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#746

Day 29 washout day 7 (I think)

So yeah, I’ve been busting my fucking ASS approaching and sacrificing a lot of time and energy to it. I sometimes don’t even eat well on some days because of it. I’ve gotten around 10 numbers, have generated a lot of attraction, but still almost all of them don’t reply. I’m talking with 2 right now, have a date planned for Sunday morning, but she could easily flake. And yeah I’ve been doing this all by myself, no wingmen or anything. I’ve taken a lot of rejections, lots of “I have a boyfriend” or “i’m not looking for anything right now” etc. Like I’ve really been gearing my life toward getting good at this, so if I’m sensitive about the subject, maybe now you understand. I’ve gotten really good at reading women and at staying in conversations, and conversating in general. And the first approach of the day is still always scary. Today I walked back and forth for like 15 minutes before finally approaching a girl who was working on her laptop, and thankfully the convo went very well but she did have a bf. I could’ve gotten her number but I decided not to because I actually felt bad about it, like her bf sounds cool and yeah, I have a conscience. But doing this can still be very frustrating, sad, and demoralizing. I still haven’t even kissed a girl since 2019. But whatever, just saying this for the record and as a little update. Things are overall good and I’ve built a lot of momentum. Maybe Primal Seduction would be better for approaching like this, but ChatGPT has said Wanted + SSX are more congruent with my personality and goals, and I have a new Wanted/SSX custom coming in, and it should really boost things. And btw I don’t even approach as much as I think I should, really only like 3-5 women a day (longer convos I mean), but I do have shorter interactions with many women.

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#747

Day 1 (?)

30 sec Wanted, 30 sec SSX.

#748

First of all congratulations for the courage, and the discipline to do what you are doing. Very few could do it. I wish you the best in this journey, and I hope that your date went well.

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#749

Day 3

30 sec New Wanted/SSX custom.

#750

Thanks man, was gonna say it went pretty well, feeling kinda low right now though as I’m coming off the high of the weekend. Sort of trying to force approaches at a mall right now.

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#751

I am happy for you, man; I hope it will yield its fruit soon.

Since when do you approach daily? How are the results so far? Daygame could be tough sometimes, but with perseverance you can always see the light.

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#752

Thanks, me too lol. Well when I was about to turn 30, I decided to do 75-100 approaches before that, and I was terrible but I think it helped desensitize me. Then I was very on and off about it over the last couple years, sometimes approaching a lot, sometimes not at all. But recently, I’ve been approaching almost daily for around 4 weeks I think. The results have been pretty good, I did get an instant date a few weeks ago which went very well but I accidentally didn’t add her number in my phone lol -_-…then went on that date Sunday morning which also seemed to go very well though we haven’t talked since Sunday night. And I’ve gotten quite a few numbers, just got another today, but the 2 approaches before her were kinda crappy, I think mainly because of my state (I’ve had a headache since last night, but I’m good now since I took ibuprofen). Also I ran my new custom for the first time today (only 30 seconds). For me I actually find daygame easier, because with night game girls can be meaner and you have to yell over the noise which I hate doing, and yeah I never really liked the bar/club environment. It might be worth trying to get good at it though. So yeah today i did 4 approaches, 1 number.

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#753

Honestly, I’m planning to do exactly what you’re doing. Because if you just rely on “normal circumstances” work, hobbies, social circles the pool is so limited. Most people barely meet anyone new unless life randomly throws them someone. So I like the idea of actively creating those opportunities instead of waiting.

And yeah, I totally agree with you about nightgame. I never really vibed with bars or clubs either… the noise, the yelling, and sometimes the attitude. Online isn’t much better. Daygame is brutal in its own way, but at least you can still find some genuine gems out there.

And damn, the number you forgot to save… :sweat_smile: I felt that one for you. That’s painful, man, I’m sorry.

By the way, have you noticed any difference in your approaches before vs. after using subliminals? Are people different ?

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#754

Yeah, actually hobbies is a good place to meet women though I personally haven’t really done it (but I should). Yes, depending on the subs I’m running I notice a difference. I’ve been running different seduction stacks since August 2023 lol, so that alone probably gives me a far more seductive aura/energy/way of being etc. I think I’ve personally gotten the best results from combinations of WB (but that always gave me sometimes pretty heavy recon, and sometimes I wouldn’t realize how heavy it was till i switched subs or washed out), Wanted (especially New Wanted), and SSX. There were lots of other stacks I ran like PS + OG Wanted, Khan + OG Wanted, Khan + Primal (I think), Primal Seduction + Primal Nights (which I think has potential), but it seems New Wanted + SSX hits the sweet spot of generating attraction AND motivating me to go out and actively “game” with manageable recon. With WB i’d often get lazy. With Khan I was actually motivated and got pretty good results, but I had a much crappier dating framework/method/format at the time. Now I have a pretty good conversational framework, like tools I use and things I say depending on what the girl says (like if she says she has a bf etc.), and honestly it doesn’t always work most of the time, but that’s probably because I’m not creating enough comfort/rapport in those instances, so I do have some tweaking to do. Also it depends on the girl, like if she’s with a guy but not passionate about him or the relationship itself is kinda meh on and off, those are the girls the lines work well on.

But yeah sry, there’s a lot to say lol, but yes depending on the subs I’m running I seem to get different reactions. Primal was/felt fun, but honestly I don’t think I got a lot of romantic attraction on it. Or like other stacks like WB + RotNW or something else I’d get attraction but wouldn’t care to act on it. But yeah I’m not sure if the lack of desire to act was just because I wasn’t confident about my “approach format” back then or the subs themselves, know what I mean?

So basically what I’m saying is yes I notice a difference but I’ve also just learned through experience itself and lots of stuff I’ve learned online, so it’s hard to differentiate between the subs vs the experience/knowledge I’ve acquired during this “journey”. One thing that pops into mind though is during spring and early summer I was running a WB + RotNW custom for a while and switched to PS + Primal Nights and I remember for the first few days I got flirtatious looks from almost every girl I walked by. I’m not sure if that was caused by PS or if it was WB/RotNW executing.

Anyway sorry for this longwinded response, like I’m so focused on just getting results now using the methods I use now that I don’t really think about the past, but in short I’d say: yes, I have noticed a difference in my approaches and luck/timing since using subs.

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#755

What a wonderful review.

So regular Primal felt good for approach anxiety and overall well-being, but it wasn’t the big attractant.

We’re starting to see a pattern in your stacks. I remember one member using Primal Night as a booster for his seduction stack right before going out. So I’m still wondering if it was your WB + ROTNW, or if it was the PN Aura kicking in when everyone was so into you.

Have you tried Genesis to get the Love Bomb + Libertine aura? It’s pretty close to Primal Night mixed with Love Bomb.

Can we talk in DM about what made your daygame better, etc ?

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#756

Yes, exactly, like it felt good and helped inwardly but from what I recall didn’t yield as much noticeable results in the attractant department as other seduction subs (though that might’ve just been for me, others might get awesome attractant results with it).

Right, it was PS + PN btw.

Haven’t tried Genesis at all actually, I always wanted to and have it, but never ran it. Yeah sure you can DM me.

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#757

Day 5

1:02 min Wanted/SSX custom.

#758

Day 7

2 min Wanted/SSX custom.

Edit: Ugh so I did have 6 girls whose numbers I had, but none of them have replied (including the girl I went on a date with). I approached 4-5 girls today, all of them said they had a bf, and yeah. It was painful. I may have gotten a bit impatient while approaching just because of the depressing texting situation (with the 6 girls). I’m like at a low right now. I felt awesome like a week or two ago, now this shit. Honestly it feels like shit. Idk what happened. But whatever, my rule was to keep approaching at least 5 women a day, and maybe take a day off if it gets to be too much. Also I’ve broken out a little bit (acne), maybe from the stress, so I’m like still approaching even with a breakout. This is fucking hard. Wondering if PS would be a better sub for what I’m doing. Anyway sorry for the venting. It’s crazy how you can be so sure girls like you, and then it just goes nowhere. And again, I fucking have no one to lean on, I sort of told my brother I was doing this but he was yelling and scolding me while I was driving about other shit. Just goddamn.

Anyway, to end on a positive note… idk. It’s like I’ve been cursed or something. I just want some intimacy with a girl who fits my preferences, is that too much to fucking ask for? There’s all sorts of guys out there who “don’t deserve a girl” but have one (or several), but me? Oh no, can’t let this guy have a girl.

Okay sorry again, to anyone reading this. I’m gonna continue approaching, 3-5 girls a day at least. I have had good interactions, but it’s almost like I’m afraid to ask for a number or anything now because I’m like afraid to take another rejection or “i have a bf” or whatever else. But I’m gonna keep fucking going anyways. :muscle:

#759

I can tell you for a fact that even “professional pickup artists” have what might be considered low percentage rates. If you approach 100 women and get 5 dates, you’re probably doing well.

The approaches that you’re doing are a chance for you to build persistence, determination, emotional self-regulation, and social skills. One way I know some have kept up their morale is to focus their goal as self-improvement rather than getting dates (or numbers, or sex, etc.). By doing so, they focus on what they can control (their learning process) rather than what they can’t control (an outcome dependent on another person’s behavior that they can’t control).

In other words, having an internal locus of control rather than an external locus of control.

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#760

For sure, thank you. Needed to hear this honestly.

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#761

Day 8 rest

Ok, so I might do no approaches today, but we’ll see. Had a few crappy interactions, I think maybe I’m pushing too hard, maybe giving off a needy vibe, coupled with maybe recon from the custom.

#762

Perhaps this might help:

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#763

Day 9

3 min Wanted/SSX custom.

#764

Day 11

3 min Wanted/SSX custom

#765

Day 13

1 min Wanted/SSX custom, 30 sec Dream Boy.