Well yeah I also plan to run my Primal seduction/Emperor QTKS for a year also, emperor for building a writing empire.
The essence might only be for 6 months or so. I’m not starting the writing sub now, but 6 months from now when I have a strong solid foundation
But again this is like a rough idea and might change 6 moths from now
Ever since adding GLM I just feel like there’s no point in jumping from one sub to the next. I feel like I have a complete stack that can last me for a while
Update:
I’m currently on my mini washout, the third day now and I noticed that I have more confident in flirting when texting my coworkers and on the phone. Theres no need for performance, just getting a good laugh. Not trying to sleep with anyone, just enjoying my time and creating a fun and funny environment at work. More social than usual, everything just seems to flow more easily in conversation.
Also one big thing I noticed yesterday,
I’m not afraid to walk away from a woman, there’s no neediness, theres no bitterness, theres no being butt hurt, it’s just like oh well.
The synergy of WDB/PS/become the prize essence has brought on a more confident flirtier side of me that seems to be getting bolder and bolder by the minute.
Can’t wait to master this…no more sub hopping, will stick with this for the long haul, lets see how far I can go in my progress
10% complete
Maybe it’s just me or maybe it’s my growth as a person but I find it weird when guys objectify women or talk about women they don’t know while they are like in the vicinity. I was literally talking to a guy at work and he saw a lady who looked to be attractive, so he proceeded to tell how good she looked while she was several feet away. I was a little embarrassed, like you’ve never seen a woman before.
I mean I played along when we had left the vicinity but I looked back and realized I don’t really lust or drool over women like I used to, I see a beautiful woman and I’m like oh she’s beautiful and if I have the courage to walk up to her then I do, otherwise, I look and keep it moving.
I’m I missing something, because every guy I notice seems to do this and they look at me funny when I don’t drool over women like they do
The one thing that I noticed too is I’m way more social, like I have more value than the people around me, so they don’t seem so intimidating to talk to at all.
With GLM it’s like the need to switch subs is slowly dwindling. I get the occasional urge to switch but the reassurance that I’m on the right path comes back to focus. Literally today and a few days a go I had an insecurity pop up where I was thinking “I’m not tall enough = any height module”, “I’m not strong enough = Hero origins”, “I got great results with this sub, maybe I can switch this” or my favorite “maybe if I run a sub like Lots I can get model looks and have all the women aggressively pursuing me”
But all those thoughts fade when I realize that doing that will only restart me to 0 percent again and basically starting all over again. Still after all this is done, a year from now, I might just focus on looks solely once I have the solid foundation down
There are times when things seem slow like nothing is working but thats when the real magic begins to bubble up.
I have mixed feelings about this behavior as well. On one hand, I feel it’s cringe. On the other I’m thinking I’m partly not comfortable with my sexuality. It’s like these guys are far to the left (primate dummies) but I’m way to the right (supressed/unhealthy sexuality).
Maybe the gigachads can share their POV. @heartmadeiron , any thoughts on this cringey behavior?
Lol. Put me in the mixed camp. I’m comfortable with my sexuality — I’ll freely discuss kink and my sex life with practically anyone, and exhibitionism (public sex) is a big part of it. I’m a deviant, but a somewhat reserved one, since drooling or fawning over people just isn’t my thing. That shit gets cringe fast, but I don’t throw shade at people who are into it. As long as folks lay off the inappropriate comments and unwanted touching, it’s all good.
@themadsexyscientist That you can recognize something isn’t for you and choose not to go along with it to ‘fit in’ is some Emperor shit. Regardless of the topic, it’s clear growth.
Appreciate it 
My personal opinion, the root of this can come from many places, but 2 major ones.
A mans relationship with their mother. If there was a unhealthy relationship, enmeshment, or distorted relationship where the male is not creating healthy independence and security around the women in this life and his needs are not being met. Quite possibly another scenario is he never had a healthy role model to show him what a masculine male does to speak to women so he defaults to #2 to learn what to do. When this male grows up and his neediness is full on display like you commented on. This could be made worse if the man ends up buying sex regularly or being a regular at a strip club, basically buying attention from women.
Men tend to default to what they see in society through their friends behaviors, movies, tv shows, and music videos. When they see this behavior as normal visually in repetitions that’s all they know.
This behavior feels cringe because the energy is displayed through the lens of neediness, insecurities, and beliefs of unlovability. Unfortunately a lot of men don’t know when it comes from this place of neediness they’re leaking their energy that could be used for better purposes like walking up to her, or even for later for business purposes or a workout.
this has kind of piss off a lot of people at work because its almost like they feel like they cant have their way with me or control me in any way. So they label me as “that” guy. They haven’t said this to me out right but you can always tell by people’s reactions but its more like a respect thing I believe
Don’t get me wrong, if its two people talking to each other, me and the other person, it’s cool. It’s the saying things out loud when women can hear or when women are around that makes me feel so uncomfortable. It’s almost like catcalling indirectly. I usually pretend I didn’t hear it and change the subject immediately if there are women around and you are right it comes off as needy or desperate.
It could also be be the two opinions you made
I guess some women find it flattering, especially women who don’t get attention at all(unattractive or ugly) or women who don’t get their needs met from their partner and seek attention elsewhere…I guess…but in general, I’m pretty sure the average beautiful woman who has all her needs met finds that kind of attention cringe asf. My opinion though, I could be entirely wrong because I am a man after all and only speak from what I’ve read online from other women
You have ever right to feel the way you do. I’m doubtful he will change his behavior. The smart thing to do is be careful who you associate with at work. Now, If I was in the situation in public (not work) I would be playful and ask him, “Are you going to go up to talk to her?”. Usually you’ll start hearing the excuses, which are coming from a place of fear and they stop the behavior. The ones who do find the courage, usually end up in a train wreck. So I walk away and watch from a safe distance lol.
I find what you said here very true and on point. I think the women who find it cringe are the ones who are secure and they see this guy who is putting out all his cards on the table. They see this type of man as a beggar or a child.
I actually said this to him once and he basically gave a whole host of excuses lol
I’ve noticed this too. Then leave him for the guy who makes her wet between her legs, which is usually that guy that doesn’t even give af about her at all, does whatever her wants and isn’t as easily impressed by her body…or doesn’t put her on a pedestal kissing her ass every 5 seconds with shallow comments
Does PS, Emperor or WDB or GLM have any physical shifting for a better face…I know Emperor has the body part covered but was wondering about the face part.
if it doesn’t, my plan is to use physical exercises to achieve the ideal face then when I do switch to a sub like lots…I will have explosive results because the action would have already be taken
from now on instead of switching subs, I’m trying to find ways to work around it through actionable steps
I also think I’ve grown my male part from 3.5 to 5 inch flaccid over these past couple of years with the male enhancement module. When I’m hard it’s like 6-7 inches, I say 6-7 inches because I do have some fat in the pelvic area and have a big decently big stomach. Not big obese, like if I wear a t-shirt you can maybe tell but not really sometimes but when I take off my shirt, it’s obvious. So I read that sometimes when you gain fat in the pelvic region and stomach it makes your male part look much smaller. So it looks 6 inches but when pressing the measuring tape to the pelvic bone instead of the pelvic fat, its actually 7 inches
maybe It goes to 8 inches if I lose all my belly fat, pelvic fat and side fat
I think with consistent manual exercises I can get 9 inches but thats with consistent motivated daily action for 6 months
It’s the easiest way to stop this behavior on the spot everytime lol I went running on the beach today and saw 6 guys break their necks on a girl with headphones on, she was hot admittingly. These guys did this indirect gesture of saying, “SHEEESH!” as she passed by them. As she was walking away at a distance of 15 feet they all huddled in and were like, “you go up to her”, “no, you go up to her”, and nobody went up to her. Men would rather keep their egos high, rather than taking a chance or getting no from a woman.
What I learned is the the guys who are the best with women have this one thing in common, they are always as comfortable or more comfortable when around women. And they are as invested or less invested than the women.
Funny enough is saw this on Friday’s Journal on Khan today. It seems like he was healing his neediness through his dreams on khan:
Don’t think theres a clear winner to be honest. GLM has little shifting and dream boy more about developing the right frame than aesthetics. Empeor has moderate shifting and does primal seduction mention physical shifting at all?
I have noticed that too. I actually know a guy who is probably the most beta guy you’ll ever meet. He’s a very nice guy though…overly obese, unattractive, drinks too much, just all the characteristics you can think of but some how…he always has women around him.
He’s not gay or bisexual…but straight. But the one thing he told me from conversations is his relationship with the women around him(mom and sister) is very strong, like he’s a mommas boy and very comfortable being around women. Other women who are very attractive flock to him especially since he’s always surrounded by women.
So it made me wonder how can a guy who has a rocky relationship with his mom and sister(narcissistic parenting, mom orchestrating beefs between the siblings to maintain control etc) have that type of success with women without trying to fix his relationship with his own family If they don’t want to fix it
It makes me wonder is it that they are comfortable around women or that women are comfortable around them and other women follow suit, or a little of both
Its really not all that complicated. Having healthy relationships with women makes it eaiser to date and attract women. I’m a short nervy nice guy who bulit a harem (without subs) because women wanted to be around me.