Gotta admit I’m intrigued by this sub, although I don’t have room for it right now. Maybe in the second half of the year.
But it’s obvious this is primarily intended for building long term structures, so why would people judge it based on short term manifestations? Do people not understand what they’re running?
Yep probably the most long term sub in the whole catalog.
Getting some nice money manifestations here as my success reality has shifted. But realistically I expect the changes to work over at minimum 6 months.
I must say though I was planning on opening a legal structure in Dubai earlier in January. When i started running this sub I had an intuitive ping not to do it. Saved me from lots of headache and lost money.
I felt far more the effects of saving myself money and time via the crown than actually making money rapidly as in how RICH operates.
It is not an “odd effect,” it is the fundamental nature of how subliminal audio works – nothing has changed there. If your system cannot hold higher results, you cannot generate higher results. There’s no explicit mechanism in C&C that says “focus on the crown first,” that’s why we put it in the pro-tips as a suggestion for you to wield consciously. Though, in most people, you will see this effect occur because most people cannot envision or support such high ambitions internally.
If you’re finding that the “crown” scripting is activating more than the “capital,” it is the byproduct of a system that cannot handle those higher results, and thus the crown scripting is helping you overcome that. Case in point:
Of course they improve. It’s a long-term strategic development title. Long-term, just like the original. An engine to drive things forward in the long-term, as @bujin so aptly noted. If the goal is short-term increase in leads (re: stabilization of manifestation pathways) mixed with strategic vision, the proper thing to do is to stack C&C with something else – like R.I.C.H., considering that’s what it was made for. C&C was made for long-term strategic legacy building.
The original name of the title was “House of Medici.” As in, the Medici family. The super rich, elite renaissance family of which we later received the word “medicine.” The same family who funded timeless Renaissance artists like Michelangelo and LEONARDO DA VINCI.
Long-term. Elite. Dynasty building. It should not be judged on the merits of short-term sales. And honestly, @Plutus – you make so many customs and switch up titles so much that I am unsure how this is being pinned on C&C.
I don’t even want to read anyone badmouthing this before a full year after release date. 
@Plutus , please don’t try that on me. My job is to help guide users into using the titles properly so that they do not waste their time or money. What I have posted about C&C and subliminal audio is verifiable fact, of which we can all see by merit of customer reports all around the forum.
Since long before the launch of C&C, I have always maintained – and anyone can see this with their own eyes with a search – that the “sales stack” is EoG: True Sell + R.I.C.H. (or C&C). I think just looking at that very basic stack, one can see WHY that would be the recommendation.
I’ll say this: since I started running this sub, I’ve stopped focusing on short-term goals and shifted toward medium- and long-term thinking.
I revisited my goals for the next few months and years and simplified them with a clear, unemotional mindset. Simplification is one of the hardest disciplines if you want long-term success, something Elon Musk and Dr. Benjamin Hardy have both emphasized.
I cut out ideas that were intellectually appealing but overly complex to execute. Instead, I kept only a few projects that are much easier to implement and where the path to the first dollar is measured in weeks or months.
My target is to generate at least $100k within 12 months. Anything that doesn’t support that goal is off the list.
I didn’t operate this way before C&C.
Expierienced recon and a slower week jumping from 3 mins to 5. Resolved quickly and things picked up again, but going to be working with 3 min for Rich and C&C- and 3rd slot as a booster 30-sec to 1 min.
Was going to do limitless, but felt burnout coming pretty fast with that stack, so probably going back to GLM, or potentially BRO for my 3rd slot.
Noticed this as well- which is great because the long term focus has really helped me prevent sub-hopping due to shifting priorities between wealth and women lol.
Going all in on career for at least the next 3 years, building capital (social/wealth) and skills; then launching a business.
Have had pretty deep conversations with a family member who is very successful and and has capitol to back/support if we find the right opportunity, which prior to C&C, I’m not sure he would have trusted to go in with on me.
My business knowledge and understanding has gone off the charts since the rich/C&C stack, and as he was a Fortune 500 CEO, I think the financial/business fluency was a pre-requisite for that to occur.
My leads are quite up if it helps, working with a verb steady enterprise company helps curb- some of the things you mentioned. Also not a US company lol.
That said- the rest of my teammates have half the number of connected/appts shown this week then I do, and checking rhe reports yesterday- I have the best numbers and pipeline in the team since starting the year.
I will say, C&C is very much suited towards my specific type of sales (finance automation) and a corporate environment, and also going in office and building those connections face to face with leadership has allowed me to express a lot of the “crown” scripting more in depth then what you can do over remote work.
I’m running the same stack. I’m just waiting for EOG: True Sell to drop and I’m set for a long time. C&C + R.I.C.H. + EOG: True Sell for a couple of years could be life altering!
Has the launch date been announced for TS?
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My Experience: ECC vs. House of Medici (Is it okay to be honest?)
I hope it’s okay to share my experience, even if it’s not exactly what everyone wants to hear.
I’ve been running Emperor: Crown & Capital (ECC), and I have to be honest—House of Medici (HoM) acted much faster for me when it came to building my future and my financial situation.
When I say “fast,” I mean that within one week of using HoM, I had a clear strategy laid out and took massive action that benefited me for months. During that first cycle, I felt like the smartest guy in the room regarding money, and people recognized me as such. I was able to maneuver and outsmart any manipulation or obstacle.
In a very difficult deal where everyone had objections and was arguing with me, HoM gave me the resilience to stay strong and ignore the naysayers until the deal was closed.
With ECC, I definitely see the resilience and strength, but I find myself fighting with people in the worst way possible. I feel like I’m losing the ability to “play the social game” effectively. While I feel the “Crown” (authority) being built, the “Capital” (money/assets) and the strategy aren’t coming as easily as they did with HoM.
I know ECC is technically supposed to be stronger and more advanced with the new scripting and anti-recon, but so far, it feels like “less” than what I experienced with House of Medici.
Just wanted to share my authentic experience. Has anyone else felt this shift in social dynamics between the two?
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I’m not the person to ask, unfortunately. I never ran the original HoM (1 loop 3 years ago and I quit)
I’m also not in sales.
For me personally, C&C is super smooth, no recon, great social interactions, pretty much the opposite of what numerous people have reported.
My experience has been utterly different than any of these experiences that people have been reporting, and frankly, I have no idea why.
I’m not more experienced, more healed, or anything like that that makes me “different” besides the fact that I never really ran HoM so I didn’t come with any preloaded expectations.
The only thing that I can think is that the “negative” or “underwhelming” effects tend to be coming from people who both used HoM and really liked it.
So, yeah, I guess C&C is different from HoM.
I think it’s adaptive scripting at play, which tries to get you off the title when it doesn’t fit
My experience has been negative on my first attempt (well, negative for me specifically, overall it was quite positive), and absolutely amazing on my second attempt after 1 cycle of Mogul + adding new RICH alongside second attempt of C&C
I did run HOM in the past for quite some time but C&C feels like an improvement for me
Emperor: Crown & Capital is a long-term strategy title. I don’t know why people are having a hard time understanding this.
It is not a title for short term sales.
It is not a title for fast, but shallow results.
It is an Emperor title, it is for EMPIRE BUILDING, not necessarily “playing the social game.” Since when was the Emperor line anything other than empire building?
The entire line itself is literally known for having a degree of detached coldness to it, with people reporting that they felt less inclined to play the social game and would isolate, working hard on their empires. That is what it was literally known for, so much that we leaned into that even more for Emperor Black.
@Benny — R.I.C.H. is the title that you’re looking for. I hate to say this, but it’s true: many of you are not ready for C&C. The only complaints I see are from those looking at short term results, which isn’t what this title is about.
And it’s starting to feel like an agenda rather than feedback.
EDIT: Yes, I called it out. Something doesn’t sit well with me about how this is going down. We’re trying to help, but we are also watching very closely.
@SaintSovereign, I appreciate the response, but I think there’s a misunderstanding of my feedback. This isn’t about looking for a “quick fix” or short-term sales.
When I say HoM worked “faster,” I’m talking about Strategic Vision.
Within one week of running it, HoM pushed me to think years ahead. It gave me the mental clarity to structure my business for the long term. It wasn’t “shallow”—it was the foundation for the legacy I’m building now.
My concern with ECC isn’t the lack of fast cash. It’s that the “detached coldness” you mentioned feels less like “Empire Building” and more like “Social Friction.” To build an empire, I need to navigate complex dynamics and high-stakes legal agreements.
I recently managed to successfully negotiate an agreement for 2029, but I nearly lost that deal because of the social friction I’m experiencing.
If I’m constantly fighting with key stakeholders instead of maneuvering effectively, that’s a major hurdle for the long-term goal. I’m not looking for a shortcut; I’m looking for the “Emperor’s Wisdom” that I felt in Medici—the ability to be the smartest, most strategic person in the room.
I’ll keep running ECC to see the long-term results, and hopefully, it will get better with time. But I will definitely keep a copy of HoM if needed to run it again.
Edit:
I want to be clear—there is no “agenda” here. I’m a loyal user of Subliminal Club, and I want ECC to be my main title for the next few years.
I’m sharing this because I care about my results and my empire, not because I’m stuck in the past. I’m simply reporting how the tools are currently affecting my “construction site.”