A Chorus Has Risen (SaintSovereign Journal)

[Sub.Zero]

@Viktor

The problem with anti recon is that, after more than half a year of continuous use, it’ll be guaranteed to become less useful for most people. It’s borderline useless after you get no recon at all.

Unless you have a deep seated recon that requires more than half to a full year to solve, the new anti recon scripting should be enough.

I’ve been using subs for years, I can handle insane amounts of exposure with no recon whatsoever but I greatly benefit from the new tech and not because of the part for which it was called “anti-recon”. This tech not only smoothes out recon (which I don’t need so much, anyhow) but, as @Uber_Elysium said, it optimizes it, making the shifts not only rapid but very very profound. Don’t make the mistake thinking that if you get little to no recon you wouldn’t benefit from it.

Moreover, I don’t think “anti-recon” is a fortunate term for the new tech. I called it Blitzkieg as it helps reconcile really deep “issues” and really fast. I’m going to share how profound a shift happened in me yesterday on the new tech on the other thread (ZP discussion) later on. I would like to see more of Blitzkrieg in action before even trying to decide if I need more or less of it. Remeber, recon is a natural part of the process and it will always be there, having Blitzkrieg at our disposal helps us capitalize on recon to an incredible degree in terms of the quanity and quality of inner shifts.

[Jouissance]

Checks out

[Saiyan4Blue]

@Viktor had the genius idea of including it with Ascension Chamber, self explanatory. I would like to expand on it by suggesting adding them to LBFH and Genesis Art of Happiness since they are free and a great addition to any stack.

Edit: Recon goes beyond discomfort, not taking action or being overwhelmed by over exposure. I was not particularly in any noticeable recon before using new True Social with Anti recon features but it did so much by eliminating recon weeds before they could sprout, which lead to mind blowing efficiency and breakthroughs in less than few days. The recourses i would usually spend keeping my mind and emotions in check were spent somewhere far more productive, and pleasant

[Sub.Zero]

@Saiyan4Blue

@Viktor had the genius idea of including it with Ascension Chamber, self explanatory. I would like to expand on it by suggesting adding them to LBFH and Genesis Art of Happiness since they are free and a great addition to any stack.

100%

[Viktor]

@Sub.Zero

Don’t make the mistake thinking that if you get little to no recon you wouldn’t benefit from it.

I’m EXTREMELY in favor of the anti-recon scripting.
One of the biggest reasons I’ve been consistent with the main subs in my stack is I don’t want to risk any recon from a new sub. This new update will ease my worry when choosing a new sub.

But when it is pitted against the features of the sub itself,
I believe it is better to prioritize the features than the anti-recon scripting, ratio-wise.
Because EVEN the early version of it is already THIS strong. Case in point:

@Sub.Zero

This tech not only smoothes out recon (which I don’t need so much, anyhow) but, as @Uber_Elysium said, it optimizes it, making the shifts not only rapid but very very profound.

@Sub.Zero

I called it Blitzkieg as it helps reconcile really deep “issues” and really fast.

If it’s already this strong, do we really need a relatively higher ratio at the cost of the features?

I would love to see how this works for me when LE/HeO gets an update soon.
I’ve been using HeO for more than a year and LE for almost half a year total now.
No recon from them. From the beginning till now. I also plan to use HeO for years to come.
So it will be interesting to see how the anti-recon scripting helps me in this case.

[Viktor]

@AnswerGroup looking at subzero’s argument, it is interesting to see the possibility that the anti-recon scripting not only deals with the early stages of acclimating with the sub but also to gain faster from it after you’re done with all the recon, if there’s any to begin with.

So, is the anti-recon scripting not just anti-recon, but also a result enhancer AFTER the recon phase is completely over?

A sort of booster like DRLD that helps you get to that next level from the other subs in your stack easier & faster.

[Fractal_Explorer]

Good point. These subs are like infinite value self feedback mechanisms. It would be like unlocking deeper and deeper levels of concepts. Like imagine there are levels you can’t even comprehend in your mind of reality but the anti recon tech helps you get there by even reconciling that.

[Viktor]

@Fractal_Explorer

imagine there are levels you can’t even comprehend in your mind of reality but the anti recon tech helps you get there by even reconciling that.

Yes, not just “recon” as we know it. But a “limit destroyer” beyond the scope of a recon buster.

Though it sounds more like what NSE is supposed to do.
it helps you comprehend the next level by experiencing it yourself.

If it is indeed how the anti-recon works, it’d be interesting to see how they both complement each other.

[Fractal_Explorer]

RIP Saint’s journal though

[Sub.Zero]

Let’s move it here, guys:

Discussion: On the Nature of Zero Point

When it comes to my current thouths on ZP, I posted it in @SaintSovereign 's journal and I’m just reposting it here, slightly updated using bold: As someone who gets little to no recon, even though I don’t take much physical action but still greatly benefit from running Zero Point in terms of both internal shifts and real-life results, I can tell that what has yielded the best results—and actually 90% of them—has been strictly related to shifting my self-image rather than taking physical actio…

[Jouissance]

@Viktor

But when it is pitted against the features of the sub itself,
I believe it is better to prioritize the features than the anti-recon scripting, ratio-wise.
Because EVEN the early version of it is already THIS strong. Case in point:

I’m actually surprised that you think features are better because remember…

The positive trade-off of less features is that each feature will hit harder, deeper, faster, and with less recon.

You especially are someone who has a really deep core philosophy around why you run the subs you run. They’re for a very specific long term purpose.

For example, creativity, ultimately if there was a sub that had less features but did the features it does better, you would be able to find a creativity sub better AND you would get deeper/faster results, instead of having to pick between UW , LE, etc, and see which one provides you the least “fluff”

Is there truly nothing in the current subliminals that you wouldn’t trade for less recon when literally the reason you can’t stack switch and experiment with new titles so much is because you can’t afford recon?

Me, @Azriel, and and @Niles all understand the need to completely avoid recon, as well. Our income is our performance on a DAILY basis, while any salaried employee’s income is the result of their performance on a QUARTERLY basis.

If there were more anti recon my stack would be so much simpler. I could run 3 dense titles that perfectly cover all my goals, set my stack, and run it for months without overthinking stack density.

[Jouissance]

Also I just think that 80% (99% really) of customers aren’t on the forum and therefore aren’t as active or aware as recon minimization techniques as forum users.

Really until SC makes the new instructions manual I think they’re all hooped.

Imagine it’s your first ever day of SC and you run 30 mins every second day of a high-recon sub….

[Viktor]

@Jouissance

The positive trade-off of less features is that each feature will hit harder, deeper, faster, and with less recon.

The thing is, getting the sub to hit harder & deeper can be achieved just by using the subs long enough.
I rarely care about how fast it hits though. Low recon is the top priority. if it takes me a few cycles more than other people would, but it gives me the least recon possible, I’ll gladly take that as I have with most subs I’ve ever used.

Having more features is actually most beneficial for us who use subs long term.
The longer we listen to it, the more we can unearth the features.

@Jouissance

For example, creativity, ultimately if there was a sub that had less features but did the features it does better, you would be able to find a creativity sub better AND you would get deeper/faster results, instead of having to pick between UW , LE, etc, and see which one provides you the least “fluff”

I think I understand where our disconnect came from.
More features, in my head, is about more optimization towards the goals of the sub.

I actually don’t mind the fluff (I can’t use a good chunk of HeO because I don’t spar).
What I care more, after observing how the subs work on me, is the focus of the entire sub.

UWX is focused on being a writer, which I’m not really one, that’s why the sub is not for me as the focus deviates too much from my goals. I think that’s what you refer to as “fluff”.

@Jouissance

Is there truly nothing in the current subliminals that you wouldn’t trade for less recon when literally the reason you can’t stack switch and experiment with new titles so much is because you can’t afford recon?

I would, I’m in favor of the anti-recon scripting taking a chunk of what could be for features.
But I think having a higher ratio than what was originally planned at the cost of features is not it.

[SaintSovereign]

Keep in mind everyone that if we DID try to create an “anti-recon” sub, it would take up a slot in your stack. Is it possible to take the anti-recon scripting, expand it and put it into a free title? Sure. Would it be effective? Might have to test.

Nonetheless, it would take up a stack slot.

[Sub.Zero]

You could issue two copies of TS, one with more features, as you’re planning, and the other, the very same scripting features-wise (I mean the scripting that is in the current TS), yet with more of the anti-recon scripting. I would test them both and report. I mean, an extensive test. One cycle (21 days) per each scripting. I would keep going with the current scripting till the end of the cycle, of course. I’m planning on using TS for a longer time, anyway.

[Malkuth]

I voted for ‘more features’; but I realized that I don’t think in terms of either more features or less recon.

Basically, I want the results in my life that I want.

1. Getting more than those results is nice, but unnecessary.

2. Experiencing some disturbance or disruption in order to achieve those results is acceptable to me.

My only priority is results.

And so I love the innovations here because each innovation makes my desired results that much more attainable.

That’s the extent of my thought process.

[Viktor]

@SaintSovereign

Nonetheless, it would take up a stack slot.

WORTH IT

With that, we can just dedicate 1-2 months just for a recon-inducing sub + anti-recon sub and get what we’d have gotten with, let’s say, 3-6 months of long & agonizing tiptoe-ing around the recon with low exposure & low listening frequency.

We have lots of threads recommending what sub to add to help reduce recon from another sub, with various different answers depending on what sub causes the recon.
This sub will be the definite answer for majority of cases going forward.

[AlexanderGraves]

Everyone here trying to get the kitchen-sink going again.

EZ choice.
More anti-recon. A sub that is so smooth and manifests fast and without much trouble over a multitude of features which likely multiple runs and emotional turmoil to get there?
Nah, bro. Def more anti-recon.

Considering you’re also building the subs way more granular now, with niched down effects, making those smooth as f is IMO the way to go.

[Plutus]

@SaintSovereign if we have Daredevil: True Social in a custom which has the anti-recon scripting. Would the anti-recon scripting it affect the rest of our stack as well or this is only the case in the anti-recon core?

[Jouissance]

@Sub.Zero

You could issue two copies of TS, one with more features, as you’re planning, and the other, the very same scripting features-wise (I mean the scripting that is in the current TS), yet with more of the anti-recon scripting. I would test them both and report. I mean, an extensive test. One cycle (21 days) per each scripting. I would keep going with the current scripting till the end of the cycle, of course. I’m planning on using TS for a longer time, anyway.

I actually really like this, it’d be as if every title had a Phase 1 & Phase 2.

with the first stage being less features and more anti-recon, and the second stage being the higher features.

Build a base with Phase 1, then move on to Phase 2.

Gets really interesting when Khan has 4 stages each with 2 phases