Azriel-All Wealth -Rainmaker

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#1204

I was also thinking of going back to K3 - it seemed to fit easier into my current life and I wanted the focus on dating abundance. I asked support and they said

Stage 3, clearly, and it isn’t close.

WHY STAGE 3 IS THE ROMANTIC MANIFESTATION STAGE

Khan ST3’s description names it directly. It contains extensive manifestation technology to ensure you are always surrounded by beautiful women who desire to know you, be taken by you, and respond positively to your advances. That is romantic manifestation stated as a headline feature, not inferred.

The rest of the stage is built around the same thing. Extreme raw sexuality described as integral to all your interactions with women, radiating as an aura. Seduction scripting arising from dominance and authority, expanded and optimized, aimed at rapidly seducing those you desire. Intuitive guidance that tells you which women will be most receptive and coaches you through the seduction itself. There’s even a passage on the “deer in headlights” reaction becoming commonplace.

So Stage 3 is the stage where Khan’s romantic pull is the point rather than a consequence.

WHAT STAGE 4 ACTUALLY ADDS

You’re right that Stage 3’s content is inside Stage 4 - ST4 is described as combining Total Reprogramming and Total Action along with its own additional features.

But look at what those additional features are. ST4 adds rapid intuitive decision-making, complete independence and self-sufficiency, and extensive social and professional manifestation for expanding your network and making strategic connections. Social and professional. Not romantic.

So the romantic scripting in ST4 is inherited rather than emphasized, and it’s now one thread among many in a much wider build. Stage 3 points nearly everything at that outcome; Stage 4 spreads the same material across decision-making, independence, networking and life alignment.

That’s your answer on potency and speed. Not because ST4 is weaker, but because romance is a smaller share of a larger build.

IF ROMANCE IS THE CURRENT PRIORITY

Then Stage 3 is the stage for it. It’s where the dedicated manifestation, the sexual aura and the seduction guidance all sit at full weight rather than sharing the build with independence and professional networking.

Worth deciding deliberately which you want from Khan right now, because the two stages genuinely pull toward different outcomes - and it sounds like you already observed that in practice before you asked the question."

Then I asked

It says in the copy that Stage 4 is the stage where romantic abundance really starts to show? So I get K3 is more focused but it really is exponentially that much strong for romance the K4?

and they said

Hello,

Your reading of the copy is correct, and it changes the ranking I gave you.

STAGE 4 IS THE ROMANTIC ABUNDANCE STAGE

"Khan’s Stage 4 section states it plainly: this is the stage where true romantic abundance begins to show, and as you continue listening, more and more women will become affected - and on a vastly deeper level.

It also says the sexual and social dominance in Khan Complete have been dialed to the maximum and will push you to make use of it. Maximum, at Stage 4.

So Stage 4 is stronger for romance, not weaker. Stage 3 has the dedicated manifestation line I quoted, but Stage 4 contains that material and then raises dominance to its ceiling on top of it. Your own experience and the reports you’ve seen from others line up with what the page says.

Which answers your last question directly: Stage 4 for attracting the most women, Stage 4 for going out and meeting them, and Stage 4 for the right woman specifically - because the alignment function is what brings your relationships into line with the life you’re actually building."

So I’m not exactly clear- as I can see the smaller scripting and focus

@SaintSovereign Between K3 and 4, which is the best for the highest level of abundance, opportunity with women, full attraction, and seduction? What about the fastest-acting for it?

I want to run one of them with HS Stage 1

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#1205

We talked about this privately but I’m still surprised that this happened because since being on ST1 my instincts and ability are on top (with the exception of when I don’t get enough sleep but that happens even without ST1 usually it’s good with good sleep). My only feeling is either your stack is too dense or my intuition is telling me Khan doesn’t mix well with TS (only thing I can think of since I don’t use that nor have ever really did. Always though and always will Wanted and WB are the best sub ever for those uses cases. I don’t even know why Khan exist in the first place because of how good WB is (back when I was using it a long time ago)).

#1206

You and I have massively different growth points- EOG: True Sell Stage 1 covers things I have nailed to a tee; it doesn’t mean I can’t benefit from them and maybe eek out better performance, but there also not lynch pins in my process. Its also introduces things that undermine my current process- with conviction based on evidence, and a combintation of not reading the prospect as well, while being more ‘attuned’ to theme emotionally. I’ll explain in another posts, it also lacks charisma, and verbal mastery -and confidence that comes from conviction (that is more in stage 3 covers those more from a commercial, not personal standpoint) It’s built on the pyschology of what creates effective sales character as skills, less actually selling and closing skills. Those are spread out throughout the stages.

As of now the cieling of this sub seems the base I am on , and while this subs might eventually create a higher ceiling, I’d have to go down a level to get there.

I’m also getting no rapport, trust, or less authority on this sub, I am over-selling, over talking, I find myself lack immediate conviction and flow where I never had trouble before and coming across more ‘salesy’ than I ever have based off people’s feedback then I have. Ironically I also feel each deal matters more. My close has gone from 1-3 people a day to going days without closing. Now I am making up for that in sales burst and higher ASP on certain deals

I think what is happening is there is a lot of ‘questioning’ that is happening in instill new habits, and I’ve already built structures aroud those that let me perform without questioning those things

definitely not with the old TS, maybe the case with the new one, but nothing support or the forum has said would suggest that.

Khan is a completely different sub than WB - it is about growth, deep sense of self, clarity, status, and ambition as much as it is around women or sleeping around. The ability to scale life and self is much higher on Khan than WB, even though WB can lead to amazing experiences and results.

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#1207

Don’t forget what I said. Support is well not great on things that are not in the sales page lol.

As for the forum, you also have to keep in mind that your one of the top person in the sales space on the forum so I’m pretty no one can compare to you in those terms on here (take the compliment haha).

I get that I mean purely for romance goals. WB and Wanted is still the best.

My only wish/dream was that ST1 was more manifestation heavy than skills heavy but luckily I have the rest of my stack to make that happen.

#1208

I’ll write more at depth on it. But this is what support said around it

Summary

Hello,

Thank you for the detail, and for the follow-up. You have described the effect precisely, which makes it possible to answer it properly.

What the new Stage 1 is, and what it is not

The earlier True Sell module was a skills module: a silver tongue, monetising anything, negotiating the big deal, written to combine with speech-craft modules. The Ecstasy of Gold: True Sell Stage 1 is a different kind of title. Its page says plainly that it builds the person the numbers come from: the seller who does not need the yes, does not flinch at the price, and does not lose the next three calls to the last bad one. It is a survey across the whole craft, and it is deliberately the broadest and least flashy of the four stages.

So to your direct questions:

  • Confidence is there, and it is a central theme, but of a specific kind: confidence that does not rise and fall with any single deal (Power Before the Pitch, Unshakeable), and confidence drawn from your own commercial history (Evidence of Demand).
  • Presence and delivery are there: The Natural Seller (presenting value without a persona or hedging) and Voice of Authority (level, unhurried delivery that gives your prices and boundaries weight).
  • Reading people, influence and closing are there in a quieter form: The First Two Minutes, The Second Answer, The Direct Ask, Deals That Hold. The heavier persuasion, objection and conviction work sits in Stage 3 (The Close), which has Conviction Transfer and the objection-diagnosis features.
  • Selling yourself outside commercial transactions: yes, and this is where Stage 1 travels furthest. What most of its features develop is the person rather than the technique: not needing the outcome (Power Before the Pitch, Full Effort Clean Release), speaking without hedging or a persona (The Natural Seller), earning trust in the first two minutes of a conversation, asking plainly for the next step (The Direct Ask), staying level when someone pushes back (Unshakeable), recovering from a no before it colours the next conversation (The Ninety-Second Reset), listening past the first answer (The Second Answer), and stating your number and letting it stand (Paid Without Flinching). Every one of those shows up in a promotion conversation, a negotiation, a first date or a room of strangers as readily as on a sales call. What the title does not carry is charisma as a feature in its own right; its version of that is presence and authority, which is a quieter thing than the old module’s silver tongue.

A note on how the page is written, because it matters for this question

Every feature on the True Sell page is described through a sales situation: the price challenge, the cold call, the follow-up that slipped. That is framing to help you see what the feature does; it is not a boundary on where it works. Each feature develops the capacity itself, and a capacity comes with you into every room. The Ninety-Second Reset is described as one lost call not spoiling the next three, but what it builds is the ability to take a no and be clean for the next conversation, whoever it is with. Unshakeable is described as staying level when a buyer challenges the price, but what it builds is staying level when anyone challenges you. Read the features that way and you will find that most of Stage 1 has practical use well beyond how the page describes it, which is also why the presence and flow you felt on that first day showed up in how you carried yourself, not only in the sale.

On evidence-based confidence

You have read the objective correctly, and your instinct about what it does to you is worth taking seriously rather than dismissing. The title is built on the position that confidence drawn from evidence is sturdier than confidence you have to manufacture each morning; it is the design, not an accident, and it runs through Stages 1, 2 and 4. If your selling has run for years on conviction for its own sake, and that has worked, then a title that quietly asks “where is the evidence” is going to feel like doubt at first, because it is questioning the mechanism you were using. That is a genuine adjustment, and it can look and feel exactly like reconciliation.

The honest answer to “is this reconciliation or getting used to it” is: probably both, and four days is far too early to separate them. Reconciliation is the frustration of an inner shift colliding with unchanged habits, and its classic marks are the ones you list: overthinking, fumbling, a strong pull back to the old way, and a drop in results while the new pattern is unformed. The fact that ten seconds of the old custom restored your closing does not settle it either way. It tells you the old pattern is intact and available, which was never in question.

Can it replace the old True Sell in your custom?

Not one for one. The old module was pure sales skill and speech-craft. The new Stage 1 is seller psychology plus habits, with the skill layer distributed across all four stages. If what you valued was the verbal edge, the conviction and the fast reading of people, those live more in Stage 3 than in Stage 1, and Stage 1 was never designed to be the strongest closer of the four.

What I would suggest, in order of how much it respects what is already working for you:

  1. If your old custom closes one to three a day, that is not a custom to abandon during a live pipeline. Keep running it as your working custom while you test the new title, rather than switching cold.
  2. Give Stage 1 a full cycle at microloops before judging it. Its page describes gains that compound: fewer opportunities lost to hesitation, poor habits and leakage. Those show over weeks, not days, and its first days can be the roughest precisely because it questions the running pattern.
  3. If after a cycle the loss of edge is still there, the fit for you is more likely Stage 3 (The Close), which is where conviction, objection handling and pricing under pressure live, with R.I.C.H. and NWE unchanged beside it.

And a note on the day you closed the large sale after ten seconds: that is real, and it is what the title’s presence and steadiness look like when they land. The drop that followed is the other half of the same shift.

The listening guidance for a new title, including how to step exposure up and back, is at https://instructions.subliminalclub.com

Best regards,

Support Team

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#1209

I’ve tested two subliminal recently. I did not wash out
this is not a ‘clean’ test but want to share my results .

I did 1 total minute of Heartsong Attuned and 1 minute EOG True Sell Stage 4. I’ll say which I think did what.

Heartsong

This might be one of my favorite subs of all time. I started to fall in love with my own life. It felt full, and I was present to and blown away by how much I have going on, how ‘full’ my life is. I’m highly successful, have tons of incredible friends, a life full of meaningful things and family, and I literally couldn’t ‘feel’ it. I still was grateful and enjoyed my life but I felt I was walking around with an emptiness and hole that I intuited. This was as dramatic as it sounds at times but not all consuming. Since May I have been in various forms of ‘loss’ around woman. Alongside fire and romance, and adventure, loss has been permeating my experience, and an attempt to overcompensate for that loss with independence and drive. Heartsong started to dismantle that. My life felt/feels like a full dance. Since running the 60 seconds I’ve gone up and down. I’m both very ‘needy’ and completely not needy. I get attached, loyal, and caring very quickly and I feel like I’m abandoning people even if they pull away. My ego also can take a hit especially with certain 180 dynamics. In Heartsong I felt this had less punch/ impact, I could still see it but it matter less. The day after my desire for my last partner grew tremendously almost painfully sad but not destabilizing. I was not in love with her, but her mind, her strength, and sweetness, her fun, her ability to get shxxt but also totally submit, her contrasts fascinated me, super high achieving professional, quirky, artsy, dainty, but totally sexually, their was like a quite innocent hum to who she is - her being and our connection. As weird as it sounds it was like this mr. Rogers energy- of total unconditional love, peace, and the quite beauty of life.

And she is completely not ‘choosing/ pursuing me’ now for whatever reason - and that’s painful but profoundly okay and doesn’t diminish whatever it was we had. Like I can ‘lead’ her into maybe engaging again, but she can also disappear if I don’t and at this point doing that has no sustainable or traction.

It doesn’t quite solve this part of me that wants to be so ‘the thing’ and wanted that people don’t ever want to leave out of their own will.

I still would love to feel the power and pull of others truly pursing me and choosing me or at least fully engaging me the way I engage them- and I started to feel that on Khan. That part I am present to mattering to me (I am curious how this would stack with wanted will ask at bottom. )

Also not sure if because stacked with Khan but my sense of dropping in and fully relating to people amplified. My presence seemed way stronger and more relaxed and like I had an irresistible wholeness that was ‘hotter’ than the ‘sexiest’ thing could ever be. At times it felt like I was feeling who I was before trauma, not just relationship trauma, but trauma of a life I didn’t expect or turn out. Did no expect this from Heartsong. Although honestly seeing now relationships trauma and how I pull away from that has massively defined my adulthood. I did at points start to get a sense of ‘my note’ it felt more like self love at first and this almost ecstatic sense of viewing myself like someone who was in love with me, and then it started to come from within.

I think this is a mix from K4 but I started to get this sense of how incredible unique and special I was, no one is like me, no one has what I have,—it sounds narcissistic but it was not— I was more in awe of myself and genuinely realizing how lucky who ever I am with is/would be.
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There is both a wholeness and a detachment that is SOO missing from the other seduction subs. Wanted Black actually has something similar in its own flavor. Primal a bit -but it feels more lost in ‘state’ or experience. This feels like a more holistic view. K4 with the independent but its not intrinsic , it feels relationships to not relying on the world or others and be able to make it all on owns own.

I did also see my perfect mystical physical type the day I ran -same as last time I ran heartsong. Woman with multicolored hair- but seem incredible put together beside that. Last time it was a gorgeous Asian woman with purple hair, this time it was a turquoise and pink. I never see or notice this except when on Heartsong. Its not just that its their energy, eyes, physique, mannerism, and a bunch of other things I wont get into here.

@qOS how would wanted and Heartsong stack?

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#1210

EOG: True Sell Stage 4

It didn’t have any direct impact on my sales yet. I tested in a two title custom with K4. Which I’ve been running for 2 months now after going through the stages.

I am running ASBR/C&C- and I think they may stack beautifully with this but however in the two days since running this :

I have created a spreadsheet with my budget and subscriptions, its a lot of stuff, balanced transfer my cards onto 21 month zero APR, created a whole plan to eliminate my debt (I could pay it off all at once but I don’t want to - I wanted a smarter way to continue to build capital while investing and earning) bought two suits for $4000 because I just knew I needed them (I never even dress formally). Created an employee spotlight at my company - where I found a way to communicate all my uniqueness, professionalism, engagement, while making it seam seamless, purposeful, heartfelt, intentional, and not taking myself too seriously. Got asked to give a talk to the team on effectively closing.

There is this incredibly social, self expressed vibe to this that I didn’t expect. It works really well with the harshness of Khan. I can ‘feel’ myself owning myself as a brand and moving through the spaces of what that looks like. I’m thinking about it. I can’t stop thinking about optimizing and maximizing my life. My intuition is this links really well with C&C and/or ASBR and they’re bringing out the best in eachother.

But I’ve run that for 9 months and a lot of this seems totally new. I am looking for and open for ways to develop capital outside my job in a way I’ve never felt so inspired and driven by. The feeling is one of velocity and momentum building. I also am looking to optimize all my current revenue and assets NZT style. I don’t quite feel that pull for sales calls themselves or for developing business but I can see those both becoming online next

No my lead quality and closes are still mediocre -I am having trouble adjusting my performance to the new True Sell- my revenue was $50K lower than most months for me, however I only worked 3 weeks. My main concern is my close rate dropped 12 % . 8 of my clinch sales came from running 10 or so seconds of my previous custom to get back in gear. My ASP went up enormously though- Less sales and more big ones. That is NOT winning strategy- its a maintaining high performance in a tight way, that’s not reliable or as fun day to day. Happy to maintain or elevate the ASP but my close % must go up. I do think the new EOG: True Sell stage 1 update custom contributed to some of those big closes though.

I am a total loss of what to run in my stack now. I have so many goals Heartsong Attuned is really calling to maintain in my stack. I have a super important network event coming up that the last woman I was with may be at as well, which adds to the stakes. Will right more on my thoughts of what stack to land on next soon.

@qOS for stacking with EOG True Sell Stage 4 in sales what is better ASBR or C&C. Or what is the difference and redundancies. What about stacking all three together or in a custom with NWE?

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#1211

@qOS How does Khan 4 stack up with ASBR- what are the advantages and disadvantages ot it? Does it deviate from Khan’s romance or sexuality?

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#1212

@qOS is navigating authority with integrity in Crown & Capital? Or some version of it?

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#1213

@qOS, how do Khan Black Stage 1 and Khan Stage 1 differ in sexual healing?
Could they be stacked? What would this combo be like?

How would Khan Stage 4 be affected by Khan Black Stage 1 in a stack or custom?

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#1214

@qOS

Do Wanted and Khan Stage 4 help in the bedroom or with sexual performance? How so, and to what degree? Is partner satisfaction and experience factored in, or please explain the extent that is involved and how it shows up in the scripting and intention.

I understand Wanted Black specificially does, how do Wanted and Khan Stage 4 though?

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#1215

Did a 4 day washout and testing new True Sell STage 1 in custom.

I love emotional elements of it and just dispositional prefer it but I am just no where near as sharp on calls and no where near as potent at bringing the ship to a close. Also my sense of confidence in myself, the product, the situation is no where near as strong.

I feel the lack of verbal master, general alpha confidence, and persuasion is a huge missing here.

My experience overwhelming when I do Stage 1 in all my tests is the same path maps out
I sound professional and matter of fact but there is no connection with the prospect, I can’t get at the heart of what matters, its all formal and matter of fact. And people have said or commented about things being ‘salesy’ more times since testing stage 1 then in the 2 years prior to that. I seem to be generating sales resistance on it. I don’t feel in recon on it and am kind of surprised. But could be recon.

I know the barometer for confidence is different in new True Sell- previously is was frame and confidence for its own sake, now its best on value and experience. I think this is a huge mistake in sales. As everyone I know who is amazing at sales , especially entrepreneurs, and b2c base it confidence on possibility and choice not evidence. My coach who does 2 million a year in coaching, and his coach who does 50 million a year talk about confidence as a form of faith and belief in oneself and looking for evidence for it is a losing game. In private equity work I see more confidence in track record. Even there though my main point of contact, always said his process was creating irrational confidence first and then doing everything he could to fulfill on it

Stage 4 I tested for a bit and that appeals the most to me. That flows best with my stack
Stage 3 I tested previously, and the calm is great in it, I’d need to test more but didn’t see a meaningful difference in experience or close rate.

I get the value of the multi-stage pipeline approach but
I’d love to see a single stage wealth manifestation and verbal mastery True Sell Black in the future that focuses on the essence, the influence, the confidence, and the wealth in one

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#1216

The issue is that you’re entering the tests with a lot of preconceived notions about things, and ZPU is very consciously guided. Much of what you’ve stated here doesn’t exactly match the scripting, but rather the framing of the copy. For example:

This, most certainly does not apply to True Sell, as the script itself is VERY connection oriented, pulling from the original version of Polyglot, which was originally named “Human Connection.” Furthermore, at your level of expertise, Stage 1 is probably not even the right title for you and I’m curious why you chose to explore that one.

For example:

@Azriel – at this point in time, you do not need this. You obviously do not need this, you have already developed this capacity on your own. I mean, you took on the roughest wealth title we have: The Revelation of Wealth and if I recall, enjoyed the results. This indicates someone who has long surpassed foundational level titles, or even “survey stage,” like Stage 1.

You are already an expert at what you do, this is a foundation building stage that covers the entire system, but not in-depth.

At this point, you should be approaching this with scalpel level precision. For you, running Stage 1 is like returning back to the basics to strengthen them (which, is a wise move if that’s what you’re looking for), but you expect just that – a return to the foundations, re-encountering issues you may have had at the very beginning of your sales career.

The individual you’re referring to, while I won’t challenge his sales knowledge, I will most certainly challenge that idea of “confidence for its own sake,” calling confidence a form of “faith.” Confidence is a skill that can be developed and acquired, just like any other – and we’ve proven that time and time again with the alpha titles and even titles like Heartsong. Attuned generates an “alpha” feeling like no other – and it is very hard to explain, but it isn’t generated through confidence as “faith,” but rather confidence as the byproduct of inner wholeness and self-sovereignty.

For an individual – one new to sales – that is running Stage 1, attempting to build confidence through that manner is fragile. They do not have the history of successful sales to build that foundation of confidence upon. As soon as they hit a slow period, that fragile inner state will collapse because there is no empirical evidence to back that up. In fact, attempting to do this through subliminal audio would bring about a sense of delusional confidence, which is detrimental to long-term success.

It simply does not work the way people think it would. True confidence is built through having a long list of successes, evidence that the individual can actually achieve what they claim, so that their inner sense of worth is based upon what has been accomplished, not what they THINK they can achieve – and when they cannot, collapsing into despair as that illusion is shattered.

Secondly, none of our sales people are testing the title as long as they should. Now, of course, I understand why – sales will be impacted while the individual works through the issues, but this is the same situation as C&C all over again. A long-term title designed to build an entire career is being evaluated through micro tests. Now, I accepted this in our discussions of OG R.I.C.H, especially since our sales people who patronize Subliminal Club have very established, very stable pathways of manifestation. That makes sense – the customers who meets the prerequisites of a phenomenal R.I.C.H run are getting the best, mind-blowing results.

However, given that True Sell is a potent ZPU title, you should definitely expect the same kind of touch and go turmoil in the early stages. Results going up and down. One shouldn’t expect to master a title just because they are a master of their field. I’m seeing this same result with The Stabilizer, even though I have a natural ability to lead, command and stabilize situations that have become chaotic. I mean, when I’m at my best, I have a remarkable ability to turn chaos / crisis into order and to regenerate and pull wisdom from experiences. Nonetheless, The Stabilizer is showing me all kinds of things I missed, all kinds of leaks that escaped my attention.

I’m sure you’ve said it before, but if you could lay out your exact goals in a bullet format, I think we can find the perfect stack, without you having to toss away the customs you’ve invested in.

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#1217

Understood, even though I could get value by strengthening this foundation , I also both don’t need it as a leverage point AND risk dealing with more beginner like steps.

This is likely what is happening something similar. I’m not coasting on strengths but being brought to what is not working.

Honestly I can see this with certain missing’s it might help in the long run, but not the highest leverage point currently.

I mean for sure. Stage 4 is excellent and very in line with what I want in the near/ long term but not clear if it would be sufficient as the only True Sell in my stack for day to day performance. I highly value its benefits. Stage 1 is too rudimentary, and stage 2 is not needed because I am not prospecting and my pipeline is full but not always full of quality leads.

That leads Stage 3 as the performance horse in the new true sell for day to day. The question is to stack alongside OG True Sell, Stage 4 or both.

In my mind the highest leverage points for me are lead alignment calendared, profound ability to connect, earn trust, take authority and guide people to close, tertiary would be maintaining mood and staying in the zone so I can keep closing, but also have me brushing the non-fits off without making it mean anything about my daily, or competitive performance.

Honestly as I’m writing this I feel like what I am struggling with is nothings working , like everything that can go wrong will wrong, wrong leads, right leads wrong thing happens, wrong situation can’t be overcome. I know there are ups and downs for sure and this also has less to do with subs and more the landscape of my company lately and my own strong self judgement and performance pressure- since I am still doing very well comparatively just not where I want to be this month.

On good sales call people show up with some combination of generosity, intention, logic, energy or there is turning point where they start generating these things and it starts to feel like there pursuing the sale more and its a formality to finish it. This is the effect OG True sell is great at and it gets amplified with Wanted Variants. When I’ve tested Wanted alongside sales stack there are times people are eager to make things work. I was almost imaging and upgrade would have more situations like this or give me more capacity to have people ‘step’ into that as the dynamic. When I imagine improvements in my sales ability at this point, its more qualified leads with high revenue potential and more conversations like that or ability to create conversations like that. Also I often get people commenting on me and saying things like I’m betting on the Jockey not the horse with you, or the way you show up has me have confidence in the service, or thank you for helping with this-you made this easy when I was lost. So I think a huge focus of what has many sales work in my field is simply people’s view of me and what I leave them with less than any slip up in the sales process. Its an active beacon towards something they wouldn’t have done otherwise.

OG True Sell is a performance enhancer, meaning it gets me in the zone and has me in-dominantable and always progressing on calls. I imagine Stage 3 will come the closest even though some of the scripting with be go unused for b2c short cycle sales

Yes that is a better way of communicating it. Confidence that comes from wholeness. When I say faith and internal confidence I mean based on a choice /realization as a way of being and primarily and secondarily a willingness to find a way to produce a result based on confidence in one’s self efficacy and commitment. It is declarative, not necessarily evidence based. The person who earns 2 million a year is not specifically a sales coach, but he works on sales with many entrepreneurs, sales people and coaches. He is a coach-coach. Meaning he often has no idea how to himself produce the result people are looking for and often works with people significantly more successful than himself in fields he knows nothing about and still delivers value for them. He doesn’t need evidence of his ability to do that specifically, but has evidence at this point of his own competency in finding a way. So I suppose the two are circuitous at some point. Since the market won’t let someone continue to achieve success without delivering value on some level.

100% agreed This is the beginning of my third real week of testing it after interrupting my previous run of it. It’s not enough to meaningful gauge and while I have a quick sense of how subs impact my day to performance its still informative. Its not saying how it would be in the long run. I actually am coming to really like it socially, maybe even romantically, especially in my stack, but on sales calls I’m struggling more.

As far as C&C where its different is that C&C turned around after enough time and when switching to new R.I.C.H. which has a very synergistic combination. Your saying stage 1 EOG: True Sell is not for me. based on where I am it.

C&C was just a different use case than how I had used HOM previously.

100% agreed again and thank you for pointing out this distinction.

For my overall goals, I actually need to give that some reorienting thought as this point, which I will journal about soon.

Sales and work wise

  1. Manifest/find/ attract the highest quality leads meaning high sale price potential. I have a round robin Calendly where marketing can schedule inbound leads. I have a small degree of outreach, follow up, and people calling in I can capitalize on but mostly inbound lead marketing will determine my lead flow and quality. Now this has/was impacted by subs 100% previously so even with no direct casual pathway I believe and have seen this alter based on subs. With C&C there was a meritocracy structure that significantly boosted this but its been dissolved.

  2. Have high flow factor on calls, and be able to close people who have any chance of closing. Highly qualified good leads will closer easier at higher prices but generally raise my close % across all potential lead categories.

  3. Use my current and untapped skills to generate income through my own business in coaching, consulting, and products.

  4. Raise capital from Limited Partners. Institutions, RIAs, high net worth individuals, and Family Offices.

3 and 4 can tie together but don’t need too,.

I’m also thinking a sub like Khan Black or Peace may be beneficial in my stack. For both connection, and energy, and more clarity/ less noise.

Anyway I appreciate your full response here.

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#1218

@SaintSovereign I know in the pass we had a lot of talks about this and conversations but I still agree with @Azriel about this for True Sell (for the two goals I mea) - (my PM that you got shows what I mean as well with proof of it for the main work):

If there’s two things I’d really want to see are those two @SaintSovereign (which I know you already mentioned you we’re going to talk and see how this would be possible with @Fire. On that topic, any updates about that?). Honestly this could just be accomplished as modules so it wouldn’t need a dedicated title for it but these are truly the backbone of success and making the most income at least for someone like Azriel or me who have stable pathways with amazing sales offers, etc as you mentioned to us.

To add to this (this is for the business that I do sales for not the main work), I went on another competitor sales call yesterday with a competitors that’s making multiple 5 figures every month. I kid you not this was possibly the worse sales call I’ve ever been on and this is a company that makes at least 20-100k monthly if I had to assume. The sales person was low energy, was acting “too alpha” like machacho, making me sleepy and I wanted to leave the call 10 minutes after it started and overall if I was a real prospect I wouldn’t buy the offer solely because of the sales person. On top of this, their offer is way less good in terms of value compared to ours and no guarantees either but they still make more because they get a high volume of high quality leads.

So my point being, for someone like me who’s been on 3+ competitor sales call now and can confidently say my own sales performance is 100% better than theirs without being cocky. Technical skills/sales performance is not an area I need improvement right now, I need experiences and high quality leads manifestations that can be closed as Azriel said that allow me to use my skills to close them and get them as a client. As I mentioned in the forum and over our PM convo, when those leads come in I close them easily because of my skills and there’s no issues. The real bottleneck is just the low volume of high quality leads manifestations coming in.

To give some further data on 3 ad campaigns we ran and the lead manifestations results on each one (more than happy to share the screenshots of it by PM as I always did with other stuff @SaintSovereign ):

1 - Had a 90% close rate with a 90% show rate and a 15k in added revenue with 3 clients and 1 lost (never showed up to the call) - (first ever campaign).

2 - Had a 40% close rate with a 100% show rate due to 3 of the booked calls being low quality leads that weren’t even looking for coaching and had no real pain points so in reality they we’re unqualified. 2 closed due to being high quality leads leading to 10k in added revenue.

3 - Had a 0% close rate due to 0 high quality. 90% of the leads never answered my first message (i know the message is not the issue because it always had a high reply rate) so basically they we’re low quality leads to begin with and the 3 leads that did show up and I had a call with 1) loved the offer but had zero money and was in huge debt so he didn’t become a client aka no budget and 2) we suspect was a competitor and had no real pain points and ghosted us shortly after the call ended and 3) said he will give us a update a few days later but ghosted us even tho he said he liked our offer the most and budget wasn’t an issue so it resulted in the most expensive ad campaign with 0$ added revenue.

Diving deep into these 3 campaigns, the sales process for all 3 was exactly the same (in fact my sales performance was at it’s best in the third campaign as I got the experience from the previous sales calls to become better. This was mentioned by my business partner and the coach we use to help us grow the business so it proves it’s not a performance issue) so there’s a proven framework that works and gives results. Only difference is one of the campaigns (the last one) had 0 high quality lead manifestations causing it to not having any success.

If there’s a module or a solution to this I’d love to hear it. I’m similar to Azriel where I think ST1 helped me to get the foundation but I now need something where I can actually use my good sales performance to succeed the most.

Hopefully this additionally context helps :laughing:

#1219

@Plutus you know I love you but

I meant that to document my experience and to just start journal again
I do not want to turn this into a platform of campaign against or for anything lol

I do agree OG RICH revamp that maximizes established pathways or a module for lead quality at high volume would be a really coo thing but it will not replace skills, influence, or character as a sales pro.

Sidenote: maybe a RICH subset that blends previous EOG Stage 2- in finding the next pathway to establish could be really cool too.

That said while were here and since you put it on my journal, here are some thoughts

We can’t mix different fields to look at what is ‘missing’ in different sales subs.

In Private Equity I can’t ‘manifest’ leads the same way it involves net working and prospecting and research. It will part of the equation.

Manifestation exception

Summary

(Well I actually want to say they won’t just ‘show up’ but I did just find the perfect connection to very large institutional investments through a random connection. I believe this is a C&C result since it was access not capital yet. I have a custom that adds Essence: Social Mangetism for when networking so I believe that contributed too. I met the family member of someone who advises some of the larger institutions in America that invest in exactly the niche I’m raising. He was proactively looking for managers in that niche for his brother. )

In running your own business and doing your own ‘marketing’ it will be the same thing. The offer, the authority, the business presentation, the ad spend and strategy, all tie into the lead quality.

If were talking about inbound sales from marketing outside of our action purvey on a W2 job that is one thing. That is what I am speaking about. You have talked about lead quality being a missing in both your B2B W2 role and your own business but there very different issues.

Also I talk to 4000-6000 people a year in B2C - so I have a ton of experience non-stop. The skill becomes a HUGE part in addition to lead quality.

Dude if I am reading this right you had 12 calls, 1 no show, 5 closes, that is 45.5% close rate in high ticket sales, $25K total revenue at sounds like $5K ASP.

Depending on the CAC of those customers that is freaking great. You don’t have a quality issue you have a volume issue. At 100 leads with the same metrics, 90% call held rate, 45.5% close % and $5K ASP your doing $202,500 month.

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#1220

Oh nono I’m not doing any of that and Saint knows it. I’m just showing more evidence for the lead manifestation module idea I had a few weeks ago that Saint mentioned he would discuss with Fire.

True but they relate in a way.

Yep.

100% that’s what I mean too but also the last ad campaign was brutal with zero revenue generated.

If we’re keeping in mind similar lead quality to the first and second ad campaign yes. If it was similar to the third one, that would still probably be zero.

But 100% volume is part of the issue but that still comes down to lead manifestations as the issue is we don’t even get that volume in the first place to get there.

Hence why I mentioned sales performance is not an issue all of those clients became clients because of the sales performance I had + having a wordclass offer. EoG: True Sell is an amazing sub (as I’ve said multiple times) but the results I get are in terms of technical skills and performance when in reality lead volume is what I need.

Offer is worldclass, presentation is wordclass but can have some improvements (in terms of the presentation deck), authority is overall good. Ad spend is about 3-5k per month, strategy might be a bottleneck but we follow what that coach tells us to do which works for his clients in the space and has worked for us literally a 1-2 months ago but no longer does.

For context @Azriel , we did hire a new coach for organic content leads so let’s see how it goes it should increase lead quality and volume. I will 100% share the results privately in our PM (that you’re in as well with the evidences and screenshots) for the discussion if anything happens from it.

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#1221

This was my main issue, and I think a big point is there are quite a few things that are outside of our control when it comes to sales and so outside of performance and KPIs, it’s hard to attribute just to subs/stacks. Economy is crazy right now and people have less spending power in general, company marketing budgets fluctuate, lead flow we also don’t control, etc.

I ended up just jumping ship for a different opportunity which I think is sometimes the biggest lever we can can pull, but also would just be conscious that there is a lot of external elements that can effect your commissions at the end of the day.

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#1222

Yo debating on whether to just update this old custom for the newer cores/tech; or rebuilding it. Any modules you feel this is missing?

  1. True Sell Core
  2. R.I.C.H. Core
  3. NWE Core
  4. Synergy Divine Dominon
  5. Synergy 42
  6. Synergy Winner Overdrive
  7. Fenrir
  8. Furious Ascent
  9. Cosmic Wealth
  10. Financial Success Reality SHifter
  11. Unrelenting Wealth Motivation
  12. Fortunes Favorite
  13. Power Talk
  14. Direct Influencing Aura
  15. Kings Radiance
  16. Faith Unyielding
  17. Gratitude Embodiment
  18. Iron Frame
  19. Lion IV
  20. Subconscious Flow
#1223

@qOS

is Emperor Daddy the best sub for dating younger woman? I’m 38 -

Would Khan or Wanted Black attracted younger woman as well. I mean like 25-35? Or is there something in Emperor Daddy that works better for this?

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