Hello Sub Club,
I’m currently running AM with Wanted (Qv2) since May and the results have been great so far. I’m thinking about adding StarkQ to this stack, what should my expectations be in regards to the results that I expect to have? I understand it will take longer to absorb the knowledge if I run 3 subs at once, but what timeframe should I have?
When you started with AM and Wanted in May, how long did it take you to experience some results, even light results? Knowing that would help, I think.
Major results with AM and light results with Wanted began as of month 3 (2 weeks ago).
I think that starts to give you a pretty good gauge for estimation.
Awakened Mogul is considered a fairly light and agile program. Not as light as pure Ascension or pure Mogul, but still pretty ‘ready to go’. WANTED is described as energy intensive. So, so far, your results make sense.
If you had just run AM by itself, maybe you’d have seen major medium results by 5 to 7 weeks.
WANTED alone? maybe light results by 6-8 weeks?
These are intuitive estimates, I’m not consulting a chart or anything.
One thing that is clear though, is that both of these programs, but particularly WANTED are still actively processing and being executed. They haven’t reached the ‘Maintenance’ stage yet, where you’ve basically done much of the heavy integration work and have now reached a plateau. They’re both still actively growing.
That means that a third program is going to offer some competition (and face some competition).
I get the sense that Renaissance Man is not a super light program, but that it may be less heavy than WANTED (because of WANTED’s physical shifting and aura processes).
If you start now, I’d predict light results by October with gradual buildup to medium results by December/January. And I’d figure that by February, all three of your programs would be firing and strong. Ascended Mogul’s probably going to be noticeably increasing throughout the whole time. It’s already engaged now.
If your lifestyle (in other words, action) is aligned with any of these programs, things will move a little faster.
For comparison, I’ve been running two 20-module customs since mid-May. and in July, I introduced an intensive third program, Dragon Reborn. Just this past week, I started to notice the results from a module (Harmonic Singularity) in one of my customs. So, that’s coming about 3 months in.
On the other hand, I’ve noticed continual processing related to Dragon Reborn. Not necessarily “growth” yet, but lots of growth-promoting challenges.
In general, I’ve felt the healing modules faster than the others. Kind of makes sense.
this post made me feel safe hahahaha,. that no need to rush for results from a month in on Emperor or anything or any sub if you have more than 2 subs in your playlist
2-3 months is a safe period to actually question results and do some insights
always helpful my friend @Malkuth
and @bombayduck i wish you the best my friend
haha
well:
I can be wrong. Time will tell the truth.
yes, no need to rush things in 1 month. Instead, shift the focus to living your life and let the subliminals surprise you from backstage.
And if you can’t focus on living your life (as sometimes happens to me), then try to address that. You shouldn’t just be sitting around watching the subliminals (though we all do that sometimes). Try to find something compelling to do.
Another option would be to drop AM and add in Stark with WANTED.
Thank you for this excellent reply.
You mentioned ‘Renaissance Man’ but I was talking about StarkQ, I assume everything else you said applies though in the idea that it’s not light at all.
Ascended Mogul is definitely fast acting, which is part of the reason why I want to start increasing the sub load by adding to the stack. What you say is interesting though, I figured that AM and WANTED would compliment StarkQ more than actually hindering/competing with it. I say that because all 3 addresses very similar subjects.
I have done my best to align my lifestyle with my goals regarding the subs, I simply need to focus greater in that regard however. There is always room for improvement.
After the response from @Malkuth, I think it would be a good idea to just continue with the current stack that I have for now. Once I feel that I have plateaued with AM it could be a good idea to switch it out for StarkQ.
Now I’m also thinking about running Ascension with Ascended Mogul and WANTED, just to emphasize the masculinity aspect of AM. Any thoughts on that, do either of you think it could slow down the effects more?
My wires definitely got crossed. Kept seeing AM and my late-night brain changed it to RM.
I agree with you that Stark is pretty complementary with WANTED and Ascended Mogul.
I also think that your current idea to let AM run a bit longer is a good one. Because much more so than Renaissance Man, Ascended Mogul can ramp you right up into Stark. Whenever you feel ready, you can switch out AM for Stark and your progress will just keep on moving.
Definitely a nicely focused stack progression.
So if you agree with the idea that they compliment one another, would it really hurt the progress to run a 3 sub stack with Stark, AM and Wanted?
How long do you estimate that it will take for me to reach a plateau with Ascended Mogul?
Hurt, no. It just becomes a bit heavier. 3 programs instead of 2. Should be fine.
Evasive answer time!
I think it depends on your internal set point for personal power, wealth, and self-determination.
Each person has a certain range of levels that feel like ‘This Is It’. I think the only way to find your set point is to actually start moving towards it. A certain point comes when you feel “I’m good”. This can also be called a Limit. Programs like “Limit Destroyer”, “Wealth Limit Destroyer”, and probably “I Am”, “Khan Stage 1”, “FEBRUUS”, and “Dragon Reborn”, probably work to adjust and shift these set points or limits.
Anyway, I think how long it takes to plateau depends on how far away you were from your set point when you started the program and how rapid your rate of growth is as you’re working with the program.
(Personally, I don’t think the set point is static. I think, for example, that if a person worked with Ascended Mogul for a really long time, say 3 years, they would find that their internal limits kept shifting and leaping during that time. They’d reach a plateau hang out for a while and then after a while they’d experience another leap in development. That’s my intuition.)
RVconsultant is right.
If you were to switch out Ascended Mogul for Stark even today, I think the transition would be very smooth. Stark will pick up right where AM left off.
And if you run all of them at the same time, I think it will still be pretty smooth. 3 programs is still within the recommended guidelines. And these are three harmonious programs.
Maybe you could keep in AM for 2-3 more months and then retire it (maybe temporarily).
If you haven’t done a washout yet I’d recommend doing one. I’ve been running Ascended mogul for 3-4 months and I’ve been getting great results while listening to it regularly, but the results, while major, also felt foreign to me.
I was acting like the Ascended Mogul externally, but didn’t always feel that that was the most natural way to be. I hadn’t internalized everything.
I’ve probably gotten 30% more results from Ascended Mogul just from 5 days of a washout. Everything has internalized, being the Ascended Mogul feels so natural, and my results in work have been proof of that.
The washout has also renewed my love and interest in listening to plain ol’ Ascended Mogul even above my Sales custom. Actually, I’m going to use all of the same modules in my custom, but take out all of the other cores EXCEPT for Ascended Mogul just so that my stack has a “pure” Ascended Mogul stack.
This’ll only cost 99 bucks since I already own all the modules, which I’m excited about.
When results with AM start to plateau or you start to think about adding more to the stack, that’s the perfect time to do a washout and analyze your situation in life.
Sometimes with Subliminals there’s a novelty factor. We constantly want to feel something “new.”
This might be the perfect time to actually take a washout and stop listening to subs for a week so that what you’re doing can process and results can accelerate.
Also, if you look at the journals of users like @Invictus, you’ll see that in the case of Wanted, the most results (especially physical shifting) actually come after the washout, or only after 2 months.
Then, once you’ve ingrained Wanted and AM a bit more, say another 3 months of listening, you might be able to create a custom with Wanted/AM/3rd Core to make your stack a bit lighter but also start stacking 3 cores. Then make the modules in the core support the goals of the 3rd core to make it the driver of the custom, rather than making Wanted or AM the driver of the custom.
IE if your third sub you want to stack is a sexual one like Primal Seduction, then, you could add in a bunch of sexual module.
I’m not sure to what extent your perspective resonates with me to be honest. Running Ascended Mogul has made me realize that many of the components in the sub were very natural to me. I’m not a person who is good at “faking it until you make it”, I can’t really act like something externally if it hasn’t already been internalized to be honest.
With that said, there was another post of mine where @Malkuth had recommended a 3 day break from subs and it was beneficial I feel, so perhaps I can consider doing a 5 day washout in the near future. Perhaps stopping AM for a week and only running WANTED could be good for me in that sense, and then doing that vice-versa in the week after (running only AM and washing out Wanted). What do you think of that @Billions ? Or do you recommend just a complete sub break?
I do 100% agree with you about the need to feel something “new”, perhaps that is what motivates me to introduce Stark into my stack. I just feel like Stark incorporates elements of Daredevil, Primal, Emperor and Limitless and I feel like I would want to run all of those subs at one point, so Stark would be a good place to start for that.
Regarding customs, it is something that greatly interests me because it would be able to make my “subliminal game” more efficient but I’ll be honest, the construction of a personalized custom subliminal is quite the intimidating prospect for myself. It would be hard for me to decide on what modules to stack and focus on, and how to create a balanced custom.
Either way would be fine. I just did a complete 10 day washout and started experiencing INTENSE recon around day 6. Then I felt really good again around day 8 and 9, and on day 10 of the washout I woke up naturally at 6am super motivated to work on my business again, so, don’t think that a washout means you’re not getting benefits. With how powerful qv2 is, the processing is now more important than the listening time.
5 days might not be enough, but then again, it might be. But it’s a great place to start either way and only experimentation can tell.
Stark is probably the most versatile sub in all of SubClub so it’s not a bad purchase and recommendation.
I would try and ride the urge, if i were you. Plan on adding in StarkQ in a month, do a quick washout, reintroduce them and listen to them both a little longer just so that the results are cemented and can be diluted without any ill effects, and then add in StarkQ later. A big sign of recon could be switching subs, especially if you’re getting amazing results and you make the assumption that more subs = more results.
ALL OF THIS IS JUST ONE PERSPECTIVE THOUGH. You know best. If you’re ready to stack StarkQ today, then just take this as devils advocacy, not law.
