the way they are intended to be — as a guiding voice.

See subliminals as your personal coach for a certain discipline. It is just like in real life:

  • First you need to decide what sport you wanna play — tennis, hockey, football? You cannot choose the right coach if you do not know what game you wanna play.
  • It only makes sense to get a coach, if you are already dedicated to a sport. His purpose is not to motivate you to start playing a sport, but to critically watch, assess, analyze and help you improve when and especially after you played a game.
  • You cannot talk with your coach 24/7 because you actually need to PLAY games so that your coach can help you. Prove to your coach that you are willing to put in the work on your own, and then once a week have a talk with your coach, which will push you to even greater heights the next week.

If you cannot limit yourself to 3 subliminals, you are likely having a deep sense of dissatisfaction in many areas of your life. You are desiring to change everything quickly trying hard to not accept yourself. This will lead to misery.

Realize that running more loops will not bring you greater results. If you accept who you are, you will not want to harm yourself, and then there will be no reason to expose yourself to greater amounts of reconciliation with no added benefit. For most only 1 loop a week will be the sweet spot, you do not need more.

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Good perspective on the things.

Subliminals remove the shit that’s preventing your “true self” to shine through to the world.

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Good perspective. I mostly agree.
What I think the archetypes subs do, at least if you’re doing it right is to manifest YOU as that archetype.
It might not be able to change the base you, but if you change the beliefs around a bit, we all can be an emperor or a khan.
However, me as an emperor will look and act differently than you as an emperor because our base personality is different. The archetype will manifest every time given enough time running the sub. We just seem to have some pre conceived notions about what thats supposed to look like, and aren’t taking individually into account.
Some of us are thinking about it backwards and trying to force ourselves into an archetype, and what the subs do is put the archetype into us.

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My experience is the exact opposite, and I’m sure there are people who can relate with me.
I’ve had people literally tell me that I’m a completely different person, lol… after a couple months

How do you explain that?

It’s seems to me like your entire post is a reflection of what you’ve experienced throughout your own subliminal journey, life and introspection, and you’re making the jump that it also applies to everyone else. You keep saying “we” and “you”.

Who is we? I’m sure as hell not depressed lol

Who is we? I have never deliberately overexposed myself to SubClub subs.

Who is “you”? Are you talking to me? Because I’ve already changed myself as a person with the help of subliminals lol

Do you have any examples, of this core personality? You said that it’s a personality that we develop as an early child/born with. Is there any evidence for that? I didn’t know that fetuses have personalities. I think I know what you’re alluding to for example, with pre-natal testosterone and it’s influence on personality traits… but none of that is as full fledged as what you’re proposing, such as “true desires, your true dislikes, real traits, quirks, talents” etc.

What is the difference between a desire, and a “true” desire?
Or a trait vs a “real” trait".

I often see stuff like:

“How long is it going to take for me to become a Khan?”
"Who is an example of a real life Khan?"etc

What even is a KHAN/EMPEROR and how does it relate to tangible goals, development, skills, or mindset? It seems to me that there is too much focus on an archetype around here but it’s not broken down enough. It’s like chasing something without even truly knowing what you’re chasing

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I am stunned! Your commonsense and logic far out does any professional I ever had to deal with in all my life!

I am sure you don’t place all the weight on this one, but that is a fallacy.

For example, old friends (although I see them regularly) still make the remark that “you’ll be playing video games all day when you have the time right?” (years ago, bro. Years ago, last time I played for more than 20 minutes was in 2018 or smth).
They don’t even know I have a business. Well they do, but somehow they seem to ignore it because they never ask anything. Probably think it’s not working.

Either way, you’re making the mistake of
OUTER PERCEPTION on you.
and
INNER PERCEPTION of you.

People will put you in drawers all your life simply because its less mentally taxing to do than re-assessing friends every time you see them.

I give zero shits on what anyone thinks of who I am, because I KNOW who I am.

Other than that, I agree with what @Skadoosh said.

HOWEVER,
it is true, especially with ZP, that subs bring out more of your true core.
SIMPLY, because your subconscious has its own interpretations of what “alpha” “masculine” “good sex” “a lot of money” “success” actually is.

While I think being Stark is like Steve Jobs, for someone else it might be Gary Vaynerchuksomethingorother
Both very successful, both very different.

I think Saint and Fire gave the subs names to make them more relatable and give them a DIRECTION of what they do, but after all, they just ENHANCE YOUR version of what you want to be. Or reveal parts of your core personality, and killing masks (which is where we agree).

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Yep!

I’ve been using SC subs for over 2 years now, and this idea tracks with my experience. Subs don’t change who I am, they just help change the baggage that exists between “me” and the world.

Imagine you’re going to an event, and on the way there something happens to you.

Someone says something nice to/about you… an attractive person compliments you or otherwise shows interest, someone you respect says something nice about your accomplishments, etc. Whatever it is, you feel amazing.

OR

Someone you respect (or fear) says something nasty to you. Maybe your significant other yells at you, or you have a fight. Maybe your boss calls and reams you out over some issue. Maybe a cop having a bad day pulls you over for no real reason and gives you a hard time. Whatever it is, you feel like SH*T.

You’re the same you, but you’ll most likely act differently at the event following each of those scenarios. Because you’ve brought some new baggage… in one case it’s good baggage, but it still colors your actions, mindset, etc.

As far as the differing perceptions of what is “alpha”, while some people continue to labor under the ridiculous notion that “alpha” means being a combative a$$hole, I feel it’s much more aligned with the contrast between a “man” and an “adult male”. Gender-specificity notwithstanding, the same concept applies to females, but the “aggressive man-child” archetype seems much more common than any female counterpart… I digress.

Since I’ve been running Emperor ZP, I’ve become more of “myself”… and my default state is not terribly social… lol… this is probably the longest time I’ve spent on the forum in weeks.

So… yep.

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