I’m running the same stack. I’m just waiting for EOG: True Sell to drop and I’m set for a long time. C&C + R.I.C.H. + EOG: True Sell for a couple of years could be life altering!
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Has the launch date been announced for TS?
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This is not the alien you’re looking for
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My Experience: ECC vs. House of Medici (Is it okay to be honest?)
I hope it’s okay to share my experience, even if it’s not exactly what everyone wants to hear.
I’ve been running Emperor: Crown & Capital (ECC), and I have to be honest—House of Medici (HoM) acted much faster for me when it came to building my future and my financial situation.
When I say “fast,” I mean that within one week of using HoM, I had a clear strategy laid out and took massive action that benefited me for months. During that first cycle, I felt like the smartest guy in the room regarding money, and people recognized me as such. I was able to maneuver and outsmart any manipulation or obstacle.
In a very difficult deal where everyone had objections and was arguing with me, HoM gave me the resilience to stay strong and ignore the naysayers until the deal was closed.
With ECC, I definitely see the resilience and strength, but I find myself fighting with people in the worst way possible. I feel like I’m losing the ability to “play the social game” effectively. While I feel the “Crown” (authority) being built, the “Capital” (money/assets) and the strategy aren’t coming as easily as they did with HoM.
I know ECC is technically supposed to be stronger and more advanced with the new scripting and anti-recon, but so far, it feels like “less” than what I experienced with House of Medici.
Just wanted to share my authentic experience. Has anyone else felt this shift in social dynamics between the two?
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I’m not the person to ask, unfortunately. I never ran the original HoM (1 loop 3 years ago and I quit)
I’m also not in sales.
For me personally, C&C is super smooth, no recon, great social interactions, pretty much the opposite of what numerous people have reported.
My experience has been utterly different than any of these experiences that people have been reporting, and frankly, I have no idea why.
I’m not more experienced, more healed, or anything like that that makes me “different” besides the fact that I never really ran HoM so I didn’t come with any preloaded expectations.
The only thing that I can think is that the “negative” or “underwhelming” effects tend to be coming from people who both used HoM and really liked it.
So, yeah, I guess C&C is different from HoM.
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I think it’s adaptive scripting at play, which tries to get you off the title when it doesn’t fit
My experience has been negative on my first attempt (well, negative for me specifically, overall it was quite positive), and absolutely amazing on my second attempt after 1 cycle of Mogul + adding new RICH alongside second attempt of C&C
I did run HOM in the past for quite some time but C&C feels like an improvement for me
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Emperor: Crown & Capital is a long-term strategy title. I don’t know why people are having a hard time understanding this.
It is not a title for short term sales.
It is not a title for fast, but shallow results.
It is an Emperor title, it is for EMPIRE BUILDING, not necessarily “playing the social game.” Since when was the Emperor line anything other than empire building?
The entire line itself is literally known for having a degree of detached coldness to it, with people reporting that they felt less inclined to play the social game and would isolate, working hard on their empires. That is what it was literally known for, so much that we leaned into that even more for Emperor Black.
@Benny — R.I.C.H. is the title that you’re looking for. I hate to say this, but it’s true: many of you are not ready for C&C. The only complaints I see are from those looking at short term results, which isn’t what this title is about.
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And it’s starting to feel like an agenda rather than feedback.
EDIT: Yes, I called it out. Something doesn’t sit well with me about how this is going down. We’re trying to help, but we are also watching very closely.
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@SaintSovereign, I appreciate the response, but I think there’s a misunderstanding of my feedback. This isn’t about looking for a “quick fix” or short-term sales.
When I say HoM worked “faster,” I’m talking about Strategic Vision.
Within one week of running it, HoM pushed me to think years ahead. It gave me the mental clarity to structure my business for the long term. It wasn’t “shallow”—it was the foundation for the legacy I’m building now.
My concern with ECC isn’t the lack of fast cash. It’s that the “detached coldness” you mentioned feels less like “Empire Building” and more like “Social Friction.” To build an empire, I need to navigate complex dynamics and high-stakes legal agreements.
I recently managed to successfully negotiate an agreement for 2029, but I nearly lost that deal because of the social friction I’m experiencing.
If I’m constantly fighting with key stakeholders instead of maneuvering effectively, that’s a major hurdle for the long-term goal. I’m not looking for a shortcut; I’m looking for the “Emperor’s Wisdom” that I felt in Medici—the ability to be the smartest, most strategic person in the room.
I’ll keep running ECC to see the long-term results, and hopefully, it will get better with time. But I will definitely keep a copy of HoM if needed to run it again.
Edit:
I want to be clear—there is no “agenda” here. I’m a loyal user of Subliminal Club, and I want ECC to be my main title for the next few years.
I’m sharing this because I care about my results and my empire, not because I’m stuck in the past. I’m simply reporting how the tools are currently affecting my “construction site.”
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There is no “social friction” scripting in C&C. It’s filled with positive social features, including two Inner Circle features, scripting that deals with productive negotiations, etc. If there is “social friction,” it is your response to that scripting.
I maintain what I said: Many of you are just not ready for C&C and should consider using something a bit less long-term and advanced.
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Ok.
It could be it.
Reading all the old/new comparisons, maybe it would help to approach the new version as a different sub with same objectives.
There are so many different elements factoring into the subliminal experience that the direct comparison IMO is often fraught.
E.g. the old one could do the easy parts. It’s normal that you get the big leaps early on (through healing, perspective shifts), results become later more incremental.
In the back mirror you can see every result and what grew out of it (+nostalgia). C&C is right now.
The key problem IMO with the direct comparison is the expectation that to a certain degree C&C should feel like HoM felt a couple of years back. It probably won’t. But looking for HoM vibes might distract from C&C which for me feels very much like building a castle.
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Yes, I take issue with this notion that a title should “feel” EXACTLY like the predecessor rather than focusing on function. When I look at the feature set of C&C against what was in HoM, the same exact themes and concepts are there. And with C&C, we took customer feedback to the extreme – we literally mined the idea thread and added what we saw. Also, when HoM originally came out, there weren’t as many choices as you have now. Back then, we included a “standard script” in every title to account for this.
That is no longer necessary. The goal now is “the right title for the right job.” Just because HoM was the go-to back then, when there were limited options, doesn’t mean it has to be the go-to now.
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R.I.C.H. is the title that you’re looking for now:
Strategic Partnership Magnetism
Helps you create the magnetic pull that draws aligned collaborators, mentors, investors, and allies — people who operate with integrity, who bring complementary skills, who share vision without demanding uniformity. These aren’t random connections; they’re strategic matches drawn together by mutual benefit and shared values.
The quality of these partnerships transforms everything. Work that overwhelmed you becomes manageable when distributed among talented allies. Growth that seemed impossible becomes achievable through combined resources. Your unique gifts shine brighter when supported by others’ unique gifts, all working toward shared goals. You’ve transformed from isolated striver to collaborative creator, and that shift multiplies your wealth-generating capacity beyond what any solo effort could achieve.
Wealth Strategy Intelligence
Helps you create the “money mind” that sees patterns others miss, that thinks systemically rather than linearly, that can navigate complexity without drowning in it. Your strategic thinking about wealth becomes more sophisticated — recognizing how decisions cascade into multiple effects, perceiving which opportunities carry hidden leverage, understanding market movements before they become obvious.
This enhanced intelligence transforms decision-making. Choices that would have paralyzed you with uncertainty become navigable because you can think through implications, weigh trade-offs, anticipate consequences. Problems reveal their solutions when examined through this more sophisticated lens. You’re developing the capacity to see chess moves ahead, to understand the game at deeper levels, to operate with a strategic sophistication that marks those who consistently build wealth.
Wealth Wisdom & Preservation
Helps you develop the discernment to not just make money but keep it, grow it responsibly, steward it across time. You recognize opportunities designed to separate wealthy people from their resources. You gain capacity to say no to pressure without guilt. You understand diversification viscerally, know the importance of liquidity and reserves, recognize when to reinvest and when to protect.
This wisdom shows in every financial interaction. You’re strategic about preservation without becoming miserly. You evaluate advisors carefully, understanding that not every voice deserves trust. You let your net worth expand while keeping lifestyle at reasonable levels, finding security in preserved capital rather than displayed luxury. Wealth isn’t flowing through your hands and disappearing — you’ve developed the wisdom to steward it properly, to build lasting prosperity rather than temporary abundance.
R.I.C.H. is not a single-angle approach to wealth. It is a comprehensive recalibration across every dimension that influences your capacity to generate and maintain prosperity:
- Foundation: Wealth manifestation, accepting abundance, nervous system regulation, worthiness activation, trauma healing
- Clarity: Vision crystallization, opportunity recognition, R.I.C.H. timing, magnetism
- Amplification: Synchronicity acceleration
- Pathways: Career, entrepreneurship, investing, creativity, partnerships, passive income
- Cognition: Strategy intelligence, learning acceleration
- Execution: Inspired action, momentum building
- Psychology: Millionaire mindset, balanced confidence
- Protection: Wealth wisdom, energy leak sealing
- Ethics: Value creation, integrity integration, abundance circulation
- Relationships: Recalibration for changing dynamics
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That “detached coldness” is exactly what I was looking for. As someone who has always been overtalkative and social to a fault (bordering on people pleasing), that detachment and coldness is heaven-sent. C&C is giving me that balance and gravitas that I didn’t find on the regular Emperor or Khan.
Take it from someone who was a social person and a great networker: you won’t build an empire by being a people person. You need to be a ruler, not a leader. The difference is explained in the copy of the regular Emperor. To navigate complex dynamics or high-stake negotiations, gravitas and an aura of seriousness are mandatory. Being the “social guy who is fun to be around” is one of the things that could put a lid on your empire-building efforts. No emperor tries to be friends with everyone or even be liked by everyone. Building an empire is serious work. It requires a person with an aura of seriousness. From how you carry yourself. To how you talk. To how you dress.
What do you want people to think after you left the room? “Wow!!! That dude is serious and can’t be fucked with” or “that was fun”?
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Personally not experiencing social friction on my end, have made a couple posts regarding results with networking/sales going well. Interestingly I don’t feel like I’ve lost any edge in evening/nights out environments either with running primarily C&C+Rich.
Social skills in general are my strong suit, and really dont experiences much friction in that area unless I’m in a really bad state for some reason, but I’ve spent years running social subs, bartending, being in sales, cold approach pick up, and really taking massive action around it.
If it’s a constraint area for you; or don’t feel it’s addressed in C&C, you could bring in true social/inner circle/true sell/ or something lighter to balance out the demeanor of C&C. I’m coming to actually quite enjoy the more serious/high status element of it socially, like I still can joke around/be myself on it, but feels like I don’t have to try so hard or give out so much energy to get social results.
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I agree, as of now. ECC doesn’t gel with me at all. I’m not going to blame EC for not working. It clearly does work.
I more have to get my act together before I can run this. There’s a lot of self awareness/improvement I need to do. Which is why I’m dropping it after this cycle.
Im going to be running EMP + RT + STT
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