Keep WB single stage as it is.
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This!
WB is an end game title.
If someone needs healing and preparation, there are many other titles to use before WB.
If anything WB, should be ramped up even further 
No healing. Just pure sexual fire, mystery, seduction and reality bending!
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Wb will be good either way
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The healing is fine cause its tied to experience. It encourages progress without slowing it down.
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I know that when we discuss now, it might not make sense. But we got a 2 stager Heartsong.
And most of us wanted single stage Emperor Crown & Capital but it will be a 4 stager one day.
Similarly, am open to the idea of a single stage WB or a multistage WB. And i was merely giving a possibility i could see of a rwo stager version of it. If Saint and Fire decides to make a 2 stager WB they will have their own ideas and even take in all our inputs.
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@qos how would KBST1 pair with GLM as an alternate to the recommendation of KBST1 + Peace
What advantages would GLM/KBST1 have opposed to PEACE/KBST1
Consider my chin thoroughly stroked.
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I concur. WB will remain single stage. That I can assure you. There’s a reason why RM is two stages. It’ll be obvious when released.
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@SaintSovereign i’d just like to share before release what bothers me most about ascension being a 2-stager: I’ve been trying to articulate my thoughts on this for a while now, but only just figured it out.
There’s a certain lack of continuity between stage one and stage two of Ascension…
Both titles are great on their own, but, similarly to how ST4 of Khan has ST2/3 nested into it in a lesser degree, and ST4 is “complete,” I also feel like ascension ST2 would be better if there was just enough of the ST1 scripting in it for ST2 to be “complete” and not have to return to St1.
Running stabilizer has been one of the best things that ever happened to me in my life. And after a two month continuous run of the stabilizer, I felt like I had majorly transformed in that area and was ready to run ascension stage two. But after a while of running ST2, I felt like I was missing out on ST1’s effects, they were wearing off or perhaps needing to be revisited/reestablished (old habits die hard)
I can’t say for sure whether or not I’ll feel that way in the future when I run heartsong.
But while there’s still time to finalize Renaissance man, I wanted to throw this idea out there, that it’s hard for me as a user to feel like ascension fits perfectly in my stack when running it and getting the full benefit requires (for me) 2 out of my 3 title slots.
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A fascinating conundrum.
It’s also wonderful that you’re experiencing such incredible results.
In a way, this situation feels infinitely extendible. As in, there could always be more (of what one does not yet have) to be gained; and there can always be more (of what one already has) that could be lost.
(i.e., Create a bounded, coherent, solid one-stage program and some people may express the desire for the design to be extended. Create an extended multi-faceted program and there may be those who feel that a particular benefit has been diluted.)
Where does one phase of benefit end, and a new one begin?
In a way, this may be where the art of subliminal program design (and the art of curating growth processes in general) lays.
There could have been one program just called ‘Stabilizer’. And you would have experienced these excellent effects from it. And then there could be another ‘separate’ program called ‘The Alpha Experience’.
In that scenario, the same issue might also exist, in that, to begin playing one, you might want to give up the slot for the other. But since they would be framed as ‘two separate programs’, would it feel different?
And that I think is your point. You don’t want to have to sacrifice the feel of one in order to experience the benefits of the other. Especially since they’re supposed to be two parts of an integrated process.
But it makes me wonder about the overall nature of change and growth themselves. (The old ‘state vs stage’ framework).
There are state changes, where you, in the moment experience the sensations of enhancement, fitness, thriving, wellbeing. And then there are stage changes, in which the overall system is integrating and incorporating the qualities of wellbeing and thriving, whether you feel them subjectively or not.
I’m always wondering about this as I work with practices and subliminals long-term.
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Personally, I wish all titles are one stage. There was even a possibility of OG Khan bsing so. But either the technology or practicality of it didn’t work out and we have what we have now.
Of course there is also the thing about people wanting the OG scripting of many best selling titles to remain the same (like Emperor, Ascension, etc) so Saint and Fire got the idea to make 2 stages so that new ideas will go into one stage and the OG scripting (with some modifications go into the other stage). There is still some sense of continuity between these 2 stages though.
I do hope one day the rech advances so much that all titles can be single stage. So we don’t have to think about which stage to run but instead gain the advantages of all stages in one audio.
A man can dresm.
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I am the exact same! I also want all titles to be single stage it just makes things so much more conveniant and also removes the fomo
I’d also 100% be using khan if it was single stage
But at the same time i understand they don’t want to make titles too dense and tbh titles will probably become more multistager as time goes on instead of single stager
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Do you have plan to update WB soon? Given that Wanted is updated and WDB is out. I guess you have enough data and reviews for WB update
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It was on the original list.
@heartmadeiron is this the list? Do I miss updated list from Saint? Pls share if you have the update list with WB.
Let’s just go through this first 
Looking pretty good that immediate lineup.
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Top of the thread.
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Maybe adding an extra single-stage version along with multistagers might keep everyone happy (like a last stage can be listened independent of any other stage and contains all scripting). I personally like this multistage stuff alot (more surgical focus, less overload, faster results etc.) but majority seems to like single stage instead.
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I don’t think many would argue with this view.
Myself included.
Who knows? In 10 years, maybe the average person will come to Subliminal Club and go through an evaluation and measurement process that results in defining/designing one bespoke subliminal that they use for the next 6 months to 1 year.
That seems a little weird, but it’s not impossible.
But I’m still wondering how much of this is about sub organization and how much of it is an ‘inside job’ (i.e., subject to the ways that we organize our perceptions).
I know that, originally, I used to think of Stage 4 as the “goal” of a multistage subliminal. My first ever purchase at Sub Club was a multi-stager, and I was very intent on reaching Stage 4 because I was framing it as the destination of the program. Typically, in those early days, my plan would be ‘I’ll listen to Stages 1, 2, and 3 for [such and such amount of time] then when I get to STage 4, I’ll lock it in and the sky’s the limit!’
I remember a little later listening to Alchemist and Quantum Limitless with the goal of creating a custom around stage 4 of both programs. “3 months per stage, and then stage 4 indefinitely!”
It was fun, many things happened, I enjoyed it. But now I approach things completely differently.
Last year, for example, I listened to Ecstasy of Gold stage I for a year. I was not ‘being patient’ or ‘resisting the impulse to continue to the next stage’. It was that that aspect of EoG functionality felt like exactly what I needed. I don’t know if or when I’ll play EoG 4. If my life and my mind feel right for it then I will.
But these days, I’m thinking more in terms of where I am and what I want or need. And letting things evolve from there.
Emperor Fitness was the first completely non-sequence based multi-stage program. And (I think) it really helped us to start thinking differently about how to engage with multi-stagers. In that case it was less of a multi-stager and more just a multi-part subliminal or multi-faceted subliminal.
Now we have 2 stagers and maybe one day 3-stagers
The benefit seems to be that multi-part subliminals allow greater breadth and more refined specialization within a unified theme.
So maybe one place things are evolving to is to have a more generic part or stage. And to then have other more specialized parts or stages.
As @Bull_of_Shiva_999 said, much more concisely:
It’s all pretty intriguing.
Just think, there’s an alternate timeline where Emperor Reforged is stage 1 of a multistage Emperor subliminal.
It was just a thought.
Yes.
Now with Adaptive Scripting being part of the mix and baked into all ZPU programs, there seems to be more possibility for this. I guess there are still limits to what the current version of Adaptive Scripting can do, though? And it’s probably still a good idea to choose a program, or the level of a multi-stage program, that seems to match reasonably well with where you are, what you want, and what actions you are ready to take at this time.
Dunno. We’ll see.
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I saw a company doing that already, so expensive omg ! Maybe it is a scam …