What’s the limit to subliminals/SubClub?

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#134

The only context that I’m really trying to convey is that fighting is unnecessary on this topic because all authentic viewpoints are valid for the purposes here.

The fantastical, indescribable abstraction that many here display vitalizes our imaginations (that’s why we engage in artistic pursuits while creating a title) while the grounded reports helps remain true to our goal of creating practical titles.

And you actually just proved my point by mentioning that you do understand and can accept the abstract up to a certain limit. Now consider the fact that people who express the abstract first and the grounded second are doing the same thing, just with reversed priorities.

Most people have a primary and secondary mode of expression (maybe more). For example, you are actually interacting with my secondary mode of expression — a more practical and direct mode. But my primary method of expression is most certainly that of the abstract.

However, for the sake of this business I’ve learned to bring them into harmony. As such, I agree with you to an extent — let us first remain practical in looking for an anticipating results. You are not going to imagine yourself into growing angel wings…

… right?

And that’s the high abstract side coming out. What exactly is the relation between personal mind, personal reality and collective mind and collective reality?

While there are obvious, obvious benefits to remaining in the concrete world — and I would recommend that those who just started on a path of self-mastery to follow that path (at least in the beginning to build that foundation), I always remind myself that current biological frameworks are based on modern human knowledge.

And humanity has not stopped evolving. And thus, the beauty and the awe of THE WONDER calls to me, but only if I have solid ground to stand upon.

I would’ve loved to see where this conversation went if it didn’t fall into the realm of personal attack, to summarize.

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#135

Be grounded.

But also leave room to be surprised.

Integrate Earth and Air.

A lot of so-called empiricism is partially motivated by an unacknowledged fear of being hurt and disappointed one more time.

No shame in that. But strive to be honest with the emotions as well as with the philosophical, discursive “facts”.

Integrate Water with Earth and Air.

And then bake the whole thing up with Fire :fire: and enjoy what comes out of the oven.

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#136

Isn’t that the point of subclub

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#137

I apologise for the way the thread turned out to be I wanted it to be a civil friendly discussion and sharing thoughts and opinion so that we can learn and expand our knowledge every day we learn new things I really wanted to share knowledge of mine and listen to others hopefully we can steer in the direction now

#138

Both u and emperor obe have great point

#139

@GeneticBeast It sounds like there is a lot of over complication in the thread.

To simplify,

The limits of the subliminal’s, are the limits of what you believe are possible, and the amount of action you are willing to take to achieve what you want.

They do not work without action, there are people here who get 0 results after months of trying, while rare, and there are people who listen to 30s and get very good results contrasted to what they want to achieve.

I would also be aware, that you only have so much physical and mental resources. To the question of can you be a billionaire, playboy, fitness model, genius, I will just give it to you straight, if your asking that type of question then no you can not, and you would know if you could, and already be elite in at least one or two of those categories.

All of those things take time, most truly great accomplishments take a decade, or more, and that will still hold true with subliminals, although you may find yourself pursuing something that you previously didn’t think you were capable of.

My best advice, is to not ask anymore questions, because to achieve even one of those goals, you need to get clear on the 1-2 that are the most important, remind yourself every day why they are important,

Then pick the subliminal that would best aid that goal based on the objectives.

Proceed to take action on that goal, and don’t expect anything to come to you via manifestation or law of attraction as that’s not how these work.

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#140

You can do all of these things within a scope of practicality.

No amount of “believing”, patience, and taking action with subliminals is going to result in you or anyone growing nearly 1 foot after puberty. If you’re 50 years old, you’re not going to become the best MMA fighter in the world.

Shoot for the stars, but don’t lie to yourself. There’s a difference between dreaming big, and chasing delusions.

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#141

This entire topic is kind of a trick or a trap.

But maybe a good one.

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#142

You wrote somewhere (I think it was you) that your self help started when you managed to defeat a non curable disease (if it was you you didnt say which disease it was but you were bedridden), am I right? So how do you reconcile being able to go against all odds and cure some incurable disease to now saying “be realistic”.

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#143

Check your PM, lol.

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#144

I mean, @Skadoosh made it clear that he does believe in and can accept these events, but he simply prefers to remain realistic in expectation and that’s what works for him. He’s made it clear that when fantastical events happen – even outside of human biology – he can accept it with evidence.

There’s nothing wrong with this approach, just like there’s nothing wrong with using the approach of pushing beyond what would seem conventional and then grounding yourself.

The core idea here is that grounding is necessary, regardless of which position you take. I personally take a more unified approach, blending both polarities into one transcendent mindset. I believe in the fantastical, I operate in the practical and in doing so, I transcend both. My opinion is held in stasis while the truth reveals itself, and then I respond with clarity.

We are not here to force our personal worldviews on each other. We are here to adapt and grow. Expansion comes from being forced to face the things about ourselves that we don’t want to see or admit. Essentially, we’re all looking at mirrors, reflecting things we like or hate, and humanity as a whole has a tendency to then project that darkness on another person in order to conquer what’s within ourselves.

This is how I think of it: I sit here and I observe everyone from a neutral standpoint. But the truth is, words fail to convey the deeper meaning of a inner / spiritual event. In fact, when I try to explain the intense spiritual awakening I have with regular words, it almost feels like I am profaning it. I am highly aware that I am looking at not only the outer form of a person’s expression, but any emotions I feel from their post are self-generated.

I then began to expand this mindset beyond the business, recognizing that in many situations that frustrated me in the past, I had the power to seize control over my emotions and realize that nothing is “happening to me,” but rather just happening. And my emotional response wasn’t something that someone imposed upon me, but rather my own memory and life experiences generating that internal response. Now, obviously you want to avoid the extremes of this position, allowing people to abuse you and the such, but looking at it from a practical viewpoint will grant you A LOT of inner power.

Look around at the people near you, or think of someone you know. We all assign these people “roles” or parts to play in our personal life drama that they may not even accept if you were to tell them that’s the role they’ve been cast in. Why? Because those roles and positions we expect were self-generated based on our own experiences. So essentially, even when you’re looking at another person, you’re looking at yourself. And when one grasps this, it becomes incredibly easy to change your inner perception, and the outer experience will automatically adjust.

And that is the nature of Zero Point’s intense focus on self-exploration and discovery. The connection between inner reality and outer experience is absolute – a constant cyclical mirror, constantly reflecting that which is hidden within right back at you. And Zero Point then asks the question: “With this knowledge, what will you create, because you ARE capable of building a life that is more authentic to you.”

Or, if you’re subscribed to our emails, you’ve seen the subject line: “What will you do now that you can do anything?”

Will you continue to remain locked within rigid societal conditioning (which is necessary to maintain a stable society, for better or worse), or will you break through these fears, stop projecting and seize control of things?

And thus, both viewpoints are equally important. Remember when Season 3 began and there was the poll that equated to whether people wanted more spiritual titles vs. material and it was a 50/50 split? We WANT people to express both viewpoints. Then, trust us to synergize them – just as we’ve always done.

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