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[ksub]

@Benny

It’s that the “detached coldness” you mentioned feels less like “Empire Building” and more like “Social Friction.” To build an empire, I need to navigate complex dynamics and high-stakes legal agreements.

That “detached coldness” is exactly what I was looking for. As someone who has always been overtalkative and social to a fault (bordering on people pleasing), that detachment and coldness is heaven-sent. C&C is giving me that balance and gravitas that I didn’t find on the regular Emperor or Khan.

Take it from someone who was a social person and a great networker: you won’t build an empire by being a people person. You need to be a ruler, not a leader. The difference is explained in the copy of the regular Emperor. To navigate complex dynamics or high-stake negotiations, gravitas and an aura of seriousness are mandatory. Being the “social guy who is fun to be around” is one of the things that could put a lid on your empire-building efforts. No emperor tries to be friends with everyone or even be liked by everyone. Building an empire is serious work. It requires a person with an aura of seriousness. From how you carry yourself. To how you talk. To how you dress.

What do you want people to think after you left the room? “Wow!!! That dude is serious and can’t be fucked with” or “that was fun”?

[Niles]

Personally not experiencing social friction on my end, have made a couple posts regarding results with networking/sales going well. Interestingly I don’t feel like I’ve lost any edge in evening/nights out environments either with running primarily C&C+Rich.

Social skills in general are my strong suit, and really dont experiences much friction in that area unless I’m in a really bad state for some reason, but I’ve spent years running social subs, bartending, being in sales, cold approach pick up, and really taking massive action around it.

If it’s a constraint area for you; or don’t feel it’s addressed in C&C, you could bring in true social/inner circle/true sell/ or something lighter to balance out the demeanor of C&C. I’m coming to actually quite enjoy the more serious/high status element of it socially, like I still can joke around/be myself on it, but feels like I don’t have to try so hard or give out so much energy to get social results.

[Moon]

@SaintSovereign

Many of you are just not ready for C&C and should consider using something a bit less long-term and advanced.

I agree, as of now. ECC doesn’t gel with me at all. I’m not going to blame EC for not working. It clearly does work.

I more have to get my act together before I can run this. There’s a lot of self awareness/improvement I need to do. Which is why I’m dropping it after this cycle.

Im going to be running EMP + RT + STT

[Martin]

@Azriel

The value of C&C has been more of an overall life strategy, an internal sense of choice, learning more about wealth accumulation, and investing outside of the sales function. It has also helped a lot with feeling on par, equal to relating to high status people, people with wealth, and position I would want something from or partner with. It does seem at points when the internal sovereignty is there, something clicks, and I start going into pure bigger picture, bigger action thinking around wealth building but it’s not steady.

So with all your money (income) and network it didn’t help you building right now something deeper?

[Philemon]

I dont want to make any claims about people personal lives and dont mean to offend in any way.

For those that havent had success with this title. Outside of this being a very long term title and external results will take time.

I want to entertain the idea that perhaps the sub is trying to show you that what you are currently doing is perhaps not doing justice to the extreme high ambitions in this title.

I had a similar experience. I have my long term big picture plans that I have already been working on for almost 5 years. Just before starting to run this title I had an idea for a small side project that could provide me some small capital relatively fast. When I started running C&C I realized it wasn’t true to my real goals and the side project fizzled away. I put it down to 1. Not wanting that side project to be part of my legacy and what I am known for. 2. It simply wasn’t ambitious enough and was just a quick side hustle for some quick cash.

This is an EMPIRE building title. Increasing sales and getting some more cash is not going to build you an empire. Building you’re own company, Climbing the ladder in a big company, Climbing in the government. These are things more aligned with building an empire (in my opinion)…

[Philemon]

On another note for the discussion about this title being social. I should report that the inner circle features are working extremely well I have spent time with multiple people with 9 figure net worth and even one with 10 figures in this past week alone. I moved countries about 2 weeks ago and I am growing my network here very very fast. The impression I am leaving on people is much more about competence, reliability and trustworthy rather than “socialite”. (all in a country where I dont speak the language perfectly)
Even got invited to a conference for a competition of the leading startups in this country for free. Some of these startups valued in the billions.

[praisetheurdtree]

I have sympathy because I’ve been on the other end, where an update has changed a title in a way that no longer worked for me.

However, luckily, for me, my personal issues were resolved with the RICH update. It does for me what I assumed and hoped new EoG would do for me.

And for me RICH is the ultimate wealth title so far.

I’m hoping that the true sell update will solve the issues that some people are having with C&C.

I also think a lot of people don’t really understand recon. After 4 years of results and recon on pretty much every title I’ve ever run, I think what people need to understand is that recon is just as limitless as the potential results.

That may make some people nervous, and that’s not the point. The point is that recon is YOU you are creating the recon, (your subconscious is).

That’s why recon can be so freaking weird, that’s also why it’s so hard to pin down sometimes.

This is science, this is a scientific process, but it’s not linear, and it cannot be reduced down to a list of symptoms because you are creating the “symptoms.”

Yes, there are common experiences, all humans share core experiences, but they can also diverge a LOT.

In a situation where some people are getting the results, and other people aren’t, then the answer is recon/individual make up more often than not.

In such situations, a touch and go approach is helpful. Run the title for a few loops, then drop it, then come back, then drop it again. Treat it like a workout, it allows you to touch the pain points, integrate, and then revisit without getting lost in recon.

Or use a different title.

Sometimes by changing your stack, you can gain insights that suddenly make hard titles workable.

For me, Alchemist Singularity and RoM did this.

Edit Recon is not really limitless, I’m being hyperbolic. But yes, recon can be weird and unexpected because recon is being caused by you, for your sake

[praisetheurdtree]

@SaintSovereign

There is no “social friction” scripting in C&C. It’s filled with positive social features, including two Inner Circle features, scripting that deals with productive negotiations, etc. If there is “social friction,” it is your response to that scripting.

Yeah, I’ve experienced zero social friction on this title, quite the opposite. I was standing in my office after loop…3 I think, and I was overwhelmed with a deep feeling of connection to humanity that I’ve never experienced before.

It’s hard to put into words, it was like understanding for the first time that I’m both separate and a part of the human story.

Something I already knew cognitively, but I felt it in the body.

Gnosis, pretty much.

[praisetheurdtree]

Was this from C&C, bloom from Singularity, both? I don’t know, it also doesn’t matter, because once it’s integrated it’s a part of you and no longer just a one off effect from a title.

The titles stop behaving like a thing that you need to do to get something, and they start behaving more like an expansion pack for who you already are.

[Niles]

Haven’t ran RoW yet, but the combination of RICH and C&C are seemingly providing similar results. Finding myself questioning and being pulled more towards learning about what money is/how it operates, its function, who controls it, and that introspection is leading to some major paradigm shifts.

[TheGreenMan]

Did anyone else had something like the taking of inventory of your whole life/personal world on C&C?

That was a bit rough, quite melancholic, but also very productive. I can’t bear 2nd screen streaming anymore (which was normal for me, often “watched” a whole season per day), developed a distaste for sugar, sweets and junkfood (was comfort food) and alcohol.

[anon15812918]

On my first run I noticed the opposite kind of - became uninterested in most of the stuff except for investments/earning more

then break and run Mogul, now second run of C&C and I’m noticing what you described. Breaking the bad habits, implementing good habits

[Seneca]

I have ECC in my custom that I have run three different versions of. I updated once for EOG & Khan, and a second time for ECC. It’s been a little over a month of consistent listening and here are some results:

• New job. 40% bump in pay. Great package. Expanded responsibilities. Agreed to test my app in the company.
• New wardrobe.
• New tech at no cost to me. A brand new gamer laptop I can run local ai on. Plus more.
• I’m getting paid to do what I love and while I have a bigger dream, I’m laying the foundation to support it.

These are the starkest examples of change in the last few weeks and they are leaps and bounds above many of the experiences I had running this custom, previously.

In my previous runs, different elements of the custom were in charge or were leading the expression of results. I can look back at old journals and results and see when Kahn was leading the pack or when EOG was leading the pack.

This time it’s so balanced and the only difference is ECC.

I will second what someone previously said that this title makes me think back about things I didn’t handle in the most optimal way and I replay them and think about how I could have done it better.

And I mean that in the best way possible. I’m not beating myself up. I’m actually reflecting on what I did, why I did it, what I could have done differently at the time, and what lesson there is for me to learn moving forward.

I am simultaneously forgiving myself for not doing better and teaching myself how to recognize what better looks like.

It is humbling. It is exciting.

[Moon]

You know what I do think ECC is working.

All I can think is “Why can’t I do it. Everyone else can. Why I am different. Why can’t I. I can do it”. (Edit I am stacking it with EMPB too and Physical Shifting custom)

[Azriel]

@Martin

So with all your money (income) and network it didn’t help you building right now something deeper?

I can’t always read tone on forums. Is that like a loaded rhetorical question or a clarification?

Pending the latter-not sure what you mean? It’s been two months, and I’m seeing direct positive effects post-recon, but I didn’t build a billion-dollar company. I listed noticeable growth above. I’m not seeing any mind-boggling synchronicities, changes, or opportunities yet, but a lot has been happening that is optimizing my life and setting the stage for bigger growth financially. I have been strongly pulled back into private equity work. My thinking and engagement are very different.

(Actually, that’s not quite true. I’ve had some really strong synchronicities around people. It didn’t seem directly financially related, since it seemed romantic, but it may turn out to be financial or new circle at the least. TBD on this one.)

I’ll do a longer breakdown in my journal soon.

[bombayduck]

@Moon

All I can think is “Why can’t I do it. Everyone else can. Why I am different. Why can’t I. I can do it”.

Ran my first loop of a custom with C&C in it, had the same thought pop into my head while I was reflecting on potential scarcity in my mindset.

[Metamorphosis]

The exact same thing is happening with RICH for me.

[GoldenTiger]

I’ll scale back a bit on this one, ran 3 min and it made me a bit too much into trading.

I was having crazy good sleep for three days suddently my sleep score drops because I keep thinking about trading.

Maybe 3 min is a bit much for me, I’ll scale back to 30 sec, maybe 1 min and keep RT high since RT keeps me very calm.

[SubliminalWarrior]

Since I added ECC in a custom with ASBR got a rapid shift of perception and improvement in reading the people’s motivation.
So I would call it metaphorically “social filtering”.
Used to think that I could colab with some people for my Dream. But now I see through it deeper - they are not on the same wavelength with me.

[ksub]

@SubliminalWarrior

ECC in a custom with ASBR

I’ve always wondered about this combo! How is it working for you?