I just want the best sub to improve the relationship I have with inner self. Can you guys suggest subs for this purpose?
1 Like
No. Too vague. What’s wrong with your relationship to yourself?
1 Like
Honestly, as stupid as it will sound, I really don’t know - unable to pin point it specifically. Hence the generalized question.
So why do you need a better relationship with your self? Maybe you don’t.
Why would I not? Everything is your relationship with yourself. I know there is something wrong with my relationship with myself - but there seems to be a lot of confusion with my emotions probably due to emotional overwhelm in these areas - which may have led me to shut down my emotions.
1 Like
Probably a case of reading the copies on many subs, and seeing what strikes a chord.
Sanguine is a possible consideration -
- Learn to manage and balance emotions effectively, maintaining composure and inner tranquility across various life situations, thereby fostering emotional equilibrium.
- Encourage deep self-reflection, leading to greater self-awareness and inner harmony, promoting personal growth and understanding.
Perhaps Love Bomb -
- Foster a profound self-love that celebrates individuality and authenticity, nurturing affection for every aspect of one’s being.
These two come to mind as titles I have run myself, but outside of that there are many more…
Like, you have a healthy relationship to yourself emotionally, but are unsure of purpose? Perhaps Genesis.
You are perturbed by a deeper trauma? Perhaps Dragon Reborn
3 Likes
OK so this could be a better question to ask than “improve relationship with self.”
Because your self is every single component of you.
So you’re not asking us for sub advice, you’re advising us to diagnose you with problems based on 0 information.
But you’ve now told us some information, shutting down emotions.
What sub would you recommend to someone if they said that was their issue? If you read through the sub store emotional healing category and assess subs asking yourself “which one would help me access my emotions the most?” which ones resonate the most?
1 Like
It seems I have had a case of cheating in my last relationship that broke me very deeply, due to that I shut down my emotions and struggled with emotional overwhelm for quite some years. I think this is the cause. Does that help @Jouissance ?
AoH, Love Bomb, Wanted Black (Yet might throw you out of balance first to get you there - being an artisian title) and Khan.
Love Bomb and/or Heartsong for that.
2 Likes
very very very much.
sorry to hear that happened to you.
i just came back from a vipassana retreat and was tortured by thoughts of my own cheating trauma, too. However, like @Bull_of_Shiva_999 is suggesting, I’m running Khan, and Khan is providing the fire and courage for me to face those traumas head on. I’ve known for over a decade that somehow, the first serious relationship that I had (and all the cheating involved) caused me some deep traumas on some fundamental levels. I just never knew how. Since starting Khan, I’m unravelling that deeply and even communicating about it with women who are helping me rewrite those experiences.
So, if you’re really committed to totally becoming the Khan, then, Khan is the way to go. Don’t worry about “being an asshole,” that stuff is all total BS.
I also really agree with Love Bomb. Khan is making me realize a run of Love Bomb would be really good for me. I’m becoming socially and sexually dominant, I’m getting what I want any time I open my mouth, and it’s helping illuminate the pattern that what I want is external validation to fill the hole in my heart. Hence - Love Bomb could be powerful. It’s SaintSovereign’s (or is it’s Fire’s???) #1 recommendation for a “heal a broken heart” stack if you feel that resonates.
5 Likes
I can relate deeply.
Love Bomb, bro.
1 Like
I will choose Revelation of Mind…it helps the listeners to dive deep into the inner landscape and understand how the self works….when I used it last year，it basically improved every parts of my life…off course，including …the part that you mention…build a better relationship with your inner self ……you could go to the ROM thread …many people posted reviews on that aspects…. 
1 Like
Lobe Bomb will do.
I like @Sebastian_Po’s suggestion. RoM is really good for diving into what’s going on in the deeper layers of the mind.
My initial thoughts were “why do you need a sub for that?” I keep wondering why for every little problem people assume a sub is the solution. Subs are for the major goals, but then I always consider supplementary techniques to remove blockages to reach the goals, and I’m sure someone will mention TRE.
But actually what comes to mind for me is the Kleem mantra which I’m currently in the process of doing many hours of work with. One of its main uses is healing issues around expressing love or past traumas around it, not just attracting love, and in fact at the deeper levels of practice it will even clean the past samskaras, as its purpose is to align/unite your causal and physical bodies. I don’t know if mantra work is your bag, but I figured I’d throw it in there.
1 Like
Kleem mantra can do that ?? What I did know it was for attracting your desired manifestation. Have you personally used kleem for healing your trauma? Would love to know more if you did?
But what I do know, if you use kleem mantra - remember to be sure on the specific intent you use it for, that kind of energy should not be used without intent as whatever you think in your mind you will start attracting ( including negative situations).
1 Like
Love Bomb + AoH. My 2 cents.
3 Likes
A lot of the information out online about Kleem is incomplete or not entirely accurate. The problem of good information is also compounded by the fact that in different traditions (Shaivite, Shakta, etc) the interpretations of the letters used to form the mantras are different.
The interpretation given on this page seems to be based in the Shakti traditions. Before I go into why I think both interpretations are correct, I should talk about my real world experience with the mantra.
Back in 2017, some time before my 40th birthday celebration, I began working with Kamadeva. I would do Kamadeva Gayatri, a specific practice involving ghee and one of the vashikaran Kamadev mantras (the one here), and Kleem. I had my own shed on the property I was living with a few “Buddhists” who were musicians and a ragtag crew of other good ordinary folk. Each day I would do min 30 minutes to an hour (and sometimes more) of practice of these mantras, with a murti I created for the purpose, which I would anoint with ghee and other material.
One of the first interesting things that happened after I had this practice established for a while was that the cats who lived on our property became attracted to the ritual and would come and sit with me while I was chanting. I would even feed them a little ghee during the ritual after this became a regular thing, but often when I would chant Kleem they would become almost like in a trance.
I gradually began to develop a better singing voice (we had a band practice of sorts where I would sing my own material with one of the Buddhists accompanying on electric guitar), and my face started changing. My level with the practice reached the point where when I would chant Kleem silently on a train, people in a radius around me would start acting lovey dovey together; it was like I was embodying Kamadeva. I also had a woman I knew online at the time literally offering marriage or living together and wanting to come out to my country to be with me, after I got into chanting Kleem out in nature, often internally as the practice developed. I didn’t end up taking up the offer as other circumstances intervened.
I unfortunately wasn’t able to keep up the practice due to the guitarist, who was drinking heavily and smoking weed, going spectacularly crazy after trying to literally worship my feet, which led to a period where I was working but had no fixed address as I moved to hostels for my own safety. While you’re working with this mantra, be careful of being around mentally unstable individuals as they can imprint on you due to the attraction power (which affects irrespective of gender).
Fast forward to today, when I have been working with the mantra again, but without the vashikaran in the mix and more recently moving my focus almost exclusively to Kleem. I recognize commonalities in the subtle experiences which I had back in 2017 and which I am having again now, as well as technical details of how to make better use of it. Detailing these below.
- Kleem is a bija mantra. Regardless of whether you associate it with a form of God or not, that’s not its key. The sound is important. Although you can chant it internally, to stabilize the effects you really need to chant it externally, and do a lot of repetitions. Push for akarshan siddhi, or better the stabilized associated shakti.
- Chant it elongating the ee, but more importantly also elongating the mmm/anusvara at the end. The internal vibration of the vowel and consonant resonate within the physical and energetic bodies.
- Online notes about not doing it after food and drink (and especially not with alcohol if possible) are correct. Number one you don’t have the same level of energy available while digesting for the practice, and second there is the energetic effect of the sound on the lower bodies/sheaths that is important for making it work. Although I have not found bathing beforehand is required, just useful to put you in a good mental state.
- After a half hour to an hour of chanting at a time (and the longer the better honestly), when I go outside to have a smoke and feel the subtle effects, the vibration goes all the way through your body. It is especially concentrated in the face at first, but if you are making good practice you will be able to feel the bliss energy in your body as far down as the feet. This is accompanied with a feeling of an internal smile/happiness and a sense of feeling comfortable in your body.
- The reason it takes time to accomplish the siddhi is that it really is creating changes in you on both a physical body level and an energetic level. It takes time to pick up power. I never ended up stabilizing the siddhi on the first run although I had akarshan operating for extended periods of time, even during my hostel hopping since I kept up the mantra practice during that period, just not with the same level of intensity. The effects were strong enough to help me, a fairly autistic person at the time, be social with people that were not my type and even get some female attention.
- Again, the sound is important. I’ve seen advice stating to chant deep in the belly and also at low volume, other advice saying chant loudly. The commonality in both sets of advice is you want the sound to resonate in the different parts of your body and also unite yourself with the sound. Although people state to visualize your goals, and other people say focus on the form of the deity or the guru, I have not found that to be necessary. The key is to allow the sound to transform your body and mind. Whatever happens as a result of this - emotional healing, physical manifestations, is just a byproduct of the effect of the action of the sound on your body. Beej are not like gayatri where you’re devotionally worshipping the form of a god. Any additional practices you use to work with the associated god form only harmonize with and assist the working of the sound on your sheaths. They are as close as you can come to the original mantra science, because you use them in a very practical way and they transform some aspect of your being energetically and directly, without the need for belief.
- I have found a sense of almost no-mind, dedication/will/devotion to the practice, and rhythm helps get into the rhythm of the chant. During the chant I will feel the vibration all the way from the third eye down to the teeth, in the hridaya, and even/especially manipura. After the chanting session, you should be aware of what’s going on internally energetically to glean insights on the practice, I have found the energy goes all over the body afterwards.
I am currently in the process of attempting akarshan siddhi again, and I’m only a short way into the process, but I’m hoping to stabilize it by the end of January. You’ll usually start seeing differences soon enough though, its all about the intensity and the time you put in to the practice.
What I can say as a result of my observations of the energetics of how Kleem works, is that this “attraction power” it embodies can take things to ultimately very high levels as the process unfolds. Through this power of love/desire it embodies, its like things start getting sucked together or united, and in order to do that if blockages such as samskaras or physical issues need to be corrected they will. It’s like the sound gets down into your being and does its work without needing your belief in any particular god. This is why non Hindus can get results with the mantra just as easily as Hindus.
I do firmly believe that the causal and physical bodies begin to be aligned as the page above says when you work towards the siddhi, because the sound vibrates through all the different sheaths. I’m not convinced the letter interpretations are 100% accurate, but the overall interpretation of attracting the causal body to unite in the love union with the physical body and harmonize with it is in line with the Beej’s causation of bliss and the unification it seems to cause.
I could go on more about how my experience has been so far on second run, but in reality the only way you’re going to know for sure is to experience it yourself. I recommend if you do it chanting for an extended period of time like an hour, then a short break to allow the energy to sink in, then take it up again, of course taking into account practical considerations of how much time you have to devote to the practice. I think the reason I keep coming back to this beej (other than my master/guru recommending it) is that its supremely practical and you do see tangible results if you put the effort in. Becoming more and more comfortable in your own body is only part of it, the opening up to the subtler bliss energy works its way in there too. And you don’t need to believe in the four armed Shiva or understand the intricacies of some representation of deity to get results.
Edit to add: the internal emotional state generated by the bliss energy from the prolonged chanting is something else man, helps you get over any emotional issues that might be going on, and it gradually works its way down to the lower levels to manifest outside of the chanting too.
3 Likes
Ascension and Sanguine
1 Like
Lovebomb
The Art of Happiness and Joy
Phoenix