Makes it even more important to stick to subs
This INTERESTING and emphasis the importance of sticking to the subs!
@SaintSovereign & @Fire is this accurate explanation?
Probably not down to the letter.
Dont take me as a subliminal expert!
I simply notice that I do this with habits AND subliminal progress.
I am trying to keep this as close to the habit-building metaphor as possible to stay consistent with it. Not that this is exactly how it works⦠but even if its not exactly how it works, it could still be a mental model that would benefit you to think about
This is exactly how I thought about it and I really liked your description
I understand that!
Yea this clear , but your explanation /observations is worthwhile to be discussed thatās why I tagged Saint and fire .
Day 103, washout
I see myself coming less and less to the forum. Idk if itās Emperor or GLM just being focused on myself much more. I keep of course, journalling every day in my offline journal.
When the washout started I was sitting in recon for 3 days straight, was not very pleasant, but now that I am out and I am getting GREAT results I can also examine the changed mindset:
- I am WAY less focused on sex. Which means I get it more.
- I am super relaxed while having sex, which helps my girl relax much more also
- I am super confident in the future (because it doesnt exist, right?
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- I am super confident in myself and speaking my mind (there are certain things where I still hold back but I am def much more open with everyone, regardless of what they think of me)
- I am not phased by bad things happening. I see it, accept it, take measures.
- I catch myself judging people and then telling myself not to (this is IMPORTANT because Iāve been a judgmental bastard and realised how little that helps. Especially when it comes to letting go and actually getting what you want. As it is said, YOU DO NOT JUDGE. Not people. Not situations. Sometimes, however, it IS tough to reconcile this with things I want (for example from my wife). But I DID notice IRL when I judge her less she is actually more likely to randomly give me what I want (when I let go). Anyway, this needs a lot more work, but I am on track.
The best thing probably:
I REALLY come to terms with MY personal version of being a man. I am not the Tate kind of person. Or any Red Pill guru. I am just not. I am a man that has fun. I like making jokes and teasing people. I can be all over the place or focused.
After all, I have a lot of Gemini placements So, GLM feels like its A LOT about acceptance of self. Which is awesome. That feeling is IMMENSE.
I feel like I will eventually come back to Stark or Wanted, it seems like my kinda thing. But I really was lacking the foundation. Or I stack it with GLM.
Next cycle will solely be GLM, and then I am back to EoG, starting ST2.
Very excited to see how eog + glm go together!
Ive been considering that possibility as well.
Day 106, washout
So I have been dealing with Jungās idea of the shadow.
In basic terms, he says that you need to grow teeth (which is the dark side of your shadow) to keep your boundaries up and tell people to F off when they breach them (well, in a more mature manner) and /or you need to be sophisticated and more direct/powerful when you want something from someone.
And with the latter I am having my issues.
Or I am not understanding it right.
But it sort of conflicts with my idea of letting go.
From personal experience, for example, the less I cared about sex (as a simple example) the more I got it. Which is letting go, right.
But in Jungās terms it would mean I need to make sure my needs are met with, maybe even with forms of manipulation (PCC).
These two viewpoints sort of conflict for me.
Or I need to realize they ARE different approaches to getting what you want (both of which work) and I finally need to make a decision and let the other one go.
Or there is a way to make both work which I havenāt figured out yet.
Tagging the wisdom personified people @Malkuth @Sage_Ninjistic @SaintSovereign @Invictus for some potential insights and/or your views.
EDIT: Also tagging you @Skadoosh would appreciate your insight!
Itās also with the map of consciousness.
I might have fallen prey to a āGreen fieldā idea of only vibing in high scale emotions, which is not practical. Maybe it is āmost of the time high vibe, but sometimes you gotta pull out the anger because the world, humans, and society isnāt perfect to allow it.ā
Funny you tagged me here, especially since a while ago today I was listening to some TED talks and philosophy videos about the social dynamics, power and seduction.
You see, everyone plays the social game, and while it might seem āevilā, itās not, and if you consider it as manipulative, then thatās just you not being in touch with your āshadowā and making excuses for your lack of skills in the social game.
Yes, letting go can help you get what you, and so can having an edge in terms of power, and yes, they can be combined, hereās how:
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when letting go, understand that youāre only letting go of how obsessed you are with the desire, not the desire itself, for example: letting go of the constant need for sex does not = abstaining from having sex, you still do it and do it well, but you donāt constantly chase it, thatās how you keep a boundary as well.
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when showing your power and using the social game, youāre not obsessed with the agenda, because what youāre basically doing is playing the social game to make sure things fall into your lap the way you want, and the nonchalance you feel inside of you while doing that is due to you letting go of the obsessive desire over the outcome.
How to combine them?
Learn the grand game of āsocial seductionā, Iām sure you already know what Iām talking about.
The reason I say that is because when learn enough about the social dynamics and the little tricks of the game, you become unattached to the outcome, know why? Because of 2 reasons:
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seduction is fun, and it will make you enjoy the process instead of obsessing over the outcome, and
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knowing that you have mastery over the social game will give you a sense of power that will keep you unattached and nonchalant.
Hope thatās what you meant, or did I pull a MU
lol
See, here might lie the issue. I donāt care about power, except power over myself and what I do.
I donāt even like the 48 laws of Power too much because it feels too āmanipulative.ā
But maybe this is glorifying a reality that doesnt exist.
Or avoiding tension/pain/rocking the boat as an excuse.
Maybe there lies the issue.
Thanks for the input!
It also must be understood that Jung was a student of truth and a student of the Self.
His goal was not necessarily to elaborate a set of rules for āwinning at lifeā. or winning at Society.
He would have seen integration of the Shadow as a worthy project in its own right. Not simply because it conferred greater advantages in our constant human jockeying for social position.
He was yet another great scholar of Projection.
Projection can be defined as: The diverse means by which a mind conspires to disown its own internal processes and to experience them as if they were being generated externally.
Spiders āprojectā their webs more or less out of their asses.
And human beings do much the same with our experiences of reality.
This is part of the significance of the Freudian and Jungian concepts of the Unconscious. Weāre talking here about Involuntary Reality Creation. That sounds very nice and theoretical, but itās really just like wearing a pair of sunglasses for so long that you forget they are on your face. You (unconsciously) put on a pair of red sunglasses and then walking outside you exclaim, āWow. What a Crimson World we live in!ā
This is also part of the significance of the Shadow.
The bottom line of the Shadow is that itās you.
Itās already you. Whether you choose to engage it or whether you choose to avoid it, itās already you.
Itās already there.
The parts of you that are already here are influencing and creating your world. They are already doing it.
So learning to work with Shadow material, is like learning how your automobile works or how your house is constructed.
Itās not some sort of noble, heroic task. Itās a part of moving through the world with basic competence. (Okay, maybe itās kind of heroic.)
Weāre talking about levels of the Self with roots that stretch deeper than your daily desires.
Jung dives deep.
Detachment and Shadow-work both share in common that they are oriented toward developing an objective perspective on who and what you are.
And (hereās the part I think you may be overlooking), this includes having a perspective on the āIā itself.
I suspect that, for you, the sense of āIā is still extremely central to your view of who and what you are. There is nothing wrong with that. But you just need to realize that such a view is not objective. Itās healthy, much of the time. But itās not objective. ā
Think of that sense of āIā and āMeā as an object. Look at it. and then Jungās concept of the Shadow, and the meaning of āletting goā and Detachment will be easier to reconcile.
So heās basically saying to Alpha up? Lol
grow balls*
high internal self worth/value/personal power/respect as a man
dominance and assertiveness, not afraid to express what you want
this is all basic Alpha male stuff lol⦠isnāt it?
Iām not too familiar with Jung, but why overcomplicate basic Alpha Male behavior with all this shadowself philosophical stuff lol
Because itās actually that deep. But the more you know the simpler it seems.
This makes a lot of sense.
I mean he said to make the unconscious conscious, otherwise it will drive your life, right?
But itās not necessarily a toolkit for success. More of discovering/understanding your deeper desires.
Is there such a thing as an objective look on Self?
Itās just scratching the surface, the Shadow Work goes WAAAY deeper. As in, the capacity to understand what the Nazis did, because they were human. So ALL humans have by definition the capacity to do such things.
YOU and ME have the capacity.
Itās sort of a philosophy of accepting ones evil parts.
Which maybe is also what I am avoiding. The āevilā part of āmanipulationā I like to do.
The unexamined, projected Shadow is what potentially becomes evil. But it is not, of itself, evil.
John believes that he cannot be afraid. Johnās fear thus lives in his shadow.
John sees a man who makes him afraid.
Rather than face his fear, John attacks and kills the man.
That simple word-picture illustrates (basically) how Shadow relates to moral action.
There are generally two options (Iām over-simplifying):
The short-term humiliation of owning and facing it as part of yourself
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The long-term devastation of disowning it and dealing with it through others
āMy pain, my fear, my disgust, my potential humiliation: are your fault, not mine. By attacking you, I will defeat them.ā
I āwinā.
ā My pain, my fear, my disgust, my potential humiliation; they are my own. By facing myself, I learn from them.ā
I āloseāā¦and grow up.
In the strictest senses of the term āobjectiveā? No. It is not possible.
On the other hand, is it possible in relative, practical terms? Yes. Very much so.
It is possible, in other words, to learn either a great deal more or a great deal less about the phenomenon and the dynamics of identity-generation and about the natural history of āself/Selfā.
What kind of manipulation do you do? Lol
As long as youāre human, youāre going to subconsciously manipulate even if you donāt want/like to.
Itās part of the human game.
Using PCC hasnāt changed my vibration, Iām still internally high vibe, positive and kind to others. The social game is like this mechanical thing that I acknowledge as being intrinsic to the human experience.
I see the social/power dynamic game as being an objective human language in the same way that English is. How our shadow selves communicate and express themselves. An increased awareness of this game teaches you a lot of things. Iām not emotionally invested in it in any way and I donāt let any of it get to my head.
I interpret it through a detached spiritual reframe of āoh, so this is the power language of humansā and so I play the game. I have an alienated perception of it all and Iād have to otherwise I couldnāt integrate or operate in the realm. ZP aligns to the user.
Scanning @Malkuthās answers, heās more familiar with Jungian psychology than I am and anything I have to add would be similar concepts with different background and wording
Letās say I have a certain fetish, but my wife is not too heavy into it.
It is part of my shadow, my darker desire.
Itās not met fully or to my satisfaction, which means there is internal āpain.ā
Now what I can do is manipulate her to do it anyway. For me. But itās not really something coming from her. So itās never pure.
Does it have to be? Idk
So instead of ālive and let liveā I am manipulating another person to do something theyāre not too fond of.
But the other side is letting go of the need for it and through the freer energy she will do it anyway (which also worked for me, I keep testing social interactions with my wife haha)
So while writing this I realize that it is more nuanced as @Invictus said.
I am letting go of the NEED to have it (which is Shadow Work I would say, facing that pain/fear of not having it), but I still very much enjoy that dark side when it happens and I do make sure that it happens. And the latter is probably what Jung and JBP and Luther with this mean:
And this:
As I said, my idea might be too much of a āGreen fieldā idea of just live and let live. Maybe that IS not possible unless I live on a Mountain in Tibet. If I want to make a marriage work on a deeper level and have us both satisfied, I likely will have to āmanipulateā the social game (manipulate is not really the right word, maybe being assertive), otherwise I do us both a disservice by being unsatisfied and resentful.
And maybe she grows into it anyway.
By the way, I am not overthinking relationships, I am just exploring the idea of the Shadow in a practical manner and because I love to ponder about these things.
Itās a bit like money or time. A construct made my humans to value things, but on its own it is unnecessary. Yet, since we all live on this plane, we sort of HAVE to work with it. Much like the social game. And I am aware I sound like Hermit here haha
I will adopt this mindset, love it. Itās just a language to communicate throughout life with other humans. Like a cultural thing.