Terminus and Terminus Squared

[Layman]

@SaintSovereign @Fire

I keep noticing these options when I order customs.
I’ve read the (brief) FAQ entry in the Q store about these:
“Terminus contains twice the amount of information of a Q subliminal. Terminus Squared contains twice the amount of information of a Terminus subliminal.”

I’ve read Saint’s post about ZP titles, how they are structured in a fractal way.
So does this mean that (for example), with a terminus version of a title, there’s twice as much info per 30 seconds of listening time?
And does that mean that, when listening to a Terminus title, I’d reach the point where I’m now hearing the entire script at around the 7.5 minute mark, rather than the 15 minute mark?
And if so, is there any need/point to listen to all 15 minutes if I’m running a terminus title?
Or have I misunderstood?

I guess I’m finding it hard to understand how Terminus and Terminus Squared work, or what my experience of using them might be, especially with one of the new anti-recon titles/cores, such as the upcoming Paragon, new Wanted, GLM etc?

[praisetheurdtree]

Would also like to know

[Philemon]

+1

Ive seen time and time again that less is more and my experience backs this up.

Is there a specific scenario where Terminus and Terminus Squared are better?

[ryder004]

Yes, if someone can actually explain this one, that would be great.

[Venus]

My understanding is that Terminus and Terminus Squared are for advanced users.
If you are not getting results from certain titles/customs, I doubt you will get results just by doubling / quadrupling the input. Remember less is more.

Perhaps there are underlying issues that you need to resolve before tackling those titles.

Have you tried Regeneration? It has helped me with issues I didn’t think I needed sorting. Also, I am noticing results for titles that I listened a while back.

I hope you get results soon.

[Philemon]

Interesting I had a very similar experience.

Relative to results I get now, my results running subs pre DRR was almost nothing. Aswell while running my first cycle of DRR i got more results from 3 cycles of another sub I used to run in 2 weeks.

I suppose I have a LONG journey ahead of me if tolerating the strength of Terminus and Terminus squared is something unlocked with time. (ive never tried them but I still can get strong recon from regular strength)

[Parsifal]

You need to understand, that we now have ZP, almost ZPU and only need very short loops.

That wasn’t always the case. Terminus and Terminus² are from a time when some users listened almost 24/7.

So doubling or quadrupling the input made a huge difference.

But why would you want to double the input when your sweet spot is 4 minutes? So you can reduce listening time to two minutes instead?

Some like to experiment and some actually get better results. God knows why. I don’t.

[jelly]

In my experience, it feels as though Terminus and Terminus Squared (now Quantum) hit a deeper part of the subconscious mind. Since the information is getting delivered at a faster rate, it could be that the input is able to get past more “gatekeepers” and get processed on a deeper identity level.

As for the listening times, I feel it depends on how much of the title you want to work with. When it comes to Limitless, my sweet spot is 15 seconds, no more no less. Meanwhile, my ASBR name embed that I run in ZPQ is the full 15 minutes, and I still get insane results within days of a single loop. With Limitless, I feel I only want it as a productivity/learning enhancer, not necessarily feeling like I need it to do much work in increasing intelligence. When I listened to more than 15 seconds, I’d either get mild recon or be stuck processing instead of the acute focus that I wanted.

I think a lot of it comes down to personal preference and experience with a title, and how you yourself choose to approach it.

[Parsifal]

This testimony makes me wonder.
If Terminus/² and ZPQ are not simply delivering more information in shorter time but also hitting differently, if they then could help getting better results for people with ADHD.
After discussing ADHD and subs for longtime with chatGPT we found that a ADHD brain might blank parts simply because the focus is switching to fast.
So if you get just pages 1,5,7,13&21 from the script and miss the rest, maybe ZPQ might be help bridge this gap.

[jelly]

That’s definitely a good theory worth testing. It might both break up the monotony of normal listening times that someone’s used to and also work with a part of the mind that’s able to focus on the script a little better.

[Moon]

I have a personal opinion on this. I can agree with the sentiment about blanking out parts of the script because focus gets switched instantly, and ZPQ could help with that. However, I believe the issue with missing scripting especially for ADHD minds is that so much happens that it becomes chaotic.

The subliminal mask uses water, which creates a calming effect. However, ADHD minds will ignore the scripting due to lack of focus (Chaos i.e., a lot going through your mind). If we replace the mask with thunder (a chaotic sound) and increase the strength of the subliminal (the speed at which information is sent), it could make it easier for the mind to connect and maintain focus, as it better matches the pace of the brain.

[Layman]

@SaintSovereign @Fire since you alone know how the tech all works, it would be great if one or both of you could have a look at this short thread and share your thoughts?
It seems we are curious to know how Terminus and Terminus squared would work, when combined with (or compared with) the new anti-recon and the ZP tech in the latest titles?

Also as a side note, several of us are interested as to whether Terminus/Terminus squared might be more effective for those with ADHD or severe demand avoidance (as a symptom of neurodivergent brains)?