Oh if it were a black or white question I’d say more anti recon without a doubt.
For titles jam packed with features and less anti-recon, that’s for the artisanal line, which is for people who know what they’re doing and how to navigate recon and have a strong foundation.
Really though no beginner should ever start out with 15 mins anyways IMHO. Pretty much everyone I recommend to start at the 1-3 min range does and gets great results - it’s not the “flow factor” it’s their pre-existing beliefs that set that.
Foundational means doing the basics EXTREMELY well. Wanted doesn’t need more features. Maybe wanted black does.
Maybe it should be title dependent?
For example, healing/recon prone titles will get the most anti-recon. DRR, Khan st1, Phoenix etc.
While subs that don’t induce as much recon would get the least.
Recon, resistance, whatever it’s called among people has been a huge block among the subliminal community, not just here. Other producers are stuffing their subs with tons of features but nobody has really cracked it.
Subclub has always been about approaching things differently and it just seems like it would follow the progression of how these subs have been developed and how they stand out from competition in terms of execution of the script.
Also genuine question. Who among you can check off every objective on a standard title after running it long term?
Might be better to ask this after more people get to try the anti-recon scripting. I voted for features because i don’t like the idea of cutting features for the sake of recon, but I might feel differently after I tried it.
Personally I’m waiting on the new EE and the option added to custom rebuilds.
Speaking from a limited perspective but i would not mind more anti recon features. The anti recon addition with True Social has transformed my Khan experience beyond my wildest dreams. It reminds me of the jump from Q to ZP. If people properly executed 50% of a single sub, reached those goals they would get more from a single sub than a full stack. Massive generalization here. I know the biggest gainers tend to keep it hush
I’ve been using subs for years, I can handle insane amounts of exposure with no recon whatsoever but I greatly benefit from the new tech and not because of the part for which it was called “anti-recon”. This tech not only smoothes out recon (which I don’t need so much, anyhow) but, as @Uber_Elysium said, it optimizes it, making the shifts not only rapid but very very profound. Don’t make the mistake thinking that if you get little to no recon you wouldn’t benefit from it.
Moreover, I don’t think “anti-recon” is a fortunate term for the new tech. I called it Blitzkieg as it helps reconcile really deep “issues” and really fast. I’m going to share how profound a shift happened in me yesterday on the new tech on the other thread (ZP discussion) later on. I would like to see more of Blitzkrieg in action before even trying to decide if I need more or less of it. Remeber, recon is a natural part of the process and it will always be there, having Blitzkrieg at our disposal helps us capitalize on recon to an incredible degree in terms of the quanity and quality of inner shifts.
@Viktor had the genius idea of including it with Ascension Chamber, self explanatory. I would like to expand on it by suggesting adding them to LBFH and Genesis Art of Happiness since they are free and a great addition to any stack.
Edit: Recon goes beyond discomfort, not taking action or being overwhelmed by over exposure. I was not particularly in any noticeable recon before using new True Social with Anti recon features but it did so much by eliminating recon weeds before they could sprout, which lead to mind blowing efficiency and breakthroughs in less than few days. The recourses i would usually spend keeping my mind and emotions in check were spent somewhere far more productive, and pleasant
I’m EXTREMELY in favor of the anti-recon scripting.
One of the biggest reasons I’ve been consistent with the main subs in my stack is I don’t want to risk any recon from a new sub. This new update will ease my worry when choosing a new sub.
But when it is pitted against the features of the sub itself,
I believe it is better to prioritize the features than the anti-recon scripting, ratio-wise.
Because EVEN the early version of it is already THIS strong. Case in point:
If it’s already this strong, do we really need a relatively higher ratio at the cost of the features?
I would love to see how this works for me when LE/HeO gets an update soon.
I’ve been using HeO for more than a year and LE for almost half a year total now.
No recon from them. From the beginning till now. I also plan to use HeO for years to come.
So it will be interesting to see how the anti-recon scripting helps me in this case.
@AnswerGroup looking at subzero’s argument, it is interesting to see the possibility that the anti-recon scripting not only deals with the early stages of acclimating with the sub but also to gain faster from it after you’re done with all the recon, if there’s any to begin with.
So, is the anti-recon scripting not just anti-recon, but also a result enhancer AFTER the recon phase is completely over?
A sort of booster like DRLD that helps you get to that next level from the other subs in your stack easier & faster.
Good point. These subs are like infinite value self feedback mechanisms. It would be like unlocking deeper and deeper levels of concepts. Like imagine there are levels you can’t even comprehend in your mind of reality but the anti recon tech helps you get there by even reconciling that.
I’m actually surprised that you think features are better because remember…
The positive trade-off of less features is that each feature will hit harder, deeper, faster, and with less recon.
You especially are someone who has a really deep core philosophy around why you run the subs you run. They’re for a very specific long term purpose.
For example, creativity, ultimately if there was a sub that had less features but did the features it does better, you would be able to find a creativity sub better AND you would get deeper/faster results, instead of having to pick between UW , LE, etc, and see which one provides you the least “fluff”
Is there truly nothing in the current subliminals that you wouldn’t trade for less recon when literally the reason you can’t stack switch and experiment with new titles so much is because you can’t afford recon?
Me, @Azriel, and and @Niles all understand the need to completely avoid recon, as well. Our income is our performance on a DAILY basis, while any salaried employee’s income is the result of their performance on a QUARTERLY basis.
If there were more anti recon my stack would be so much simpler. I could run 3 dense titles that perfectly cover all my goals, set my stack, and run it for months without overthinking stack density.
Also I just think that 80% (99% really) of customers aren’t on the forum and therefore aren’t as active or aware as recon minimization techniques as forum users.
Really until SC makes the new instructions manual I think they’re all hooped.
Imagine it’s your first ever day of SC and you run 30 mins every second day of a high-recon sub….
The thing is, getting the sub to hit harder & deeper can be achieved just by using the subs long enough.
I rarely care about how fast it hits though. Low recon is the top priority. if it takes me a few cycles more than other people would, but it gives me the least recon possible, I’ll gladly take that as I have with most subs I’ve ever used.
Having more features is actually most beneficial for us who use subs long term.
The longer we listen to it, the more we can unearth the features.
I think I understand where our disconnect came from.
More features, in my head, is about more optimization towards the goals of the sub.
I actually don’t mind the fluff (I can’t use a good chunk of HeO because I don’t spar).
What I care more, after observing how the subs work on me, is the focus of the entire sub.
UWX is focused on being a writer, which I’m not really one, that’s why the sub is not for me as the focus deviates too much from my goals. I think that’s what you refer to as “fluff”.
I would, I’m in favor of the anti-recon scripting taking a chunk of what could be for features.
But I think having a higher ratio than what was originally planned at the cost of features is not it.
Keep in mind everyone that if we DID try to create an “anti-recon” sub, it would take up a slot in your stack. Is it possible to take the anti-recon scripting, expand it and put it into a free title? Sure. Would it be effective? Might have to test.
You could issue two copies of TS, one with more features, as you’re planning, and the other, the very same scripting features-wise (I mean the scripting that is in the current TS), yet with more of the anti-recon scripting. I would test them both and report. I mean, an extensive test. One cycle (21 days) per each scripting. I would keep going with the current scripting till the end of the cycle, of course. I’m planning on using TS for a longer time, anyway.
