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[Akin]

@praisetheurdtree @JCDenton

It’s interesting to see that many of the big results came from ASBR. I’ve read a lot of reports lately saying it was a real turning point for many people financially, like no other title had been. Were you using it with the fame script or without it?

I actually loved being in exposure with ASBR, but at the time my life was upside down and I didn’t continue. Still, I have to admit — every now and then I think about going back to it. Especially because I didn’t experience major breakthroughs with the new EoG and Genesis Mogul.

[anon15812918]

@praisetheurdtree

Started a business, poured money and time into marketing, product refinement, testing designing, getting feed back, SEO, I did everything.

Worked, manifested, applied for jobs, did everything you’re supposed to do.

Quit drinking, quit smoking, fixed my schedule. I did everything. My life was nothing but work and homework.

To me it sounds like you started taking way more action after adding EOG1 lol. Why is quitting smoking, drinking and fixing schedule not a result?

Have you tried to find the exact reasons your products/business/jobs failed? Not the outside ones such as “economy is shit” but the ones that you are responsible for (for example, lack of specific skills; not doing the jobs you specifically like, rather going just for money; cultivating enthusiasm; researching investing, crypto, etc.; managing personal finance - just examples).

I also remember some posts from your journals (which I’m too lazy to find) in which you were saying you couldn’t run more than 2-3 loops per cycle of EOG1, that your finances were fluctuating, until it slowly started to stabilize after a few cycles. Isn’t it recon and results?

@JCDenton I have the same questions for you as well

Also just in case, I’m not attacking you guys, just very curios about your situations

@praisetheurdtree

Also, TBH, I haven’t seen any real evidence that it’s worked for anybody else in a real tangible way, though I will change my stance if more than 3 people actually meaningfully shift their finances with it, and document it.

I had very strong recon from EOG1, ran it for 3-4 months total (new version), barely built up to 1.5 min.

I stopped it temporarily in December because couldn’t handle such strong recon, but also I had a lot of meaningful changes. I even re-started EOG1 recently, again from 30s. These are the changes I noticed when I ran new EOG1 before stopping it:

• I started investing little by little, researching various instruments and fallen in love with the process
• I realized a lot of my blocks regarding work, finished some hanging projects
• In December, I made 4x as much money than I was making prior to EOG. It wasn’t from one income source, rather a combination of work, selling some old stuff I had no use for, getting gifts, etc.
• I started making healthier choices just like you did (for you it was quitting smoking, drinking, etc. and for me it was discovering that I need to add calming practices and supplements and that I’m generally too accelerated/overclocked. It made me more happy, productive, decreased recon, turned on my emotions - which I didn’t feel at all because my nervous system was FUCKED lol)
• I realized that I had severe learning problems with courses and the reason was that I didn’t apply it enough and that I had too big sense of self importance lol. I didn’t truly felt like I was watching a master of craft explaining something to me. Had to take a hard, sober look at my life and realize that I’m not as good as I thought I am. Now that I’ve fixed those things, I started getting WAY more out of different courses, feeling much better and making faster progress.
• I realized some personal likes and dislikes regarding activities and now I can just change how I approach work just a bit and start enjoying it much more

EDIT: Also, I hope @AnswerGroup can chime in regarding the lack of results in some people with NWE

[Jouissance]

I’m laughing at the irony.

The LONGEST TIME FRAME SUBLIMINAL EVER CREATED is being judged as “inferior” to House Of Medici after ONE WEEK because the results haven’t immediately transpired.

I am completely disregarding all negative comments about C&C for at least 6 months.

We’ll see what the forum has to say about it August from the patient ones who stuck with it.

@Hoppa absolutely has this level of patience and the background to utilize this to the utmost.

@niles could end up be the second biggest case study from this title. I see him doubling his income with this in a stack combined with ASBR if he can stay away from fuckboy stacks and actually lock in.

Biggest case study and success story off this title will of course be @Invictus who will probably get elected mayor of his city.

This subliminal is about seeing 10 years out. Sometimes you gotta slow down to speed up.

[Hoppa]

Yeah… This feels like the end game sub for me, based on the sales page. It has all the elements I’m looking for in the long run.

I took a side trip with ROM, ROS and what ever else I ran after my Emperor run.

Now I feel like returning to the wealth path and this is the one sub for me.

[Philemon]

@Jouissance

I’m laughing at the irony.

The LONGEST TIME FRAME SUBLIMINAL EVER CREATED is being judged as “inferior” to House Of Medici after ONE WEEK because the results haven’t immediately transpired.

I was thinking the same. Wasnt worth a potential argument lol.

[Invictus]

@Jouissance

Biggest case study and success story off this title will of course be @Invictus who will probably get elected mayor of his city.

Ahahahaha I live in a monarchy

But nah, I tried it once for 5 mins, don’t like the flavor, but on the other hand, I’ve been on WDB since the day I started testing it before the release, and not only did i start a new job as a project manager at the Ministry of Communications and Information Technology, and have a masterclass to present next week at the Web Summit, if I ran C&C, then some other organization will snatch me again

Look at this part of the bio that was written about me:

Through his multi-sector background, Invictus explores how partnerships, policy, and human-centered digital systems can drive inclusive national transformation. His work focuses on bridging sectors, data, and people—ensuring that digital progress translates into real social and economic impact.

obviously i switched my real name with my username, but im the only job hopper around that’s getting praised like this

[Niles]

@Jouissance

if he can stay away from fuckboy stacks and actually lock in.

facts. Running C&C long term, WDB for now but it feels a lot fuckboy-esque and cleaner energy then other romance titles so far. Plan to add in true sell when it’s released. Based on the breakdown between HoM and C&C, I actually prefer the new version. It reads like it’s really tailored for my current work/sales situation, as well as some of the inner blocks I need to address to grow my wealth.

[JCDenton]

@Akin

Were you using it with the fame script or without it?

Always with fame.
Fame is a big leverage and helps with everything.
I don’t get why people would want to run it without the fame.
It is literally in the ASBR description that it will make you learn to embrace the spotlight…

[JCDenton]

@anon15812918

@JCDenton I have the same questions for you as well

Since I am journaling and tracking most of the details, I can pretty well tell which effects come from which title.
80% of my wealth results and action taking related to wealth in the past 2 years came from ASBR. Another 18% from Total Breakdown and RICH.

Also, it is easy too tell, because I am not only comparing my baseline changes and life changes with the respective title, but I am also comparing the results of titles between each other.

I don’t get any recon from new EoG 1, or from G:M.
G:M is the wealth title I have used the most so far and I only got minor results stretched over a longer period.

@anon15812918

I started investing little by little, researching various instruments and fallen in love with the process

Yeah!
3 weeks after ASBR was released, I went on an investment research spree of studying the stock market for 10 hours per day.
I already had a lot of baseline knowledge here but ASBR pushed me to take smart risks and showed me how to do my research and what to pay attention to.
Another 3 weeks later, I had already invested 90% of my money, which turned out quite profitable so far, and keeps compounding.
Being on ASBR means leveling up fast on most levels in life and I regret that I have not always used it continously because of FOMO testing of other titles.

[heartmadeiron]

@praisetheurdtree

Alchemist Singularity - Amazing! Seriously guys, don’t sleep on this one, it’s incredible as an overall synergizer and to knit everything together.

How so?

[Jouissance]

@Invictus

Ahahahaha I live in a monarchy

Would you marry a princess if you could?

Real question I swear

[MAkh]

You might just be better aligned with ASBR over what the other wealth titles offer

Or you might have gotten to the point where you don’t actually need EoG1 or genesis mogul

[Niles]

In terms of results so far:

• Noticing better financial decision making, cutting out spending on unnecessary purchases, like eating out/entertainment which is more of a big one for me.

• Feeling more equal stature with my colleagues, as well as prospects on calls. This is big for me as well, as I often feel a bit out of place at my company as I am probably one of the only people on my team without a degree, and most of my prospects are executive level employees at enterprise companies.

• Feeling good about stating my intentions and boundaries, and saying No to things that aren’t aligned or conflict with my priorities. GLM may have set the groundwork for this and was a big reason for me running it, but C&C seems to be more specific to my actual desire, which is saying no to things that effect my financial goals, like going out on the weekdays. Note, that it isn’t a hyper obsession like Emperor Black, and I am still feeling balanced, but more intentional.

• Wasn’t too productive last week, but was processing a brutal break up so I would attribute that to my emotional state more then subs. This week, my work producticity has picked up, I’m talking to strong prospects and getting a nice flow of inbound, and taking more time on my prospecting activities on things like messaging, etc. Back on track for a good month after a turbulent couple of weeks.

As rapport building is less of an emphasis in my type of sales, prospects want to know that you are professional, knowledgeable and can help them solve their problems with a high level of competence, the archtype feels spot on to what I want to project to my managers as well as prospects.

Stacking with WDB doesn’t seem to have any conflict so far which is incredible, as no other wealth/romance combo has worked out for me. With these two, it feels I can channel my desire for women through focusing on myself and my career, which I think in the long term is going to attract higher quality relationships anyways. Really strong synergy here, as my most authentic self really just wants to focus on my career and building a better life and long term having a partner to share that with. Doesn’t seem to affect the productivity and focus of C&C as well.

[Invictus]

@Jouissance

Would you marry a princess if you could?

Real question I swear

A Qatari one?

I’d rather chop off Invictus Jr.

[anon15812918]

interesting, you are now creating a FOMO for me because of not running SB haha

Glad you’ve got something that works for you! Why do you think it works though? SB has NWE, and NWE should affect Rich Experimental as well

[SaintSovereign]

Everyone, let’s not let this collapse and spiral into debate. I can resolve this “EoG Stage 1” frustration. The title was misused and not being judged on its actual merits. Case in point – EoG Stage 1 is a healing stage.

The copy very blatantly states this, as opposed to the summaries of stages 2 - 4. Take a look at the description of stage 1, as well as the type of features that are in that stage:

This stage serves as an “advanced” foundational stage, revisiting the type of scripting available in the more “beginner wealth” titles. However, it introduces higher and more advanced expressions of that scripting, as well as going a bit more granular into the issues that prevents people from achieving maximum success.

EoG Stage 1 includes such features like:

Transforming Guilt into Gratitude

Guides you in reframing guilt around financial choices into a practice of gratitude for the lessons and opportunities those choices have brought. Helps you release the emotional weight of past mistakes and embrace the freedom to celebrate abundance. By cultivating gratitude, you create a mindset that invites more wealth and joy into your life, fostering a relationship with money rooted in self-compassion and empowerment. This transformation allows you to move forward with clarity, confidence, and a renewed sense of purpose.

Healing Wealth Trauma

Helps you uncover and transform the emotional wounds tied to money, releasing the weight of past financial pain. Empowers you to confront and reframe experiences of scarcity, unworthiness, or betrayal, fostering a new sense of compassion and trust in your financial journey. By healing these wounds, you unlock the freedom to engage with wealth not as a source of fear, but as a channel for resilience, growth, and abundant possibility. This transformation allows wealth to become a reflection of your strength, not your scars.

The Money-Heart Connection

Explores the profound link between your emotional core and your financial reality, helping you align wealth with the rhythm of your heart. Teaches you to approach money as an extension of your inner self, guiding decisions with love, clarity, and intuition. By connecting wealth to joy, purpose, and authenticity, you create a relationship with money that flows naturally and meaningfully. This heart-centered approach shifts wealth from a transactional exchange to a tool for deeper fulfillment and connection.

EoG Stage 1 is to be judged on those merits – as HEALING stage. It was not made to immediately generate wealth results, it was made to HEAL wealth ceilings.

EoG Stage 2 – as written in the copy – is where the real wealth work begins, see the bolded text:

This stage revolves around core concepts, tools and skills necessary for success in both career and entrepreneurship, as well as those necessary to quickly generate income for pre-existing businesses with products already for sale. It is also good for pre-launches, or even those in the ideation stage. For those using EoG for the career, this stage can help identify areas of improvement or pathways to promotion within the company you work for by helping you provide incredible value to them.

This stage is where the action-based wealth generation scripting begins. Stage 1 is a HEALING stage. Comparing EoG Stage 1 to a title like ASBR is not a fair comparison. You are comparing an action-based wealth title against a passive healing title.

Everyone – read the copy, ask questions. We put a lot of work into the copy to avoid these types of situations. If you are unsure of the purpose of a title or how to best use it – ask. Send a support ticket. Support is flying along now, you will get the answers you need.

But, let us not start yet another set of misinformation about EoG, and start back up with the “the old titles worked better” cycle, when what we’re clearly looking at is a misunderstanding / miscommunication of which EoG stage to use for which purpose.

[Parsifal]

How can someone not see it as a healing and preparation stage?
I’ve run it so long for that single reason.

But also a reminder that it’s foundational but not the best title to create wealth.

So once I return to a wealth title in my stack, I’ll choose something to add rather than substract. Something active.

[SaintSovereign]

@praisetheurdtree

After 7 months on EoG ST1, I see no reason to even bother trying it again.

The honest fact is that it shouldn’t take more than 7 months to even figure out if a title is doing something or not.

It’s just crazy.

Also, TBH, I haven’t seen any real evidence that it’s worked for anybody else in a real tangible way, though I will change my stance if more than 3 people actually meaningfully shift their finances with it, and document it.

If you’re running a healing stage, you should look for results in the realm of inner healing. Stage 2 is where the wealth scripting kicks up.

Each stage builds upon each other, but you have the choice to jump around. Again, compare the features of Stage 1 with 2, 3 and 4. Look at the themes. Stage 1 is mostly healing. Stage 2 introduces wealth, and Stages 3 and 4 are straight up wealth concepts, with no healing at all.

I am very confused why people are complaining about external wealth results from a stage focused solely on preparing you for future wealth efforts.

Everyone interested in this – go read the copy, compare the features of each stage. It becomes extremely obvious what the intended plan for EoG is. It starts with healing (stage 1), introduces wealth concepts (stage 2), further expands those concepts (stage 3), and then very high-level wealth concepts in stage 4.

[Fire]

One might not notice the effects of a healing title, as the healing happens deep within the subconscious mind on its structures. Remember, the key word here is sub-conscious. Below your conscious awareness. Now… without this healing, you’re limiting yourself.

Can you change these structures through action taking and subsequent titles? Sure, but it’s more difficult. There’s a reason why a healing title is usually the beginning of a multi-stager, it makes everything afterwards a lot easier, even if you don’t notice external results - which is normal. You’re healing your subconscious, you’re not pushing for external results. They can happen, yes, but only as a result of the inner healing.

Furthermore, EoG is a long-term wealth title. We’re talking a complete shift in your relationship to wealth. Why would someone expect immediate results on it, when that’s not the goal? The goal is not to get you 10 dollars right away, the goal is to radically change your relationship with wealth to the point you have complete financial freedom. 10 dollars right now versus 100k dollars later (or more, whatever you decide to stop on).

If you’d like immediate results, run RICH. If you want to increase your potential and 10x your RICH results later on, run EoG.

[Niles]

I’ve also specifically commented on this, mentioning how I didn’t really “feel/notice” much during the course of EOG 1, but I wasn’t really expecting to. Only did a couple cycles of it, as I believe that was actually what was recommended, but literally a month after the washout I landed my dream job that I wasn’t quite qualified for. Still with the company and my favorite job I’ve had to this day.

People really miss that there is a time lag between the subs we run, and the results that occur. Otherwise, the thoughts that we think throughout the day would instantly be manifesting into reality, which is not quite how things work.

@SaintSovereign @Fire Correct me if I’m wrong, but the way I see it is that the subliminal overtime is helping to restructure our dominant and reoccurring thoughts, which over time crystallize into beliefs, and those beliefs effect our actions, over time leading to results.