What kind of archetype is Primal Seduction? And the other subs of seduction?

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#1

Watching PS brought to my mind the question “what kind of person would you become by using PS? what archetype would you turn into?”.

PS turns you into a technical PUA, which relies on attraction techniques, opening lines, and games?

Or does it lead you to a more natural style of seduction, based on your personality and authenticity?

And compared to other seduction subs? What exactly do you transform with the others? (Khan, Wanted, etc).

And the final question is: what kind of seduction is used with PS?

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#2

Emperor: Elon Musk, Leonardo Di Caprio, Jeff Bezos. Mission focused and loads of women wanting them.

Stark: Tony Stark. Intelligent, witty and famous.

Khan: Dan Bilzerian, Hugh Hefner, etc. Basically playboys with wealth and women.

Khan Black: Men who retain semen and practice Karezza. Not so well known but there are many of them. (EDIT: One example might be Mantak Chia, author of the Multiorgasmic Man)

Chosen series, Godlike Masculinity The Commander: Martin Luther King, Abraham Lincoln, Bill Clinton, Trump. Leaders and heads of states.

Wanted Black: James Bond, Ethan Hunt. Spies and their dangerous lives.

Wanted: Henry Cavill, Jason Momoa. Celebrities and good looking men.

Primal Seduction, Sex & Seduction: Mystery, Style. Pick up Artists and those with Game.

Sex Mastery, Diamond: p0rn stars.

Spartan, Legacy of the Spartan: Muhammed Ali, Mike Tyson, the Tate Brothers, etc. Fighters and Champions.

The examples given here might be controversial and some people might disagree. But these examples aren’t mentioned to be blindly worshipped but rather to give an archetype to understand and pick qualities from them that are worth emulating.

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#3

So just to understand more, PS is the archetype of the Pick UP Artist? with technical and calculated seduction, or can he also be a normal person with normal, natural and fluid ability of seduction, that makes him good with women?

With PS, you become a technical seduce, that you have to think of the next action to take in the interactions or you become a natural seduction man that unconsciously performs the actions to attract and seduce women, without thinking about it, without techniques and in a natural way remaining himself?

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#4

I don’t see how this could be controversial. I think most would agree that this is actually one how the best description of all the archtypes each sub would personify.

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#5

It begins with technical and then he becomes natural. The practice makes it second nature.

Thank you. But we have dealt with loads of arguments on the forum by just mentioning any one of the above names. So putting a disclaimer out there.

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#6

Allow me to add that there is nothing wrong with Pick Up Artistry. It is the lack of frame and a healthy love and view of one-self that makes many PUAs implode or destroy their own lives.

They practice it without going deeper. Which makes it artifical. Fortunately, subliminals are made to make it part of your subconscious and hence part of you. And therefore natural and congruent to who you are.

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#7

@Lion I also opened this thread because, at the moment, I have PS in my stack and from it I felt the drive/intuition to look for PUA material to be able to lead my outer game which is very poor, and have a structure on which to lean.

So I was wondering if with PS I would be able to learn seduction also in a natural way, without seduction theory and just by acting naturally with women out of home.

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#8

You are doing the right thing, bro. There is value in technique. Because doing techniques is taking action.

The Sex & Seduction part of Primal Seduction will help you with these techniques and outer game. While the Primal part of Primal Seduction will help with your inner game and inner frame.

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#9

Lately I was following an Italian Seduction Coach. He don’t consider himself a PUA and essentially teaches inner game, how to free yourself from inner traumas and accept yourself in order to seduce women in a completely natural way. In addition, it gives more “macro” advice on the outer game, but in the end his method is mostly based on resolution and acceptance of your traumas + vulnerabilities, through meditations (inner game) + the use of vulnerability and congruence (outer game).

And I’m telling you this because, you telling me that many don’t go deeper and reminded me of this coach lol.

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#10

That’s awesome! All the best, brother :+1:

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#11

I don’t know where you live and your age. If you are in a big city, on top of whatever you are doing, it may be a good idea to work your social exposure, at your own rythm because you need to integrate whatever you are learning. What I use to do:

  • go to museum, you can’t believe the amount of single chicks/tourists who visit museum
  • go to meetups, you willl meet like minded people who just want to meet peole
  • some bars have special nights, special event such as wine tasting, gin tastings. full of chicks
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#12

Is there any reason to think that any seduction sub is supposed to turn someone into some archetype?

#13

I’m also having the drive to look for PUA material, though I’m using wanted black now instead of PS. i haven’t looked at it for years before I started using WB

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#14

I personally thought that because subs have different names and different goals, so I assume there’s some archetype they follow? But being on ZP technology it is also true that everyone will probably come to different conclusions and have a different experience from someone else.

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#15

pretty much the same thing happened to me. I had drifted away from PUA material for various reasons time ago, and now I feel the urge to seek guidance that gives me a framework to follow in knowing what to do while with women and in social settings.

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#16

I always thought of it as PS = You approach them while Wanted = They approach you.

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#17

the objectives of the two subs would seem to actually mean this.

But in other cases can Wanted attract through chasing (being proactive) and PS being more passive (using only body language and subtleties)?

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#18

@FoxDie what do you plan on listening to for the next 2 weeks?

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#19

My plan is to listen to Genesis + PS + DR:LD

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#20

Among the objectives of PS I also noticed that there is “unconscious seduction”, is it also the ability to have an automatic and efficient sub-communication? Other than to develop it in a better way with the rest of the program?

Has anyone had any experience with this thing?