Out of curiousity, do you experience an alternating pattern of grief/panic/anxiety in your chest and strong relief, to the point of serenely sitting or lying still for hours on end?
I know about the strongly individual responses to Khan, but this has been something I’ve experienced almost every single day since the first cycle. It’s like a strong pendulum swing, strongly attracted to extremes, where the pain gets so painful I sometimes almost keel over, and the serenity that immediately follows it can be so intense that I don’t want to ever leave that state and experience no particular thought for a good hour or so(time passes real fast in that state).
Something that bugs me a bit about this process is that sometimes these strong sensations are accompanied by helpful memories or thoughts that help me find out where it comes from, but sometimes it is just that strong feeling, and when the relief comes, I wonder what the hell just got resolved.
That’s something I like about multistagers like Khan - subhopping is built into the recommended schedule of 1-2 cycles per stage. Though, once I get to ST3 and ST4 I do plan on staying on them a surplus of cycles. So I’m basically doing what you’re doing but with later stages.
As for something in chest, I find all the titles in general increase angina (tight muscles in chest causing lowered blood flow to heart).
As for lying down and being unproductive, yes, all subs do that as recon, which is why I try to optimize the listening schedule.
And as far as negative emotion followed by serenity, I experience that in a predictable fashion based on how long it takes subliminals to process. For me, subs are almost completely processed after 4 days from listening (which is not to say that they have fully left the subsconscious, certainly not, but the difficult recon is nearly gone and a new positive state is felt in the mind that can be utilized). Then this same sort of thing happens on a larger scale during the washout, where I start feeling incredibly better than when I had subliminals constantly in my subconscious, the farther into the washout the better.
@GoldenBird Hmm yes but its a little complicated!
Way before subclub i used to have random palic attacks and i sufferd with severe depression. But i did not know how bad my situation is, i was lead to believe that its kinda normal and everyone goes through it so i viewd it trivially. If i had any sane adults around me, i would have visiting a therapist and taking medications which may have made my life better.
As for now. I do go through times where i shut everything out and lay in bed but i’ve replaced it with long walks in nature and allow myself to feel whatever needs to be felt. This was the case long before TB as well. The pain could never get me on my knees because i’ve lost everything more than once in my life. This time is no different… If it gets too much make sure to take a small break, lower loops or use Sanguine.
It matters little how long it takes, so never be too harsh on yourself 
@LikeADrug Your logic is sound. As for chest tightness then i feel obliged to tell you guys that may experiance this to lower exposure and loops. Also Khan is the hardest sub to run, there are easier ( not neccesarly weaker ) subs that might be better suited.
And please do not forget to washout. This cant be understated
I find Khan TB incredibly liberating for some weird reason. Maybe it’s because I have let so much internal shit limit me that breaking through that feels amazing.
First and foremost, we always recommend contacting a healthcare professional and reading the following: Medical Disclaimer - SubliminalClub
Next, there’s nothing in Khan that would cause such an effect. There is nothing in the script to be causing such a response. Has nothing to do with the heart area.
Finally, every single report that we’ve had (which already is rare) on this, has been by individuals who are engaging in different spiritual practices, most commonly fire-related ones like Yoga that excite the energy upwards, ones that affect the heart directly (such as meditation) or New Age ones that are completely focused on heart-related emotions and thus put extreme load on the heart area.
If you are engaging in spiritual practices while running our subliminals, learn to separate the effects of subliminals from spiritual practice, or even better drop one or the other until you are able to do so. Don’t misattribute things.
One time we’ve had an individual come into support complaining about their energy system feeling burned on Sanguine. We directly asked him - “you did Yoga, didn’t you?”.
Response - “how did you know, that’s exactly what I did, wow.”
This is why we say, if you want to do spiritual practice, find a teacher and treat subliminals as a different aspect of your life - different from spiritual practice. It’s not the same, the effects are not the same and here at Subliminal Club we do not deal with spiritual practices.
Heart related issues are a common spiritual practice problem, usually due to faulty practices. You can easily Google and see that this is a common issue in modern spirituality. A random Google search gives a bunch of sites that talk about this very occurrence:
https://medium.com/@SymptomFinder/heart-chakra-opening-physical-symptoms-explained-8ccae503e776
There is an extreme over-focus on the heart area in modern spiritualities, and modern spiritualities are already disbalanced.
Any legitimate spiritual tradition will stress a balanced development of the energy system, versus the modern focus on either the heart (usually New Age, love and light type of deal) or the the third eye/upper centers (the “gotta get all the psychic powers” type).
In conclusion - you want spiritual progress?
Find a legitimate tradition and a proper teacher. Learn a real spiritual art, not these modern corruptions that will harm you. Learn how to differentiate the effects of subliminals and spiritual practice. Don’t misattribute effects or blame the subliminal for things that have nothing to do with it.
Ultimately, this isn’t a forum for spiritual practice, and this really has nothing to do with us.
I’m currently on Khan stage 1, yet I’ve never experienced what you’re going through. Personally, I encounter an inner voice cautioning, ‘Don’t do that, you know it’s wrong,’ whenever I’m tempted. If I lean towards acting on this temptation, the voice intensifies, imbuing me with guilt and steering me towards making the right decision.
Great! Thanks for pointing that out. I knew that Khan didn’t contain scripting that would cause this directly, as that would make no sense. What I assumed was that part of the breaking down process would relate to releasing strong emotions related to the heart area.
Hard to say what factors have come into this, since I do have a legitimate teacher and actually suspended my spiritual practices for the past three cycles. Of course, like the subs, their effects can linger for long. I would not and am not blaming Khan or the company for these problems, just to make myself clear. Just reported what I mainly felt on cycle 1+2 of Khan TB. It’s been fine since adding Sanguine on Cycle 3.
It’s been three months since my last review. During this time, I’ve completed one cycle of each stage. I didn’t post updates for each stage because I forgot, lost interest, or for other reasons. Long story short, I just didn’t feel like it. Now, I do.
In this review, I will cover Stages 2, 3, and 4 as a whole, building on my Stage 1 review. Now, for the actual review:
Stage 1:
This stage was the most impactful for me, and much of my current success and progress is thanks to it. Despite my earlier edgy description, it essentially heated the metal, allowing it to be shaped as desired. Yes, the process was painful but necessary for making the metal more malleable. Today, I can easily forge the metal to my will with 99% less pain and difficulty.
Stage 1 gave me the flexibility to see more clearly, free from old constraints and stubborn beliefs. I hadn’t realized how strong these beliefs were until I let them go.
Stage 2:
Stage 2 was equally uncomfortable but far less painful. It helped me discern the right information and teachings needed to become who I aspire to be, although it took some time to fully utilize them.
I don’t seek wealth, love, or legacy. My true calling has always been to learn, understand, and continuously improve. My weakness was lacking real drive, wanting things for their own sake. I began to find a balance between my intangible, never-ending goals and keeping my feet firmly on the ground, living happier and more freely, and enjoying life as I walk the path of true understanding.
Stages 3 and 4:
Stages 3 and 4 were as powerful as advertised. I felt empowered to impose my will on the world. Since then, I’ve made more money than ever before, cut out unnecessary things, and experienced a “high status” treatment. Women gave me " high status " treatment. Often stuttering, overly apologizing and being extra submissive whenever i enterd a room despite my politness and non-confroting nature.
However, these stages also brought challenges and turmoil, leading to greater progress and understanding. While redoing all stages would be beneficial, I was exhausted. I realized that relentlessly seeking progress was counterproductive, as it reinforced the idea that I needed growth to be something. This ties back to my older posts about feeling like life is a constant battle demanding pain and sacrifice, which is not how I want to live anymore.
My f""""ing happiness matters, and I don’t need a reason to be happy. I can simply be happy and stop trying to force everything like a helpless child hopping from one perceived milestone to the next.
I’ve also realized the power negative emotions held over me. I was addicted to being the guy who is always climbing, never there. If that’s who I believed I was, how could I ever enjoy anything? My literal identity was “the guy on the way.”
In summary, New Khan heated up the stubborn lump of iron called my brain, melting away deep stains of rust and allowing it to be shaped into something better. There are still deeper layers to reform, but for now, I am happy with the new form.
Loved the review Saiyan
thank you for sharing it
Love this review. It’s interesting Khan is the ambition sub when people who run it have consistently mentioned the value of their present moment contentedness, chillness, and peace of mind more important than anything else.
Do you feel ambition from a different fuel source now? Other then to be ok by achieving anything.
I want to run Khan and DRG together in the future. Maybe add Hero or TWTP
My expierience so far is that it feels like this polarity of Ambitious and fire internally, like there is no contentedness but at the same time, striving for a content life almost as a fuel source.
Internally there’s a fire and deep ambition, externally I am aware and trying to portray an image of calm, assuredness.
What were the results of running these two together? Tempted to stack them.
Do it!!!
Learning self love always makes me think of this
I would think that running Khan and Love Bomb would help someone be emotionally self reliant
Palpatine?
The Senate.
The rebellion
I did try them few times together. LB did ease up the heavy recon caused by TB which i may add was tackling very serious issues i had at the time, mostly my view of the world and who i am, how flawed it was and just how much it held me back