Transcending Levels of Energy: Discussion

[Niles]

Curious here if you guy’s are familiar with Dr.David Hawkins work in kinesiology, muscle testing, and levels of energy. Believe it has a lot of parallels with with what other religions, scripture, hinduism, etc.

Basic concept is that as you transcend the emotional scale or as your primary/dominant vibration moves from one level to the next, you begin relying more on “power” and less on “force”, as you are operating from a different level of energy. Hawkins states that there aren’t “good” and “bad” energies, but rather different measurable dominant vibrations that tend to correlate with different levels of energy, in turn attracting different experiences, environments, people, things.

To those not familiar, I highly recommend the book Power Vs Force. To those who are familiar, I wanted to open a discussion on which subs would resonate at which level of energy, as well as which might be a good option to go from one level to the next.

[Hoppa]

From personal experience, I’ve made similar observations.

I mentioned some of my experiences on some other thread here.

[dreamingheroes]

I have been rather eagerly using Dragon Reborn Red in tandem with this practice:

The 7 Day Mental & Emotional Diet (Emmet Fox, Lester Levenson)

Concurrently, I’ve been using the affirmations/self-suggestions ‘I am Peace’ and ‘I am Bliss’, since the states of peace and bliss exist at the same level of awareness. I consciously think those sort of thoughts during idle times and after releasing a thought that is limiting or negative. Recon has been decidedly low.

Utilizing Dragon Reborn Red with a proper mental diet (including the more aligned inner-talk) has been effective in eliminating beliefs within me that cause pain or suffering. There is a tangible, positive difference in how I feel, how I interact with the world (I’m significantly less reactionary), and how the world and people interact with me.

In other words, by cleaning up the muck, we naturally operate in a more synchronistic, joyful, and flow-based way.

[Niles]

Awesome, thanks for the share! Haven’t spent as much time with the healing titles as I probably could as I’m in a performance based job currently where I basically need to be always “on” and healing has a tendency to disrupt for me. Would love to do a DRR run once I have a bit more leverage.

Just added in Chosen, as right now I feel like I hover around pride/courage/neutrality, and looking to move towards willingness/acceptance. My goals are mainly financial right now and according to hawkins, a lot of material success really revolves around that level.

[Niles]

Nice, you should check out that book Power vs Force if you haven’t read it, as an entrepreneur especially. One of Patrick-Bet-Davids most recommended books.

[Azriel]

This is fantastic, thanks @Niles. I’m familiar with Hawkins and really love a lot of his work.

There was a student of Hawkins Stephen Hemon, he was in the PUA community, he was the ideagasms guy but then he turned towards Hawkins teachings in full before disappearing off the face of the planet. His later work based on Hawkins was incredible.

I feel I oscillate between pride and willingness. I spend equal amount of times in contraction and expansion, and definitely go between hyperactivity and productivity.

I have my dips into into Anger and Desire, and some blips of reason. I’ve had days in Love as well as gems throughout my life.

I think based off this model, what many of us really want is to evolve our consciousness, even if we don’t realize it and I also believe that real progress and success comes from that.

I think that, in the domains of enlightenment, material success matters less, but the power to generate it is there. But between courage and unconditional Love there is tremendous power to generate life goals and visions in alignment with what serves the greater whole of life. This evolution may be the thread between the abstract and more solitary spiritual pursuits and complete focus on material success.

[Niles]

@Azriel

I think that, in the domains of enlightenment, material success matters less, but the power to generate it is there.

Big key here. From what Hawkins says, there isn’t necessarily “good” or “bad” energy, just different levels that tend to attract different circumstances and results. He actually states that if your looking for material success in business the 300-400 range is what’s optimal as beyond that, you start loosing interest in accumulating material wealth.

A caviot to this is that a lot of celebrities and athletes are around the 500 range, self-love, expression, etc. This is where success comes from a result of being, rather then doing. This is also why I suspect that @SaintSovereign has mentioned that SB and LB could stack well together.

I believe range 300-350 is where Hawkins also mentions sales specifically, where things really become effortless as a result of you shifting out of the lower levels which mainly reflect our own self interest, to true selfless services towards others. This is why I think Chosen could be so powerful for sales. Taylor Welch also has some great content specifically around business and the levels of energy, Hawkins tends to spend less time on that area as opposed to the levels below pride and above love.

[Realitysmith]

Also the way to ascend the energy levels is to practice the “letting go” method. The Sedona Method is another way. I personally haven’t gotten too into the methods as they require patience and I’ve been kinda distractible.

[Serafim]

I really like the way Khan makes me feel as far as personal power goes. When stacked with WTP I found that I was becoming too much of an asshole. At the same time that combo helped kill off any “nice guy” tendencies, which was my original goal with Khan. And I think nice guy tendencies are rooted in fear. Pride feels waaay better than fear but it can be fragile and quickly turn to anger when things don’t go my way.

I think Khan paired with Love bomb is a great combo for ethical personal power if that makes sense as well as overall life enjoyment. Chosen as well although I haven’t run that combo for a full cycle yet. Seems like those 2 would balance the light and the dark.

If one wants to reach level 500+ I suppose The Alchemist and or ROS would be the way to go. I’m in midlife where I want financial success as well. If my financial needs were taken care of I’d have more time to dedicate to a full on spiritual practice.

Currently running ideas for how to achieve balance in mental, physical, spiritual, and financial arenas of life. I’m thinking DRG for the mental and spiritual, HOM for financial, then LOTS for physical. I really like ASBR and can’t seem to leave it out of my stack for too long. RMV for devotion to my music craft.

[Niles]

@Serafim

Currently running ideas for how to achieve balance in mental, physical, spiritual, and financial arenas of life.

Ain’t we all Once you find it let me know lol. Seems like any time I shift my focus to a different area something else suffers. I can maintain area’s while I improve others, but have found it nearly impossible to accelerate all of those area’s at the same time.

[Skadoosh]

That’s interesting. I know someone who watches this person’s videos (among others) and has improved their life.

[dreamingheroes]

He’s really consistent in his content, which I really appreciate from a repetition/learning perspective! When I first watched his videos about a year or two back, they were harder to follow, but now my comprehension is where I’d like it to be.

Congrats to that person you know! It’s always encouraging and exciting to remember life improvement is accessible!

[emperor_obewan]

Had heard about it pre-2020 and I can’t say it really inspired me. Labeling individuals as a certain energy level just seemed disingenuous and wrong. The map has a certain amount of usefulness in grouping states of consciousness together, but the states listed are very vague and can have different meanings to different people. The rationale for making peace higher than joy or love for example seems extremely arbitrary.

Also the muscle testing idea is no different from using a pendulum to quantify things. I have no problem with some of the general ideas he puts forward, but I think it’s definitely something to take with a grain of salt as nothing more than a useful classification system, something you should take care not to let to become a dogma.

I’m not the only one to criticise Hawkins, others have questioned his credentials or lack of rigor (redefining terms like power or force for example). And I’ve run into individuals before who had all but turned his system into a religion. But that doesn’t mean it can’t be useful to others.

[Skadoosh]

@dreamingheroes

He’s really consistent in his content, which I really appreciate from a repetition/learning perspective! When I first watched his videos about a year or two back, they were harder to follow, but now my comprehension is where I’d like it to be.

Congrats to that person you know! It’s always encouraging and exciting to remember life improvement is accessible!

Great job, lol. When it comes to these kinds of topics, I typically have an aversion to more mainstream, accessible sources of information because I often find that they are incomplete or fail to capture the depth and nuance of the knowledge. In some cases, they may even be distorted, watered down, or catered through oversimplification. No one really knows exactly what they’re talking about in terms of how the mechanisms work say 2, or 3 levels in. It’s why the success rates are very low, inconsistent, and all over the place. That being said, even if someone has a general idea and applies it consistently, then naturally they’re going to see some extent of result. That’s my friend in a nutshell. It’s very intriguing to see people manifest and experience different sources of information as they’re developing.

[Evolver]

I find his ideas to be cool. they are new mental models to evaluate my actions in life. I’ve just skimmed through the book. need to look more into it