Viktor’s Victory Venture (LE + DRR)

[Viktor]

That’s true, it does feel a bit deep like a recon.
A normal feeling fluctuation usually feels superficial compared to a recon.

My suspicion is still that it’s from the combination of 5s of WB + DRR1.

I guess using a sub where i feel a strong sense of “this is not the direction where I want to go” is not a good idea in the first place. My priorities in life have shifted and WB’s goals are more distant than earlier this year.

Since it may be a recon, i won’t use LBFH as an emergency sub, it will just add to the weight.

[Viktor]

Making sure the changes stick.

After I compare the results from 10 cycles of LBFH & 12 cycles of HeO to the other subs I’ve used before.

I am certain that the only way to use subs is to stick to it for as long as possible, at least 6 to 9 months.
Anything lower than that should only be for an emergency or a short term goal.
If you want the changes to reach deep & stick long after you stop using the subs, at least that long is mandatory.

After 6 to 9 months, the effects from the subs will be upgraded to long term changes within you.
It will be harder to fade away since it’s not just an effect from the subs, it’s already a part of you.
the changes that stay won’t be just something on the surface either, it will have a huge scope and become deeper.

When your intuition says “ok, you are done with the sub” and the results, improvements etc are clear & objectively present in your life, keep it still in the stack for at least 2 to 3 more cycles.

Better yet, only swap if your direction in life has significantly changed, or if the subs have solved so much of your original goals that keep using it past that point won’t be the most beneficial anymore, only after using them for 6 to 9 months.

LBFH is one of my favorite subs and it has changed my life dramatically, but It won’t make sense for me to keep using it since the changes it brought have stayed and become a normal part of my life. Even after half a year without it. The same with HeO.

Sure, i don’t get the immediate effects from them anymore like the overflowing love or the boost towards living up to the virtues, but the changes that stay are already more than enough for what I want and need in my life.

Focusing on other aspects I want to enhance in life will, and has given me better ROI overall.
Life is dynamic, you are dynamic, and so should your usage of subs.
Find the balance between too short & too long for your goals.

[Parsifal]

I wholeheartedly agree.
And disagree at the same time.

At the moment, I run subs for short term goals,
while the long-term goals are staying the same.

I’ve built my custom to find a job in sales and prepare me optimally for it. Now that I have a training position, my needs changed, so I changed the subs.

I think it makes a major difference if you’ve sorted out a lot already, like you did.
Or if you’ve just realized how bad it actually is, and you’re struggling to survive, like me.

Where you are the captain of a pretty yacht, looking to improve your navigation skills and overhauling the interior,
I’m fighting to survive in a leaky submarine and have to make adjustments regularly. I just can’t afford to get a new interior because the moment I would put my energy on such a long-term project, I wouldn’t stop the boat from sinking.

It’s not that I wouldn’t love to run a stack for nine months straight. Especially AA, LB or Primal, would offer so much. But for the moment I need fast acting subs like Ascension or LE.

I hope you’re getting what I want to say.

[Viktor]

Yes, we agree on the same thing.

I should have written it better and put more emphasis on the “emergency & short term goals”.

You’re right though, my short term & long term goals are usually aligned most of the time, and the subs are holistic enough to cover all of them. So i wasn’t really considering situations like yours when i was writing that.

[Jouissance]

@Viktor

I am certain that the only way to use subs is to stick to it for as long as possible, at least 6 to 9 months.

Completely agree here. There are going to be “staple” subs. Then there’s always the subs like PN or LE or whatever you want to just get a quick result. But they should only be sampled if you’re consistent with your main sub.

@Viktor

or if the subs have solved so much of your original goals that keep using it past that point won’t be the most beneficial anymore, only after using them for 6 to 9 months.

In this case I love being able to transition to a sub that incorporates a lot of the same elements. Like transitioning from Mogul to Emperor, and/or Emperor to E:TWP/EmpD/HOM, or from Love Bomb to Heartsong, or from any combination of Genesis/Mogul/RM:W/RoM all of which share many similar "purpose "scripts.

@Parsifal

But for the moment I need fast acting subs like Ascension or LE.

I think you’re right here - and i’d add that if Ascension is working for you, you should keep it for 6-9+ months.

@Viktor

Without HeO in the stack, I notice more and more effects slowly degrading.
But I also find the changes that are already a part of me still holding up.
I’m curious how much I will retain from just commitment & keeping the lifestyle.

HeO has a much broader objectives list than LBFH so I’m not surprised. it’s a deep title. It’s also got the “unfolding” effect which is unique to HeO and the Revelation series, where results happen without a need to take action. Perhaps that unfolding effect is what you’re feeling is missing.

@Viktor

I need more exposure towards “not engaging in unimportant arguments”.

I’d bet $1000 that EmpD would do this very well - I can just imagine you using some Wisdom Energy to watch someone start an unimportant argument with you and you letting them win in a way where you look good… the more mature warrior letting the youngling swing his sword wildly, with the youngling thinking he’s being intimidating while everyone around him cowers in submission, but with everyone else thinking he’s being rash and immature and showcasing his own inexperience in leadership.

But I also think that RoM would do SO much for you in terms of this. I’ve always thought RoM would be great for you. There’s elements of it in Limitless, and RM:UA, and HeO. It has an intense pursuit of the mastery of knowledge and of the mastery of the mind, and directly works on analytical skills, understanding about everything, etc. etc.

Don’t let me switch you off your stack or anything. But if you do, I think you’d like these more than ETWP. But DRR1 is a beast that will provide a lot, even when run solo.

[Jouissance]

@Viktor

I’m kinda missing the push for the internal feeling of a deeper purpose, the drive to uphold the virtues, etc. A lot of the effects are subtle and I can’t really explain them in words.
Now that I think about it, It did feel like those were slowly unfolded to me over time.

@SaintSovereign

The Revelation of Mind was designed to skyrocket the cognitive and meditative abilities of your mind to allow for deep, deep insight and understanding into the secrets of reality, your life, your spirit and your purpose.

As for this…

@Viktor

One thing that WTP has over EmpD is it has less romance scripting, right now I’m satisfied enough with my romantic life and I want more focus on other things that I hold more importance in.

That ^ makes total sense.

@Viktor

Maybe DRG will be better at being a solo sub since it has productivity scripting, limitless, regality etc.

@SaintSovereign

I’m going to get myself in trouble for saying this, but the closest thing you can compare GOLD to is: DR + Chosen + the virtuous parts of HERO w/ a bit from Limitless. All directed toward the refinement of the self to obtain wisdom.

[Viktor]

@SaintSovereign

Cultivate emotional intelligence and empathy, improving the ability to manage emotions and understand a partner’s perspective.

@SaintSovereign

Help individuals develop deep skills in deep listening and empathetic communication

@SaintSovereign

There’s a lot of scripting about seeing and understanding each other’s viewpoints, even if you don’t accept them. What this means is that you could at least understand where she’s coming from

Just as i wrote about an idea of a sub that focuses on open mindedness yesterday. The new PR shows exactly what i want in a sub like that.

These are amazing for self growth outside of romance. Imagine how the effects will affect everything else. Self growth, healing, relations with others, creativity etc.

The goals of PR sound beautiful, i will absolutely run it when i choose to be in a relationship. Then i will consciously guide the understanding scripting so it affects more than just my relationship.

I think this is the only primal sub i’m seriously considering using. I still haven’t felt the tingles to get into it yet though. My focus is still elsewhere. so it will be later in the future.

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Edit:

@SaintSovereign

@whatevermore

Looks amazing; I’m in. I wonder to what degree some parts transfer to nonromantic settings. The ability to form deep, authentic connections with other people is great for many nonromantic settings, too.

Yes, I’m eager to see how the people here in sales finds this scripting. We may end up including it in True Sell, since that seems to be a major part of the sales industry.

It’s confirmed that it will work outside of romance too, i’m so gonna use this sub.

[Viktor]

DRR1 15m LE 30s

I have been using subs that have productivity scripting in them for more than a year.
Mogul, RM:UWX, RM:V, HeO.
There is cognitive enhancement scripting in most of them too.

The foundation has been laid out, so I will use +30s every listening day.

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Edit 1:
Nah, there’s no use in rushing. I’ll use +15s instead.

Edit 2:
Actually, I can afford to experiment for the next few weeks. I might as well try LE for +30s and DRR2 before I get really busy again.

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Update 1:

I feel nothing different.
No recon at all.

This is exciting. That means it’s similar productivity & creativity to RM:UWX but with less focus on writing. Just a broad enhancement towards my productivity & creativity like usual.

This is what i want.

30s is this promising.
I can’t wait to see what will happen if i listen to more.
I’ll jump straight to 7m.

I shouldn’t be too reserved. There are reasons to increase exposure.

• I have built up the base for productivity & creativity scripting for more than a year.
• It’s an older & lighter sub.
• It’s totally aligned with my life.
• There is no recon at all.
• And my schedule is free enough to take the risk for the next few weeks.

If this works like how i think it would, DRR1 + LE would be the most invisible stack i’ll ever use.
It’s a broad yet focused stack. I like it.

[Viktor]

The only thing i don’t really like about LE is how it has Beyond Limitless.
BL is for short term goals. The description says it itself.

I’m here for the long run. I’m sure LE would be great if i use it for long, but I want a sub that will give me the best bang for the bucks.

That’s why i decided to stay with my plan and make the custom i planned with Limitless, UA and modules for productivity, creativity & meditation.
I’ll make it in 3-4 months.
The goals are similar. productivity, creativity, & meditation, but customized to my needs & for long term growth.

So LE now will act like a stage 1 to the custom.

[Viktor]

The 11 on 4 off schedule is working well so far.

This is superior than anything above 13 - 15 listening days.
Even with 4 rest days instead of 5.

No overload symptoms at all.
I don’t feel that distinctive load around day 15-18, and definitely no debilitating weight & lethargy around day 19 - 23 (this is not an exaggeration, that is 1 common side effect I consistently felt around that time period regardless of what sub i used).

This schedule is perfect.
Listening time always starts at the 1st & 16th of the month. Washouts always at the 12th & 27th.
With february as the only exception. Use 9 on 4/5 off on the 16th of february (Or take a 13/14 days of washouts this time every year).
When there’s 31 days in the month, use 11 on 5 off on the 16th.

No more awkwardly trying to fit 26 days into the schedule.

6 total listening days in 11 days.
An even number makes stacking 3 subs less awkward.
In the normal 21 on 5 off, the third sub always get 1 less loop than the first & second.

I have also tested 9 on 4 off for months. It worked well. So 11 is definitely not “too short” by any means.

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After testing various schedules for more than a year, i found out that:

• Mon Wed Fri with rest on the weekends is not enough. 2 days of rest, even if there are 2-3 weekends in a cycle, is not enough to mitigate the overload symptoms near the end of the cycle. (Tagging @Fire & @SaintSovereign to take this one into consideration since you guys mentioned the weekend strategy for the new pdf)
• 3 rest days in the middle of a cycle is the bare minimum. It’s not optimal nor sustainable in the long run, but it actually does something than just 2.
• With only 11 days, 4 is optimal.
• 5 is great.

With the 11 on 4 off schedule, there’s no need to vaguely tell people to “take extra rest days in the middle of the cycle”. It’s built-in in the schedule using the most consistently optimal 4 days of rest.

[Jouissance]

@Viktor

The only thing i don’t really like about LE is how it has Beyond Limitless.
BL is for short term goals. The description says it itself.

I can totally see how you got there, especially because Limitless and QL are both updated while BL hasn’t been (neither the product nor the copy).

ZP made all titles more “fast acting.” But back in the day, Beyond Limitless was an “ultima” product, and Ultima was the counterpart to Qv2, which was meant to be listened to the same day you wanted to get results.

When the copy is referring to BL being good for “Short Term Goals” that’s still very much referring to the technology (ultima) as much as or more than the script (beyond limitless).

But with that being said, of course if you want the title that gives you extreme long-term results and doesn’t worry about how fast you get there, QL is the way to go. It’s SUPER enhancement on the physical, hormonal, neural, emotional levels, anything that might have anything to do with your brain, so you can improve cognition. I think ST2 especially focuses on creativity out of the four stages.

BL just kinda directly targets creativity and productivity without the other stuff.

You’re gonna love LE, whether you keep it as a sub for a long time or you use it as stage 1.

Personally, I wouldn’t sleep on how effective of a results enhancer LE can be, because the scripting isn’t just about cognition, it’s also about performance, meaning it helps you perform at your best every day.

And that means less recon and more action

[Viktor]

@Jouissance

When the copy is referring to BL being good for “Short Term Goals” that’s still very much referring to the technology (ultima) as much as or more than the script (beyond limitless).

That could be the case. I’m guessing out of the lack of information that the scripting is still targetted towards short term enhancements. I wonder what they will spin BL & LE as when they update them.

We have microloops now for short term goals anyway. So I kinda don’t see the point of them if it’s solely for cognitive enhancement.

@Jouissance

But with that being said, of course if you want the title that gives you extreme long-term results and doesn’t worry about how fast you get there, QL is the way to go.

I would love to use QL instead of Limitless, but I plan to run the custom alongside DRR1.
2 multistagers in a stack sounds a bit risky.
Maybe I’ll add it as the 4th stage after i’m done with DRR.
(stage 1: LE, 2: Limitless + UA, 3: RoM + UA, 4: QL + UA)

@Jouissance

You’re gonna love LE, whether you keep it as a sub for a long time or you use it as stage 1.

Yep, I’m sure of it. Every single productivity & creativity sub i’ve ever used from SC, when combined with either DRLD or DRR1, always work really well.

LE is just a more distilled & focused version of them. no extra stuff.
Just productivity, cognitive enhancement & meditation boost. All that i need to pair with DRR1.

@Jouissance

Personally, I wouldn’t sleep on how effective of a results enhancer LE can be, because the scripting isn’t just about cognition, it’s also about performance, meaning it helps you perform at your best every day.

And that means less recon and more action

This is what i’m after with LE. simple & straightforward for what truly matters to me.
I wish they upgrade LE to be more compatible with long term goals too. I might ditch my plan to make a custom altogether if they do that in less than a few months from now, rofl.

[Viktor]

A bit of a late testimony, but i decided that it’s fine to post this.

I actually used mogul for 1 loop earlier this month. I needed to get more stuff for efficiency and i wanted to fund it faster. Those were a bit expensive so i originally planned to use mogul for 1-2 months.

Then i listened to mogul once, somehow i got super lucky the next day and managed to gather all the funds needed in only a few days.

I still can’t wrap my head around how absurd the manifestation worked.

The wealth manifestation is no joke, rofl.
1 loop was enough as long as there are pathways for manifestations.

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I might delete this later, i always hold back on writing anything about mogul’s results. But this is just too good to not share.

[Parsifal]

@Viktor

Then i listened to mogul once, somehow i got super lucky the next day and managed to gather all the funds needed in only a few days.

I still can’t wrap my head around how absurd the manifestation worked.

The wealth manifestation is no joke, rofl.
1 loop was enough as long as there are pathways for manifestations.

I don’t say I envy you.
But I still kinda do
You’re getting all these crazy results. Even crazy financial results from UWX, now with one run of GM again.
Little me running financial subs for over a year now, and I only got triple of what I invested in subs…

But I was at a completely different starting point. There’s a lot of internal stuff to clear through before money can flow freely.

Or maybe this is a believe I need to clear first…

[Viktor]

@Parsifal

You’re getting all these crazy results. Even crazy financial results from UWX, now with one run of GM again.

There must be a bit of wealth scripting too from the other subs in my stack. But the sheer absurdity of the manifestation couldn’t be from anything else other than Mogul.

And just like how Mogul always does, the manifestation didn’t come completely randomly. It was absurd, but it was from pathways that were already laid out in my life. I just did my best to seize them.

This is always the case with Mogul, the more you open channels for wealth to flow into your life, the more effective it is.

@Parsifal

But I was at a completely different starting point. There’s a lot of internal stuff to clear through before money can flow freely.

Yeah, admittedly, I came to Mogul without many internal blockages about wealth towards my goals to begin with. So it’s understandable that I have it easier with wealth scripting.
The internal stuff will clear out over time with enough experience & sub usage. Don’t worry about it.

I find DRR to be the best sub for cleansing blockages.
Big and small, even the ones you’re not aware of.
You should try it when a slot opens up in your stack.

Maybe Mogul worked exceptionally fast this time because there were blockages that got melted down by DRR1 behind the scenes. It kinda makes sense since this is the first time I’ve ever had significant gains this quickly.

[Viktor]

The thing that I started because of the inspiration from running RM:V is finally in full operation.
I can’t believe saying “fuck it, imma do it” actually worked.

How long ago did I start working on it? 3 - 4 months ago?
I never would have expected everything to be this quick.
Thanks Mogul, rofl.

I’m so excited for what’s to come.
Idk if this will end up well or not, only time can tell. Whatever happens, at least I can say “yes, I did it”, lol.

[Viktor]

@Viktor

@Ravenscout

So in other words I could keep NWE and still add new Limitless? My custom would be very dense if I did that, but I plan on running Limitless either way regardless. Wouldn’t it end up being smoother if I added it in the custom instead of adding it as a second title in my stack?

I can’t say anything for sure since I haven’t tried it myself.
Honestly, i want to try 3 cores + 1 NSE too just to see what would happen. The opinions here in the forum are still mixed up & unclear about the combination.

At this point, it’s better to submit a ticket to the support for a more accurate answer.

Fuck it, i’m gonna test it myself.

I want a more straightforward custom and i know i only need a simple one for my goals, but i’m also curious as heck about whether it’s too much or not.

I’m gonna add NR back into into the custom i planned for 3 months from now. I’ll use it for at least 2 months. If it ends up being too dense, i’ll just remake it with only ME + Limitless. It will only cost $100 + 2 months anyway. That’s barely nothing.

[Viktor]

I’m getting a reaction

I feel more easily irritable & jealous lately.
This is really exciting because this could be from LE.
Maybe this is what recon from LE feels like.
Finally i can feel something from the sub.

This could be from DRR1 though.
In which case; what the fuck? I have been using it for more than 3 months and this is the first time i get hit by a recon like this. The feeling is different from anything DRR1 has ever given to me, so i’m a bit skeptical that it is from DRR1.

The recon is not overpowering.
I’m more excited than annoyed by it, LE is finally giving me a reaction.

[Parsifal]

This are the answers I got on Limitless VS LE

@Niles

Personally, I’d still roll with Limitless Exeuctive and replace Limitless. Limitless while it has it’s benefits, main objectives are cognitive enhancement, learning, and overall learning.

Limitless Executive is more geared towards productivity and the cognitive aspects seem to effect more executive functioning, clear thinking, clear speaking etc.

@Jouissance

completely remove limitless and replace with LE.

Keep LE and Executive loop times LOW - they can cause some serious recon.

Make sure you have NR in your stack as per journals of myself, azriel, and niles, all of which show the incredible boost caused by a pure wealth title in the stack.

Both of them experimented a lot on productivity. So I trust their assessment.

[Viktor]

@Parsifal

Both of them experimented a lot on productivity. So I trust their assessment.

I see, I didn’t mess up then, rofl.