Main Disc. Thread - Season 4: Into the Wonder [9.28.25]

#7179

I don’t think many would argue with this view.

Myself included.

Who knows? In 10 years, maybe the average person will come to Subliminal Club and go through an evaluation and measurement process that results in defining/designing one bespoke subliminal that they use for the next 6 months to 1 year.

That seems a little weird, but it’s not impossible.

But I’m still wondering how much of this is about sub organization and how much of it is an ‘inside job’ (i.e., subject to the ways that we organize our perceptions).

I know that, originally, I used to think of Stage 4 as the “goal” of a multistage subliminal. My first ever purchase at Sub Club was a multi-stager, and I was very intent on reaching Stage 4 because I was framing it as the destination of the program. Typically, in those early days, my plan would be ‘I’ll listen to Stages 1, 2, and 3 for [such and such amount of time] then when I get to STage 4, I’ll lock it in and the sky’s the limit!’

I remember a little later listening to Alchemist and Quantum Limitless with the goal of creating a custom around stage 4 of both programs. “3 months per stage, and then stage 4 indefinitely!”

It was fun, many things happened, I enjoyed it. But now I approach things completely differently.

Last year, for example, I listened to Ecstasy of Gold stage I for a year. I was not ‘being patient’ or ‘resisting the impulse to continue to the next stage’. It was that that aspect of EoG functionality felt like exactly what I needed. I don’t know if or when I’ll play EoG 4. If my life and my mind feel right for it then I will.

But these days, I’m thinking more in terms of where I am and what I want or need. And letting things evolve from there.

Emperor Fitness was the first completely non-sequence based multi-stage program. And (I think) it really helped us to start thinking differently about how to engage with multi-stagers. In that case it was less of a multi-stager and more just a multi-part subliminal or multi-faceted subliminal.

Now we have 2 stagers and maybe one day 3-stagers

The benefit seems to be that multi-part subliminals allow greater breadth and more refined specialization within a unified theme.

So maybe one place things are evolving to is to have a more generic part or stage. And to then have other more specialized parts or stages.

As @Bull_of_Shiva_999 said, much more concisely:

It’s all pretty intriguing.

Just think, there’s an alternate timeline where Emperor Reforged is stage 1 of a multistage Emperor subliminal.

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It was just a thought.

Yes.

Now with Adaptive Scripting being part of the mix and baked into all ZPU programs, there seems to be more possibility for this. I guess there are still limits to what the current version of Adaptive Scripting can do, though? And it’s probably still a good idea to choose a program, or the level of a multi-stage program, that seems to match reasonably well with where you are, what you want, and what actions you are ready to take at this time.

Dunno. We’ll see.

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#7180

I saw a company doing that already, so expensive omg ! Maybe it is a scam …

#7181

Honestly, I’m pretty happy with where things are right now.

I tend to have trouble coming up with suggestions.

But I do love thinking about this stuff and experiencing Subliminal Club’s evolution.

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#7182

Me too, I just saw that few months ago

#7183

You have not miss any news. Emperor is last in this Wonder 4 Season.
After that Wonder 5 Season starts (as Saint stated). I guess WB would be in 5th.

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#7184

Hope WB is updated next year, I’ll listen to it with my KB st3 plan

#7185

While we’re throwing ideas around…

I’ve been thinking about a potential module that could be really interesting, especially for future romance and sex-related subliminals.

There’s a deeply rooted limiting belief I’ve carried pretty much my entire life, and despite working on myself, I haven’t been able to fully overcome it. I suspect quite a few other guys might relate to this.

It’s the belief that I simply don’t know how to communicate with women on a deeper, more emotional level.

I’ve often felt that my storytelling is boring, that I struggle to express myself in an engaging way, and that I can’t quite connect with women through conversation the way I’d like to. And unfortunately, these aren’t just imaginary insecurities — they’re genuine weaknesses I’ve experienced, especially in one-on-one interactions and situations where intimacy and emotional connection could develop.

Years ago, when I was interested in learning NLP-based seduction and communication techniques, I started reading about how men and women might differ in their communication styles, emotional expression, and perception of language.

The fascinating part is that, even after intellectually understanding some of these concepts, I could never consistently translate that knowledge into natural, authentic behavior. It’s almost as if something inside me prevents me from accessing or applying those skills.

Maybe something like Limit Destroyer could help with that underlying blockage.

But here’s where things get really interesting.

Back then, I read a relatively short book about NLP and attraction. If I remember correctly, the book itself seemed to be written using NLP-style language, almost as if it was designed to teach the reader through the experience of reading it, rather than just explaining techniques.

And something remarkable happened afterward.

For several days after finishing that book, I experienced something that reminded me of what people here sometimes describe as a trailer effect from subliminals.

I suddenly felt incredibly present, completely free of self-doubt, and naturally in the zone.

One day, I was hanging out with a male friend and a female friend when another woman joined us.

And somehow, I became a completely different person when it came to communication.

It genuinely felt as though the book had uploaded an entirely new communication skill directly into my brain.

I wasn’t consciously applying techniques, trying to remember what I’d read, or forcing myself to act differently.

Everything happened naturally and automatically, almost as if this ability had always been part of me and simply activated when a woman I was attracted to appeared.

My storytelling, choice of words, emotional expression, presence, and the way I connected with her all seemed to flow effortlessly.

The interaction felt almost like a PS-style reality bubble forming between us.

There was this extraordinary sense of emotional connection, as though we were touching each other on a much deeper level without physically touching at all.

She seemed genuinely mesmerized by the interaction, and honestly, I probably was too. It almost felt like our auras were merging, for lack of a better description.

Unfortunately, that state only lasted a few days, and I never managed to recreate it consistently.

But I’ve never forgotten that experience.

And that’s what inspired this module suggestion.

Module Suggestion: VoiceMerizer / Voicegasm — Effortless Romantic Communication & Skill Uploads

Imagine a module specifically designed to develop that kind of effortless, emotionally intelligent, captivating communication with women.

Not simply confidence, charisma, or knowing what to say, but the ability to naturally express yourself in a way that creates genuine emotional resonance, attraction, intimacy, and connection.

Something that makes engaging storytelling, playful conversation, emotional attunement, vocal expression, and deep one-on-one communication feel completely instinctive.

Almost like acquiring an entirely new skill without having to consciously think about using it.

Some possible names:

  • VoiceMerizer
  • Voicegasm
  • Talkgasm
  • The Art of Emotional Resonance

I believe Primal might already contain something somewhat related to this, although I’m not entirely sure.

But I’d love to see something much more specialized.

And that brings me to an even bigger idea:

What about an entirely new category of skill-focused modules or majors?

Imagine subliminal scripting designed around deeply integrating specific skill sets until they feel natural, automatic, and intuitive.

Almost like uploading a new capability into an LLM — or that iconic scene in The Matrix where Neo suddenly knows Kung Fu.

Obviously, I’m using that as an analogy rather than suggesting literal instant knowledge downloads.

But the idea of accelerating the internalization of complex skills, removing subconscious barriers to applying them, and making learned abilities feel completely second nature is incredibly fascinating to me.

This could extend far beyond romantic communication: storytelling, public speaking, negotiation, social intelligence, business communication, creativity, and countless other specialized abilities.

I realize that developing genuine skills still requires real-world experience and practice. But imagine a subliminal that helps bridge the gap between intellectually understanding a skill and being able to express it naturally, effortlessly, and instinctively.

That’s essentially what I experienced for those few days, and I’d love to know whether something along those lines could be explored through future scripting.

I’d be really interested to hear what @SaintSovereign, @Fire and the community think about this idea.

In a way, you guys are already heading in that direction.

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#7186

In 10 years, after a benevolent AI has taken over the world, every human will wake up in the morning and the AI will play a customized micro loop of ZP script to everyone on their phones.
So that everyone gets exactly the input that they will need on that particular day and make the most out of it.
All customized and optimized for each individual to progress in their best way possible.
All planned and overseen by the benevolent AI god that will lead humanity into a more advanced and developed future.
The AI cannot force humanity to ascend, but it can optimize the input that each and everyones gets fed with on a daily basis.

:eyes: :robot: :space_invader:

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#7187

@Doc
Simply post your module idea in the Roadmap forum category.

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#7188

What about using limitless Raikov? That’ll pretty much do the upload thing.

#7189

@SaintSovereign - An example of an excellent BUILD: Customized Major Titles would be something Like NEW Renaissance Man Core + Auteur (formerly Rembrandt). This would be very good Name Embedded for painters and designers.

Is this related to the Skill ased titles we discussed many months ago? The ability tp add skill modules like Ultimate Writer, Dance Mastery, Science Adept, etc to titles like RM Core or Limitless Core?

EDIT: of course Double Major Titles Name Embedded like RM Core + UWX Core (or IG: UPX Core or the Vibes Cores, etc) could also benefit.

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#7190

This is a very interesting insight. I just added The Stabilizer to stack with Heartsong Stage 1: Attuned, so I think I have an idea of what you’re referring to. The Stabilizer has this very driven and grounded feel to it. Very motivating to get things done.

The thing to remember is that the non-sequential method we use for multi-stagers essentially means that each stage is it’s own title, and the two titles are deeply bound by theme, not just “feel.” When we first started this format, we didn’t quite know how to explain this, so we went with a simplistic “Stage 1 and Stage 2,” (which contributes to the confusion) but in actuality, you’re looking at two different titles that covers the same ground from multiple points.

While there is a natural progression, that progression isn’t always necessary to fulfill your personal goals. For example, I will probably never run Stage 2, as I’ve subjected myself to so much alpha scripting that my goal now is to stabilize my life and close all leaks. I am not interested in the alpha scripting at all right now.

That’s the power of the two stage format. We can cover much more ground and separate certain elements of what the title explores, granting more versatility and value to the customer. So, instead of looking at it as “I have to run both stages to maintain my results,” you’re actually running two titles that are part of a larger whole, but can still be run independently without the other.

This saves you money – as single stagers are priced at $54.99 and two stagers are at 69.99, meaning there’s a built-in discount for getting them both rather than separately.

The other issue is the fact that the sensation and drive that The Stabilizer provides comes from the totality of the script. There isn’t any singular feature that gives it that feel – it’s how the entire script comes together. This is why it’s so difficult to mine a script for modules and the such, since it’s the entire script together that produces the effect. It’d be very difficult to produce the exact same results of The Stabilizer in Stage 2.

Instead, you have to approach this the same way as if you were running two separately labeled titles.

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#7191

Not to be a party popper or sound like a broken record that dismisses every possible good idea, but have you really used WANTED?

And not just using it, how has your baseline shifted?

I’m recommending it because every form of communication studying I’ve ever done automatically shifted into effortless expression.

Special mentions are

  • ZONE, yes Limitless: ZONE
  • RAIKOV
  • PEACE

Also, I understand exactly what you mean, as I had a similar sticking point. But nothing changed till I recognized that what is needed is actually action, no matter how un-smooth. Nothing will suddenly wipe off that possible unease that’s present in the beginning of a new skill cycle, you still need to get the stone rolling.

State shifting (in this case the NLP experience you had) will work, especially well at inhibiting initial drag. However, if there are conflicting subconscious structures, they will most likely supersede the state (especially so if the state isn’t anchored by more powerful subconscious structures/processes to support it). Hence, the inconsistency you experienced.

Another thing that really helped me was studying whatever material to a certain point, then taking months to gradually implement it (anytime I remember to do so).

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#7192

Daredevil too. Either the original or True Social. Quite a few titles will give these skills, it’s more a matter of their specific application which is either just conscious guidance or stacking. Not to say there couldn’t be one specifically for this.

#7193

In cases like Ascension, where the premise is that you run stage 1 first SO THAT you can get the best results possible from ST2, imo it makes sense to have very light scripting from ST1 still inside of ST1.

If I had to make a custom to solve the problem manually, I would do a name embedded Ascension ST2 + Essence: Stabilizer (I know that module doesn’t exist, but that’s what my ideal ST2 would look like without customization).

So as a product, I feel like ST2 would have been better for me personally with just an essence of ST1 still within it. Then I could choose to run ST1 as a period of intensive focus on those topics, but still maintain/grow the stabilizer results overall.

I wouldn’t worry about this with something like Renaissance Man: Vibes, which is a very different type of multi-stager. But since the philosophy of Ascension is ST2 is infinitely improved by ST1 (which I can confirm from experience) then why not add an essence of ST1 into ST2 so that it’s a complete experience.

One man’s opinion, however. Take it with a grain of salt

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#7194

Ultimately, this is why we created the Name Embedded Major Title service and the ESSENCE line (while we don’t have The Stabilizer ESSENCE yet, it’s coming). One could combine the two stages, or include the future ESSENCE.

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#7195

Live footage of me slamming both Renaissance Man stages in a name embed the moment they drop.

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#7196

I’ve actually run both WANTED and WB for quite some time in the past, and I definitely experienced some very positive changes from them.

Looking back, though, I think what I’ve been missing is a really solid foundation to fully capitalize on their potential. That’s something I’ve been working on with Gen. Asc.1 Stabilizer since its release, alongside my current wealth/execution stack.

Once I’ve built a more stable baseline and clear some other objectives, I’ll probably start WDB and focus more specifically on developing my authenticity and natural self-expression. Khan or Primal might also be worth considering as complementary titles down the road. :thinking:

What you said about conflicting subconscious structures overriding a temporary state actually makes a lot of sense, especially considering how naturally everything flowed during that NLP experience and how quickly it faded afterward.

And I agree about taking action, even when it feels awkward or unnatural at first. I guess what fascinated me so much about that experience was how effortlessly the knowledge seemed to translate into actual behavior, without any conscious effort to apply it.

That’s also what inspired the module suggestion in the first place, something that could help bridge the gap between learning a skill intellectually and expressing it naturally and instinctively. Not as a full replacement for practice, but as something that could make the process smoother.

Thanks for sharing your perspective and the additional title suggestions. You’ve given me some useful food for thought, and I think this might help me find a better approach to tackling this particular sticking point in the future.

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#7197

For some reason, I never really managed to get Daredevil to work for me back then. Maybe I just didn’t run it long enough.

But I definitely want to give the new True Social a try at some point. Thanks for reminding me! I think it could really help me work through some of my social sticking points.

For now, though, my priority is getting my finances in order and building a solid financial foundation first.

#7198

I’ve seen this bro. We become batteries for AI. It’s a trap. :rofl:

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