Whats really stopping us?

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#1

Something thats been on my mind and im sure it will be helpful for many to clarify this topic.

As they say our subconscious minds have insane capacity and power, so why do we process subs so slowly even 15min loops seem too much at times so we microloop…

Is our conscious mind just not able to handle such big changes rapidly or whats the issue and solution for this?
Is it matter of massive matching aligned action?
How do people on heavy customs handle this?

Im on dr4 and kb1 as long term and replacing third per situational need or just doing those 2.

Been microlooping but want deeper and faster change so i will try more full back to back loops, just looking for info on how to integrate and handle it well and not get recon stuck.

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#2

Great thread, contemplating this has also led me to the following question:

How come we don’t seem to get recon from the (shitty) subliminal messages in the media/billboards/public etc?

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#3

Those messages are already deeply integrated by most people since childhood. You can’t go into a reconciliation state when you’re presented messages that you’ve already integrated and already turned into beliefs.

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#4

Potential seems near infinite when it comes to the mind. But capacity for attention seems to be limited. Think about sitting in a room and having one person to talk with. Now imagine 5 people trying to talk with you at the same time. We simply can’t converse with many people at the same time, the capacity for divided attention just isn’t there.

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#5

But why did the subconscious even integrate them during childhood? instead of going into recon

#6

Blank slate, so to speak. Same way that your native language is absorbed in a different way, and even activates a different area in your brain compared to all other languages you might learn later in life.

If you are curious about this line of thought, you might want to look into anthropological literature about young tribal people getting introduced to big Western cities for the first time in their life. It practically never went well, and they always had a sense of getting overwhelmed, not just by all the sensory information, but also the concepts that came with them, leading to immediate rejection or at least tiredness on their part. It is similar to recon.

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#8

Reconciliation is what happens when the message presented by the sub is different from your existing programming. Your subconscious is trying to reconcile two things that are different which creates temporary havoc.

If a rich person who was born is a wealthy family runs a wealth sub, he would probably experience no reconciliation. His subconscious already agrees with the message, there’s nothing to reconcile because being wealthy us that person’s default state. Now, if you try to force that person to believe scarcity filled messages, he would 100% go into reconciliation and reject the message.

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#9

I’d say it’s all about the level of technology. If you go a few generations back, people needed to listen for hours to get effects. Some listened even non stop, hence the ultra sonic file.
With other producers it’s still this way.
Because you mind has this insane capacity, that affirmative subs need endless repetition.
But ZP works differently. We all don’t know how it actually works, but I’d guess it’s rather a conversation questioning your beliefs.
And since this this actual change needs time, needs reaffirmation from the outside, from taking action, from reflection this might cause heavy recon. You get confronted with a new you, you accept that it’s what you want but nevertheless you see that you aren’t there yet.

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#10

How do you know you’re not? The whole point of subliminal is beneath your conscious awareness. You could be getting into bad moods and attribute it to traffic, for example. When the whole time, you’re really upset because you have an inkling that [redacted] is lying about [redacted]

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#11

Hence I said don’t seem to. Which begs the question, how do we discern accurately that we’re in recon? (that’s a whole other topic altogether)

#12

This is from a book I read called the last law of attraction book you’ll ever need to read and it explains a third player in the game called ego

The way Andrew describes it is way better than I can (and most people would describe the ego)

It’s a quick read (the chapter called ego) I can copy paste it in dm if anyone wants to read it.

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#13

Please do and can you tell as well what were other big lessons yoy learned from it? I know summary isint as ideal as reading but just got so much material on my hand to go over that i cant add more

#14

Does the subconscious actually reconcile? Some believe that it doesn’t, it simply accepts suggestions especially if the conscious mind is bypassed.

I agree with what you said. But here’s the “problem”, a rich person does not need to run a wealth sub because he’s rich.

We are running subs precisely because we have not reach/achieve/manifested the goals of the sub.

So, is recon inevitable for subliminal users in the above situation?

how would we explain the new technology resulting in less recon when the goals of the titles are essentially the same?

#15

I might have bitten off more than I can chew because I can’t copy paste it easily but the one huge lesson I learnt from this book is simply that consistency is more important than intensity

And he says: the ego is a survival mechanism placed into us as to help us survive. It cannot care less for potential rewards, no matter their size, it simply wants to keep you from changing at any cost and will go to severe lengths as to do that; it knows your ins and outs and trying to beat it is like wrestling a 600 pound bear.

When we listen to subs; or use affirmations (in any way, just thinking “I’m sexy”) we bypass the ego, going to a source stronger than the ego (which is way “stronger” than your conscious) which is the subconscious :wink:

We basically just go through the ego while it’s sleeping. Now, the ego will fight you every step of the way if it can

That’s why we get results from subs

And they’re astonishing, because, for some of us using subs for the first time…. We have successfully bypassed our ego for the first time in our life and it seems like magic, all those juicy acute results like you’re in a movie

That’s also why the ego creeps up later and tells you that subs don’t work, okay they work just not a lot, or they don’t work for you, or you’re basically just never getting what you TRULY want

Essentially, recon is your ego fighting back, resisting this change forward, and wrestling it is a losing battle

And when we listen to subs or consistently affirm our goals or desires, we are on a skateboard gliding towards a “dream life” (which is real, there’s a reason people are driving supercars) and there’s no stopping us

We’ve all seen it; regardless of what you think of subs during your lowest recon, you are consistently improving your life… you have measurable (if you care to measure) changes in your baseline skills and experience and development.

The ego, however, represents the surface underneath the skateboard of the pavement, if you let your ego fight you back every step of the way it’s like you’re riding on rough, effed up terrain. You’re on your way to the dream but you’re going to fall on your face a lot and it’s really discouraging

The way to soothe your ego and make sure the road is smooth is to feel goood, simply thinking of anything to be grateful for no matter how small it is; soothes your ego

Think about it: do we really DO anything? We like to act like we take massive action daily but in reality; the best things in life were given to us for free, including the best sexual experiences (felt truly like it was handed to us) the best jobs the best opportunities

If every one of us stick to the stack and the projected goal they set without falling for recon and switching, you’d have everything you ever wanted, and it’d become effortless

Essentially the “goal” of the book is to help you understand that effortlessness of manifesting the things you want comes from minimal consistent effort, scripting or visualizing daily

And then he does his best to make it sound like a great journey, and teaching nuances of manifesting (feeling good to “manifest” which is wrong vs feeling good to FEEL GOOOOOD: which manifests) and

I’ve been doing it daily for over a year, I hit my anniversary recently

the most thing I gained from it is how enjoyable manifesting is, and how fun it is ( regardless of “results”) man I can sit down every night and right about the dream life I want with th cars and the fights and the interviews, weaving my vision. I can’t care less if it comes

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#16

First of thank you for long, insightful reply its very beneficial

I definitely felt this and still do to an extend.

Im still very attatched to some goal but cant move toward it due to various reasons feels like this weird purgatory blocked state and the lack of the goal corrupts me to fill the void with it with lower states like greed or lust.

I been adding lately more gratitude tho.

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#17

If it would be that easy, you would get all the results from the subs, from just one loop because subs bypass the conscious mind.
You could go even further and say that all subs, even just simple Affirmations would work then since they successfully bypass your conscious mind.

But what is rich? There are a lot of guys in here running wealth subs I’d consider rich. And they all profit from wealth subs.
If you grow up in a old money family, it’s just much easier, because they don’t usually have scarcity programming. But still, they can/could profit from most wealth subs. Who wouldn’t profit from better skills in negotiating/ understanding the market/ whatever?
The recon is probably just lighter because most basic convictions are already aligned.
It’s probably more like a pro athlete learning a new discipline compared to the average obese couch potato.

It’s all about their trade secret. We don’t know how it works. They don’t brute force the change into your subconscious as they used to do but rather persuade it. How it’s done? Trade secret.

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#18

Because it’s not as limitless. Khan ST4 is around 13k words. The whole script is in first 3-5 minutes, on average, so let’s pretend the math checks out and script is repeated 3 times for Khan and other subs (5 minutes each time). Now, add 2 more titles. That means that some days you will absorb 60k words in 30 minutes. So that’s where physical symptoms come from, I guess.

There’s also recon. Those 60k words in 30 minutes are challenging your beliefs (that have been keeping you alive all those years) and basically telling you that you were wrong lol. Of course you will have difficulties processing them, even if you suddenly start taking lots of aligned action - just because you haven’t changed the core beliefs yet.

That’s my understanding

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#19

Because

  1. the input is very limited and processing queue isn’t full, the recon isn’t long and isn’t hard hitting as with subs
  2. the messages have alread been ingrained deep enough so there’s even less to reconcile - just because you were living your life
#20

Simple answer:

ZP is scripted in a unique and special way that it passes through the Subconscious Mind’s firewall and is actually “invited inside” to become part of the Subconscious Mind’s own inner dialogue with itself. Therefore a little bit of ZP script exposure is already enough to achieve big effects because your Subconscious Mind is doing everything by itself. You become the change yourself from the inside out. You are the Zero Point!

On the other hand, subliminals from all other creators are scripted in a way that the Subconscious Mind’s firewall is always on guard and filtering massively, therefore they require 24/7 exposure to achieve even the most minor effects. 99.9% of those scripts are blocked off by the Subconscious Mind’s firewall and the 0.1% that passes through is probably still not welcomed but considered like an external force trying to interrupt the Subconscious Mind’s own inner dialogue with itself.

The wholy grail of subliminal scripting is in passing the Subconscious Mind’s firewall and that’s what Sub Club have achieved!

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