You recommended pairing WDB and WB. In the early days of the release there were concerns that these two titles could potentially clash. Is there more data now of people making both of them work together? And how would they interact?
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hey so on the custom subliminal website the name of the primal and the primal seduction cores are Primal Core (PriQ) (The core of Primal, upgraded to Q. Unleash your full, primal masculine potential.) and Primal Seduction Core (PrSeQ) (Primal Seduction Q’s core, the best of Primal and Sex & Seduction synergized in a whole new powerful way.). Are these the correct cores of the latest zp primal and the latest hybrid zpu primal seduction because even the images used for the core is different then the images used for the subliminal product pages.
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Also you recommended the new romance experience core how does it compare to Synergy: Perfection Manifestation? Both manifest partners i believe but new romance experience core seems more towards the girlfriend/relationship side? which isn’t a bad thing but I don’t want to attract women specifically looking for relationships. Right now I am not interested although my mind would change in the future, and for that perfect manifestation seems more versatile?
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also how would I balance this custom subliminal with wanted? I would look for signals from women and then engage with them? Also please compare alexanders play to the perfect manifestation and new romance experience. I want to ideally keep my custom as small as possible. primal and primal seduction cores are necessary the rest we can discuss. preferably one more core/module but i could think about 1-2 more as well.
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also what if i create a wanted+primal seduction custom instead of primal+primal seduction or primal+wanted? What would the differences be in terms of results with these different customs alongside the other modules mentioned in the previous question. I think primal seduction+wanted with the other modules like Alexander’s play would be way better right because then both main attraction titles are being boosted alongside additional cores/modules. I am assuming of course that wanted core would contain all of wanted scripting right and same for primal core etc or are these title core weaker than the separate subliminal
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since I am considering a romance/sexual based custom anyways what other options/combinations do I have instead of primal seduction. Maybe wanted dream boy and wanted? Ideally I wouldn’t want to approach a lot and have women approach me more via wanted so maybe I should try and max that out in custom or use wanted black although you previously advised not to. Although, personally I think approaching women yourself gives you more experience so I am not sure. I would not be removing primal or wanted or genesis ascension from my stack so the new combo suggestions should be regarding only wanted/primal or perhaps I would replace wanted with wanted black if you advise.
Meaning what?
@SaintSovereign i know you approve these answer but i thought this IS what longer listening times give
yeah, super confused with qOS reply too
Yes, I did approve it.
This is @qOS when it switches into caution mode. And I’m just being straightforward, no disrespect intended, but it switches into this mode when the individual keeps asking the same questions in different ways, as if they are trying to find some way to bypass the instructions. At that point, it’s going to give a generic answer to that individual that amounts to: “just run the title and follow the instructions.”
I’m going to clear the flag, but we’re expecting not to ask the exact same questions again. It even gave you a warning in an earlier question (which triggered the flag), where it noted that you keep changing stacks, listening times, listening methods, etc.
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@qOS What two are you talking about here? Endless Summer and The Uncarved Block?
Why shouldn’t I use both in a custom?
Thank you for dedicating all this time to getting all these qOS questions answered!
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@qos So, I’m planning to do a third rerun of Khan Black with the new upgrades.
I was maybe thinking of doing it with Hero Light That Blinds.
How would every stage intertwine together, and what would it create for me in my life?
Also, I’m still thinking about what to add as a third. First, I was thinking Stark Black, but maybe that is better for later stages.
Heartsong Stage 1, maybe? I’m not sure.
Ultimately, by the end of it, I’m gonna add my Primal Seduction custom.
The vision for the run is to make me a successful coach who gets clients, have effortless ease when talking to women, and enjoy approaching.
As well as groundedness and absolute presence.
Or maybe i should just add some fitness sub at the start, Build massive selfmastery and a reservoir of energy before taking over the world.
What do you think about this ?
Enjoyed Earthshaker: Authority very much in a past custom.
How would adding it to a WB custom (with leadership modules) change the frame of dating.
Would it be a reasonable addition for (semi)-findom dynamics, or are there additional/better alternatives.
Redo this with a stage by stage breakdown with each stage of the new khan black
- Tag qOS to get an answer using it.
- Follow up questions are better asked in Support cause context is better understood there. Else phrase the whole question if you are asking here.
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Can the Dance Mastery module make your natural and intuitive dancing better? Just going out, having fun, and letting your body move to the rhythm naturally, spontaneously, and confidently? Or is it more geared toward mastering a dance that you intend to learn?
Same with the Song of Joy module. Can it make your natural and innate comedic abilities better, or is it more about learning the craft and timing of comedy?
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I love all three programs: Ecstasy of Gold Stage I, R.I.C.H., and The Revelation of Wealth. I’ve been reviewing their distinguishing points this evening. They seem resonant and yet quite distinct.
It would be great to see your comparison and contrast of these three excellent programs. I’m starting to feel the pull of The Revelation of Wealth. Fortunately, I’m currently running ESSENCE: The Alchemy of Money (as well as RICH and Ecstasy of Gold stage 2 program cores).
Thanks for whatever insights you are able to provide.
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Question from @Malkuth (original post):
@qOS I love all three programs: Ecstasy of Gold Stage I, R.I.C.H., and The Revelation of Wealth. I’ve been reviewing their distinguishing points this evening. They seem resonant and yet quite distinct. It would be great to see your comparison and contrast of these three excellent programs. I’m starting to feel the pull of The Revelation of Wealth. Fortunately, I’m currently running ESSENCE: The Alchemy of Money (as well as RICH and Ecstasy of Gold stage 2 program cores). Thanks for whatever insights you are able to provide.
Summary
@Malkuth — all three carry the New Wealth Experience, and each comes at wealth from a different direction. The Ecstasy of Gold Stage 1 strengthens your foundations and gives them practical structure. R.I.C.H. is a single-stage manifestation title that covers the whole cycle, from staying calm around money to keeping what you earn. The Revelation of Wealth is an inquiry into what money is and why you relate to it the way you do.
The Ecstasy of Gold Stage 1
Stage 1 is the advanced foundation stage of a four-stage title. It revisits the ground of beginner wealth titles at a deeper level. Roots of Scarcity and Inherited Wealth Stories help you release the money stories passed down through your family, and The Worthiness Recalibration helps you receive without tying wealth to struggle or proof. The practical half sets it apart: it helps you find which industries, careers and hobbies bring you real joy, so your work can carry your vision. The Wealth Planning System helps you turn goals into a structured plan, Mastering Financial Discipline builds steady saving and spending habits, Investing Made Simple helps you start investing with confidence, and Multiple Streams of Income helps you see where new income sources can come from. The Ecstasy of Gold is tools- and skills-based, and it applies to a career as much as to a business.
R.I.C.H.
R.I.C.H. is the broadest of the three in a single stage. It starts with your body’s response to money. Calm Prosperity Embodiment helps you stay steady when an opportunity or a large sum arrives, so you can hold it instead of sabotaging it. From there it works on worthiness, clarity about the financial life you actually want, spotting opportunities and timing your moves. It opens six pathways for income: career, entrepreneurship, investing, creative work, partnerships and passive income. It also develops the thinking of people who build and keep wealth, the drive to act on what you see, and protection, with Wealth Wisdom & Preservation and Energy Leak Sealing helping you keep what you make. Compared with The Ecstasy of Gold it is less tactical and works more at the level of identity and alignment.
The Revelation of Wealth
The Revelation of Wealth belongs to the Unfolding series and the Artisan line, so it is intended for experienced listeners. Instead of starting with skills, it helps you look underneath money: how it moves through people and systems, the cycles it follows, and what it means to you personally. It is built to show how and why you hold yourself back around money and to separate your own view from what society taught you. Hidden Wealth Structures looks at how the wealthy protect and grow fortunes, and The Aura of Wealth develops a presence of confidence, gratitude and openness. Its tools-and-skills scripting helps you turn those insights into practical steps. The script itself has no spiritual or religious content; “revelation” is used in its plain sense of unveiling. It stacks well with any wealth title, and both titles tend to go deeper together.
Where each is the better pick
- The Ecstasy of Gold Stage 1, when you want to find the work you love and build the planning, discipline and income habits that turn it into money.
- R.I.C.H., when you want one title that runs from staying calm around money through finding opportunities, acting on them and keeping the gains.
- The Revelation of Wealth, when the question in front of you is why: why money feels the way it does to you, where you hold back, and what wealth means beyond the number.
Your current stack
ESSENCE: The Alchemy of Money is distilled from The Revelation of Wealth, so you are already running a condensed version of the title you feel pulled toward. Because an ESSENCE is distilled, its effect is not as profound as the full title’s, and The Revelation of Wealth Core carries the complete title. Turning its insights into practical action tends to work well alongside The Ecstasy of Gold, and you already have Stage 2 in your build.
If you move to the full version, swap ESSENCE: The Alchemy of Money for The Revelation of Wealth Core in your custom rather than running both, since one is a condensed form of the other. Listening guidance for changing a stack is in the official instructions: https://instructions.subliminalclub.com
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Question from @Golgo13 (original post):
@qOS Can the Dance Mastery module make your natural and intuitive dancing better? Just going out, having fun, and letting your body move to the rhythm naturally, spontaneously, and confidently? Or is it more geared toward mastering a dance that you intend to learn? Same with the Song of Joy module. Can it make your natural and innate comedic abilities better, or is it more about learning the craft and timing of comedy?
Summary
@Golgo13 — yes to both. Dance Mastery and Song of Joy each work on your natural ability as well as on the learned craft, so you do not have to choose between them.
Dance Mastery
Dance Mastery is not tied to a routine you plan to learn. It works with any kind of dance and any kind of music. It may help you move in time with the music, move more accurately, and express yourself with passion, elegance and flair, and those carry straight over to a night out. If you do decide to learn a specific dance, it also helps you pick up steps faster and execute them cleanly, and it helps you connect quickly with a partner. Dance Mastery has no separate confidence scripting, so if self-consciousness is what holds you back on the floor, cover that with another module in the same custom.
Song of Joy
Song of Joy starts from your own humor and helps you develop your own brand of it, so what grows is the way you are already funny. It helps you bring fun into any conversation or situation, even an odd one, in a way that lifts people’s mood and makes them enjoy being around you. It also develops the craft side, including comedic timing and the finer details of humor, so your natural wit and your timing grow together.
Both are single modules and can sit in the same custom. If your goal is relaxed, spontaneous nights out, a custom carrying both covers the dancing and the conversation.
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Question from @Judoka (original post):
@qOS what are the limits on what paragon heals? And what does the healing focus on? Is it usually most important first to least? I think i saw my skin slowly improving but seems like it paused as yesterday i bruised my finger in the gym so is the healing moved its focused towards that for the time being?
Summary
@Judoka — Paragon is meant to be used alongside medical care, not instead of it. Some conditions may not be addressable through subliminal audio, and Paragon is a tool that supports your body’s own healing rather than a cure. If your skin problem is persistent or getting worse, have a doctor or dermatologist look at it.
What Paragon covers
Paragon is the comprehensive physical healing title in the Paragon line. It supports tissue repair, recovery from injury, illness and training, immune function, pain, sleep quality and nervous system clarity, and it works on the emotional side of tension held in the body. Inflammation Reducer is the feature closest to your skin: as low-grade inflammation settles, clearer skin is one of the changes people may notice. Health Radar and Body Whisper help you read your body’s early signals, so you notice what it needs before a small issue grows.
The limits
Paragon does not replace diagnosis or treatment. It will not clear every condition whatever its severity, and it does not skip the body’s natural healing timeline. It works with the resources you give it, so sleep, food, water and rest set the ceiling. How far it goes also depends on the condition itself and your baseline health.
What it focuses on first
Yes, there is an order. Core Mend directs healing to wherever it is most needed at the moment: the most pressing issues first, then the deeper underlying patterns as the acute ones resolve. You do not have to steer it.
Your finger and your skin
There is no way to tell from outside whether a bruised finger counted as more pressing than your skin this week. A bruise is a small, short repair job. Skin change is gradual, and gradual healing often looks flat from one day to the next and then shows clearly over several weeks, so a few quiet days do not mean the improvement has ended.
Keep a simple written log of your skin and your recovery from training, with a photo once a week in the same light. Changes that are invisible day to day may become easy to see when you compare week four with week one.
Question from @Furkan (original post):
@qOS rn I’m running Khan ST1, GLM and Heartsong ST1. But I want to try new Khan Black, can I run it as 4th sub, would it diminish my results. And I’m not sure whether I should run Khan’s each stage for one cycle or two cycles. Before the end of the school this year I want to run all of the stages of khan but if i run every stage for 2 cycles I cannot do this. But if run the stages only for one cycle can I get good results. I’m confused.
Summary
@Furkan — no, don’t add Khan Black as a fourth title. The maximum stack is three, and Khan Stage 1, Godlike Masculinity and Heartsong: Attuned already fill it. Going over that limit tends to bring overwhelm and heavier reconciliation, and it can diminish the results of everything you are running.
Khan Black right now
To run Khan Black, it would have to replace one of your current titles, and it is a poor fit beside Khan Stage 1. Khan Black is an Artisan title meant for experienced listeners. Its Stage I is a deep sexual healing stage that can run heavy for a few weeks on its own, and Khan Stage 1 is the heaviest healing stage in Khan. Two heavy healing stages at once means a long stretch of processing. Khan Black also pairs best with Khan at its final stage, where Stage IV runs underneath Khan without asking anything of your attention. Start Khan Black at Stage I once your Khan run is finished.
One cycle or two per Khan stage
One cycle per stage is enough. Khan is built to be run in order, with at least one cycle on each stage, so your subconscious can handle each stage before the next one builds on it. Running each stage once, in order, is the recommended way through, so your plan to finish all four stages before the end of the school year works. What matters is the order, the action you take, and not skipping ahead. If you want more time with Khan afterwards, you can run the whole four-stage process again from Stage 1 later.
A last note: last week you wrote about feeling very low. Khan Stage 1 can be hard going, and it is always fine to cut your exposure or take extra rest when it gets heavy. If those low days come back, talk to someone you trust, and reach out to a professional if they get dark.
Keep your three titles as they are, run Khan one cycle per stage in order, and bring in Khan Black at Stage I when Khan is done. Listening guidance is in the official instructions: https://instructions.subliminalclub.com
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Question from @Antares (original post):
@qOS Enjoyed Earthshaker: Authority very much in a past custom. How would adding it to a WB custom (with leadership modules) change the frame of dating. Would it be a reasonable addition for (semi)-findom dynamics, or are there additional/better alternatives.
Summary
@Antares — yes, Earthshaker: Authority is a reasonable addition to a Wanted Black custom with leadership modules, if you want authority and status at the front of your dating frame.
How it changes the frame
Earthshaker: Authority is the counterpart to Earthshaker: Sexuality. It takes the sexuality out of that module and puts pure authority and status in its place, so you carry an air of authority that feels almost physical. Wanted Black already develops its own extremely potent sexual aura, along with mystery, adventure and elevated status. Adding Authority does not dilute that. It adds a layer of command underneath it.
In practice the frame moves from the mysterious man with the wild nights toward a man who leads. Wanted Black shapes your voice toward persuasion and seduction, and its emotional-control scripting keeps you composed. Earthshaker: Authority gives that composure more weight. Your leadership modules turn it into direction: you choose the plan, set the pace and make the calls on a date. Partners who enjoy that tend to answer it with respect as well as desire, which fits Wanted Black’s aim of a partner looking at you with respect and admiration.
Semi-findom dynamics
Earthshaker: Authority develops authority and status in you. It carries no scripting for any particular dynamic, so how you use that authority in a relationship is your choice. Every title carries free-will scripting and works through consensual, mutual dynamics, so whatever you build rests on partners who genuinely want the same thing.
Alternatives
Within this custom, Earthshaker: Authority is the most direct fit for the authority side. Wanted Black supplies the attraction and the sexual aura, the leadership modules supply the leading, and Authority supplies the status between them. If the custom is already at 20 modules, swap out a leadership module whose ground Authority now covers rather than adding.
Add it, and note in your first weeks how your dates change when you lead from that authority. Listening guidance is in the official instructions: https://instructions.subliminalclub.com
Question from @SwedishBuddha (original post):
@qos So, I’m planning to do a third rerun of Khan Black with the new upgrades. I was maybe thinking of doing it with Hero Light That Blinds. How would every stage intertwine together, and what would it create for me in my life? Also, I’m still thinking about what to add as a third. First, I was thinking Stark Black, but maybe that is better for later stages. Heartsong Stage 1, maybe? I’m not sure. Ultimately, by the end of it, I’m gonna add my Primal Seduction custom. The vision for the run is to make me a successful coach who gets clients, have effortless ease when talking to women, and enjoy approaching. As well as groundedness and absolute presence. Or maybe i should just add some fitness sub at the start, Build massive selfmastery and a reservoir of energy before taking over the world. What do you think about this ?
Summary
@SwedishBuddha — yes, Khan Black with HERO: The Light That Blinds is a good run for that vision. My pick for the third title is True Sell Stage 1. You do not need a separate fitness title, because HERO’s Earth stage already is one, and it fits best beside Khan Black Stage II.
How the stages fit together
Khan Black runs in order, I through IV. HERO’s four stages are not linear, and you choose their order. So let Khan Black set the sequence and give each Khan Black stage the HERO stage that supports it best.
- Khan Black I with HERO Air. Stage I clears sexual shame, performance anxiety and the fear of being seen as sexual, and it ends with The Hidden Spring. Air works on the mind rather than on old wounds, so the two do not pile clearing on clearing. The Observer Throne helps you watch a thought arise without being run by it. The Language of Impact helps your words land clearly, which is where coaching starts.
- Khan Black II with HERO Earth. This is your fitness phase. Stage II builds the vessel, with wider channels, a body strengthened to carry the work, and everything grounded low. Khan Black suggests a physical title for Stage II, and Earth is one. The Iron Path turns training into steady discipline and Fortress of Renewal supports recovery. Earth also carries physical shifting scripting for strength.
- Khan Black III with HERO Fire and your Primal Seduction custom. Stage III gathers the reserve and turns it into whatever is in front of you: focus at the desk, courage in the hard conversation. Fire is the action stage. Flame of Courage helps you step forward while the nerves are still there, and Speak the Flame helps you say the true thing without softening it. Khan Black names Primal Seduction as a Stage III title, so this is the point to bring your custom in.
- Khan Black IV with HERO Water. Stage IV runs itself and asks nothing of your attention. Water then works on emotional mastery. Emotional Sovereignty helps you keep your centre when someone else is intense, and The Deep Listener helps you hear what a client means beneath what they say.
What it may create in your life
In the first season the change is mostly inside. Old hesitation around desire and being seen tends to loosen, and your thinking may get quieter and more exact. In a session you may notice yourself saying the useful thing the first time. Through Stage II you may train on real fuel, sleep and eat more the way your body asks, and your presence tends to settle lower. People may feel the warmth when you walk in, and your voice tends to stay level when someone pushes. At Stage III the reserve has somewhere to go. The outreach may get done, approaching may happen without rehearsal, and your Primal Seduction custom gives that heat a direction with women. By Stage IV the grounding may no longer need tending, and what keeps growing is the craft: listening deeply and staying centred in charged conversations, which is the presence you asked for.
The third title
- A Stark Black Reality belongs later, as you thought. Khan Black suggests pairing Stark at Stage IV, beneath the heaviest titles. As the earlier answer ( qOS Question and Answer Thread - #87 by qOS ) said, ASBR beside Khan Black is a heavy combination, and ASBR is the title that has given you the most reconciliation.
- Heartsong Stage 1 (Attuned) is a good title, but it aims at love from wholeness and a relationship. Khan Black pairs Heartsong at Stage III, so keep it in mind if a relationship becomes the goal.
- True Sell Stage 1 is the pick. A coach who gets clients is a selling goal, and nothing else in the plan is built for it. True Sell suits anyone whose income depends on someone else’s yes, including independent practice. The Daily Start helps keep your outreach steady whether or not you feel motivated. The Second Answer helps you find the real problem behind what a prospect says first. Paid Without Flinching helps you state your fee and hold it. The Ninety-Second Reset helps a no stop shaping your next conversation, and that capacity may carry over to approaching as well. True Sell recommends Stage 1 for building the whole craft and Stage 2 if the real gap is not enough conversations.
A fitness title first?
No. Start with Khan Black Stage I whatever else you run, because the later stages assume it. The self-mastery and energy you want are built across the run: HERO Earth handles training and the body at Stage II, and Stage III is where Khan Black gathers the reserve.
One note: Khan Black and HERO are both Artisanal titles. SaintSovereign advised in post #28 of the Khan Black thread ( Main Disc. Thread - The NEW Khan Black: The Crucible (Now Available! Q Modules Available!) - #28 by SaintSovereign ) to get a feel for the new Khan Black before experimenting too much. So start with Khan Black I and HERO Air, add True Sell once Stage I has settled, and check your stack against the listening guidance when the Primal Seduction custom joins. Listening guidance is in the official instructions: https://instructions.subliminalclub.com
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