When can we safely change to other programs without losing our results?
For example, I’m running EQ and PS right now, I am wondering when can I switch to Khan or Stark without losing the mindset and benefits I gained from my previous stack?
Or if it’s even possible to lose them at all, I am not sure…
All your opinions and experiences is very much appreciated.
How long have you been running EQ/PS?
Is it reconciliation making you want to switch, considering it’s super sneaky, or are you genuinely just wanting to make the switch?
Of course you can switch whenever you feel but you should get a long while with your stack in my opinion before moving on - maybe 6 months or more but it really depends on you and how you feel.
I personally don’t believe you’ll lose your results, I believe they’ll fade over time just like anything else in life. If you don’t use it, you’ll lose it but that might just be one of my negative beliefs, not sure. With that said, I also believe it’ll be easier for you to come back to them results if you wanted them again by figuring out a way to add them back into your stack (obviously don’t clash stuff) or going back to that stack when you feel like you’re ready.
I hope that makes sense.
Hi mate, thanks for chiming in.
Probably, but before I even started with SC, my head was already spinning and I am tempted to purchase everything in sight cause there’s just so much to repair! 
I am planning to re-shuffle my stacks on the 3rd month, however until now I am not sure exactly if I’m doing this right. I don’t wish to lose what I think I am gaining with EQ and PS, but at the same time it’s impossible for me to play them all together in one day.
Of course dude.
If anyone relates to you on that feeling it’s me. I’m constantly checking the store and forum for new releases since everything is just so magical haha. I get it.
Figure out what’s important to you and go from there. What are your goals? What do you want to achieve?
Prioritise the subs that are of most importance to you - not other people on the forums or what they’re doing but to you.
I completely understand the stacking frustration. I asked about it yesterday in my journal because I was getting so annoyed at myself making sure I was doing it right too but what I gained from the conversation was:
Prioritise the most important thing to you and what will work towards your goals.
Use the subs that will work best towards that - try not to add more just because they’re new and shiny, or just shiny aha. Use the ones that have a deep focus on what you want to achieve.
Be patient and take a lot of action.
Too much in a stack will either overwhelm/stonewall you and/or add reconciliation which you’ll need to be careful of.
hmm if its a major program why would the results fade over time?
i think about it like upgrading a system of a pc, if its been long enough why would the old system return?
the old beliefs are gone, evaporated, destroyed.
the only way to return to the old “you” is if these old beliefs are so deeply ingrained in you, that you need dragon reborn in order to remove them before doing subs.
but if not, i dont see a reason why after enough programming of the mind the result shall ever fade.
am i wronge on this one?
my suggestion is to stick, if u chose this stack as your primary at some point means you needed it.
and i dont think results fade fast, like 3 months of subs can take a year to go away only if you leave what u gained untouched and unused
and can only increase after u quit if youve integrated the inner beliefs and action
for example it took me 3 extruciating months (5 total on khan, 3 of those wondering how to find a circle in real life) to go from friendless and social circle-less for 4 years to going out 3 times a week to parties with college aged people plus.
even without khan i can do it on my own now because ive done it now once before and see how easy it is but without the push from khan it seemed entirely impossible.
right.
Also take in example quantom limitless or BLU.
i dont think that the cognition improvements effects can fade with time, i mean if it
is really changing the structure of the brain and the neuron density etc, it should not change i guess
Let me clarify what I meant by fade.
I mean if you’re not using the sub for a long time to maintain the results I personally think the effects will fade - I don’t mean ultimately gone forever I just mean they won’t be as strong as when you’re using the sub. When I say fade, I also don’t mean after a month or two, I mean after a long long while.
If they’re new beliefs then for sure I don’t think they’ll fade as much but I think they won’t be as strong as if you were to continue using the sub.
The Subconscious might be entirely different but I’m basing it off you learning a new skill and my experience as a dancer/gymnast. I’m not as strong at gymnastics now considering I’ve taken a 6 year break away from it as I was when I was doing it. I can still do tumbles and all that jazz but no where near as good as when I was in my prime - in my mind that’s how a sub will work too.
Incredible results, thanks for posting this too. Super motivating for sure. I also agree in regards to sticking to the stack and keeping it as focused as possible.
If i am not mistaken Saint gave an analogy a while back if you stop going to the gym you will loose strenght. So it might be worth your while doing a refresh once a week or something. You might want to run EQ and PS on weekends to maintain your results. Then continue using your new subs daily.
@Apollo - I agree with @Brandon and @RockyHandsome. SaintSovereign had already confirmed that listening to subliminals is like exercising. If you stop, you still have the results but it will diminish over time if you don’t continue to use the subliminals. The solution is:
OR
Making a custom(s) that integrate titles that are most important to you. For example, after running Emperor and Primal Seduction separately, you make a custom with both of them which ends up being one title (call it Primal Emperor).
Then say, you want to run Quantum Limitless. In which case you run your Primal Emperor Custom for a while and then stack it with each stage of Quantum Limitless over time.
After which you can either make an entirely new custom with Primal Seduction + Emperor + Quantum Limitless ST4
OR wait to finish running another title, say Mogul or Ecstacy of Gold so that you can run your old Primal Emperor Custom with a Quantum Limitless + Mogul Custom (Quantum Mogul ).
In which case you will end up having two custom subliminals (Primal Emperor and Quantum Mogul) but worth 4 titles (Primal Seduction, Emperor, Quantum Limitless and Mogul) that you can keep playing for a long time.
Yea saint also mentioned that just like in a gym if you stop working you keep that muscular physic, same with subs if you stop ascension you may not be super alpha confidence but you keep the qualities of an alpha
Yeah, you will always lose part of the gains you have made. It’s the same as the gym, if you switch exercicices, you will lose strength at the specific exercice you dropped.
In the case of the brain, it’s only because you are not exposed as much. It’s like if you think a lot about being relaxed and seducing woman, you will that “effect” boost because it’s in your subconscious. If you stop the sub and start running another sub, the new thing in your subconscious will take some more space… But the cores beliefs changes that made you more dominant, erased some old beliefs and stuff like that will stay strong.
Yes, you will also gain back whatever was lost extremely quickly upon review.
My sense is the traits of the sub can be permanently installed as long as your acting on them
but the state the sub creates for you while it can also be recalled is more likely to diminish without use.
To have a stack/sub be permanent in traits I would say 6+ months and to have the state recall really grooved down I would say 12+ months.
For example if you run Emperor for 6 months and stop-you may not have the same insane drive, push, sense of power and dominance after taking 3 months off from it, but you will likely still have the same discipline, sense of personal standards and status, confidence.
If you run it for a year + that state will likely be your new normal.
Of course that could also fade over time or with other conditioning, so the best bet, is to run/influence yourself appropriately for whatever the most important issues/ goals are in your life.
Subs also become part of your experiences, the reference points your living while listening to them now will become the new past you remember about yourself, in the future, that will also inform your expectations and quality of life, even when no longer running that sub.
Heyy you’re right! I forgot I can always make a custom after a while just to combine my old stacks into one. That went over my head, I totally forgot! 
I’m probably overthinking this. I suppose I was excited to try my other programs, and afraid to lose months of effort listening to EQ and PS. I’d listen to them all of I could.
Maybe someday the wizards at SC would come up with an even more efficient yet effective, lasting and safe formula, that we’d only need 10 minutes each to get the effects of one hour loop of Q.
Anyway now I understand the absolute benefit of customs.
Thank you all, your insights are very enlightening and helpful for future members that would have this question as well.
This is accurate. When you quit a subliminal, outside influence will start to creep in. Think about it, our titles dumping an INCREDIBLE amount of information in your brain. As long as you’re listening, it’s going to be the dominant programming in your life. Once you stop, outside programming / signals are going to start influencing you and it can seem like the results “faded.” So yes, you’ll want to do a refresh from time to time, but more importantly, you’ll want to make sure that you aren’t falling back into old ways. You want to reinforce the new programming as much as possible.
This is a really hard process, since most people are incapable of being very critical of themselves in a positive manner. They’ll either deny that there’s an issue or place the blame on someone / something else and then claim they had no control over the issue. Subliminals accelerate the growth process (ours by a huge amount), but you still must take action to ensure that you maintain that growth.
That’s why I consider customs great refreshers too, apart from the fact they build your new you too. I would develop myself using the major titles on my wish list and later on put them all into my custom (no more than three cores, of course). For me, it’s Stark, HoM and PCC in a custom and doing Khan4, QL4, Dragon4 and EoG4 (if any) stages from time to time for refreshing. But it’s a long, long way before me.