When to build Ultima or Q Custom

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#1

Would like to know how one decides whether to build an Ultima Custom and when one should build a Q Custom.

Is it only related to focus and how quick it acts? As in Ultimas generally are known to be quick-acting.

Must admit that I hesistate to build Ultimas since they are more than twice the cost of building a Q custom. And while I understand the cost factor to Subclub, am wondering whether as a sub user, how much benefit I can get from an Ultima Custom compared to a Q Custom.

If this is already answered in the forum, I would be grateful if someone could quote it below.

@RVconsultant, @DarkPhilosopher, @SaintSovereign, @Fire

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#2

@Malkuth - similar to your physical shifting custom question

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#3

yup. very related.

Broadens it and makes it relevant to more areas than just physical shifting.

So far, my sense is:

Ultimas: quick-acting, pinpointed, focused.

Q Customs: comprehensive, broad, deep, long-term lifestyle and personality shifts

You know, I’ve kind of figured that when you have big lifestyle changes that you’re trying to make, you’ll end up using a) Q Programs or b) a combination of Q Programs and Ultimas

I’m thinking that the more my lifestyle begins to be where I want it to be, the more my emphasis may shift to Ultimas.

Another way, I think, to use Ultimas is when you’re committed to a long-term change program with 1 or 2 Majors Or Q Customs, but then you still want to make some focused, situational adjustments.

Like for example, say I’m working long term with an Alchemist Custom (for purpose and personal meaning-related development) and an Emperor/Emperor:HoM Custom (for establishing a highly successful business). Let’s say I’m planning to work with those over say a 2 year period, as I transition from working at a company into establishing a more independent lifestyle.

But then during those 2 years, there may be times when I want to work on a smaller pinpointed project. Like let’s say about 6 months in I see an opportunity to improve my relationship with my daughter or with my wife or maybe an old estranged friend. So, then I keep playing my two customs, but I also create and run a dedicated Ultima custom that has Dynasty, Mercy Protocol, Empathy, Transcendental Connection, maybe Love Bomb. Now I have a light focused program that can help me with this other goal that is specific and short-term but also really important to me.

That’s kind of how I’ve been thinking of it.

See what others have to say.

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#4

Very good points. Especially on making an Ultima that aids your stack

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#5

I remember when Saint told me that even though Ultimas were meant to cause temporary shifts, with enough exposure they would also create permanent changes. Q’s on the other hand are designed to make permanent changes over time. So although Ultimas may work on their own (and Saint has used some of them on their own for periods ranging up to a month - as far as I know) they don’t replace Q’s.

In my mind the custom Ultimas are a lot like situational boosters, like RICH for wealth based stacks and Paragon Complete for health-based stacks. So if you create a custom Ultima, you would do so with the intent of enhancing the effects of your custom Q, letting your intuition guide to as to which modules would cause small but rapid changes and which would cause large but gradual changes. Then the Ultima paves the way for the Q like one of those snow plowing trains.

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#6

Interesting. So the best stack would be an Ultima (Custom or main store title) + Q (Custom or main store title) that supplement each other.

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#7

In other words, bridging a gap between the two customs and your goals that may not have been foreseen at the time of conception of the long term plans, the customs and the vision of the path that would take?

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#8

And basically like @Lion concludes, the optimal stack would be a Qv2 (Custom) title x (a supporting) Ultima

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#9

That’s how I see it.

I’ve been thinking about those 24 Hero modules. Which ones would be fitting for an Ultima and which ones for a Q.

For Ultima there’s Fat Burn, Immune System, Lymphatic System and maybe Endocrine and Nervous System.

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#10

Might also be related to the extent of the intended healing.

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#11

As a general guideline if I make an Ultima, the module is in a Q format as well. The exception would be something like Elixir which is Ultima only. I understand that Ultima can create lasting changes. However I conservatively take the booster approach.

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#12

Didn’t understand this. Could you elaborate?

#13

My guess is he makes both a Q and an Ultima custom as a pair. The Ultima is a booster for the Q. And the modules that are in the Ultima are also in the Q if possible. So putting the same module in both customs.

That’s how I’m interpreting it anyways.

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#14

@DarkPhilosopher 's posts above is correct. Thanks man!

For example if I’m listening to an Ultima with Harmonic Singularity, I have a Q with Harmonic Singularity as well.

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#15

@DarkPhilosopher, @RVconsultant - in that case, if a person could only build one, is the Q custom preferable compared to Ultima custom?

#16

I honestly don’t know.

If I had to pick one at this point, I would pick Ultima if my module list was less than 10, and Q if my module list was 10+

So I’d pick for pragmatic reasons.

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#17

I’d pick a Q. Slow and steady wins the race. :slight_smile:

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#18

Thanks for the knowledge, @RVconsultant and @DarkPhilosopher

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#19

Well, don’t leave us hanging. Which one will you pick? :wink:

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#20

Most probably Q Custom especially for its lower price lol.

But right now am waiting for the new titles and their corresponding Q Cores before deciding anything

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