Start over or not?

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#1

Since I started running my subs for 3,5 or 7 minutes, I realized how badly I overexposed myself when I started EOG. I have been running EOG and AM for 15 minutes each. No wonder from EOG 1 to EOG 3, I was always tired. EOG 1 worked great but I’m wondering if doing 15 minutes on top of AM for 15 minutes didn’t diminish the results of EOG 2 and EOG 3 (maybe even EOG 1).
My questions are two-fold:

  1. Does overexposure nullifies or diminishes results?

  2. Should restart the whole EOG + AM but this time only do 3 or 5 minutes?

@SaintSovereign: any advice?

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#2

If you feel that you are needing more of st1,2,3 then I would start again.

If not then proceed with the new listening pattern

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#3

I would take a looong washout and wait until if the st1 healing surfaces or not

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#4

No other answers? Come on people!!!

#5

This has always been a kind of implicit question with the whole Shorter Loops discussion.

But from what I’ve read, the answer seems to be a qualified ‘No’.

Shorter loops have been discussed primarily as a Recon-reduction strategy.

In other words, a title that is giving you a difficult time, may give you a less difficult time if you play shorter loops.

This allows you to adapt more smoothly to the title. And that smooth adaptation means that you may also have smoother action-taking. It’s just easier.

So, if you’re less knocked-out and incapacitated, that could indirectly support a smoother flow of results.

Now, look at the converse case.

A person runs a personally challenging title and plays the full 15-minute loop every other day.

  • The person will have more recon conditions (tiredness, low motivation, irritation, etc.)
  • The person will rest, journal, eat energy-rich foods, do stress-reducing activities, and continue (to the best of her ability) taking actions towards her goals

That’s like an airplane flight that has more turbulence. It’s a bit more stressful, but you still reach the destination just like you do with any other flight.

Hmm… This second scenario sounds kind of familiar doesn’t it? What does it remind us of?

Oh yeah! That’s right!

All listening prior to ZP programs. (Okay, maybe, 60 to 70 percent of pre-ZP listening.)

Here’s my opinion:

Use real-world benchmarks, rather than subliminals-dependent indexes.

If you’re going through EoG, for example, determine what realistic, minimum outcomes you want to achieve by the end of each level.

Use those benchmarks to determine when you’re done, rather than thinking about too many listening-related details.

To use a gym analogy.

When I can lift 150 pounds at least twice on my fourth set—relatively comfortably and with no pain throughout the lift—then in my next workout, I’ll add 5 pounds to the bar.

If that takes 3 weeks, then I’ll do it after 3 weeks. If it takes 1 week, then I’ll do it after 1 week.

Then, once I can comfortably lift 155 pounds twice on my fourth set, I’ll add 5 more pounds the week after that. And on and on and on, until I reach my plateau.

Now, sometimes, we don’t have such specific goals or benchmarks, but in that case, you don’t need to worry about if the program was working or not. Just relax and let it do what it does.

If you’re not heading anywhere specific, why stress about where the plane is going? Just take the ride.

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#6

Got kind of lost in my analogy there.

The practical point is:

With continued listening, adaptation is going to occur.

It’s just a question of how smoothly or turbulently (i.e., recon-filled) that adaptation process proceeds.

Once adaptation occurs, your recon will reduce.

Then you’ll start to notice a smooth flow of results. (Actually, there will be results even before that. I think people often still get results during the times when they’re experiencing recon. But it should get smoother after one is more adapted.)

This happens whether you run it for 3 minutes or for 15 minutes.

For people who play shorter loops, once adaptation has occurred, they can start to play longer loops. Eventually, they will probably get up to 15-minute loops as well. But the point of the strategy is to reach that point with less recon along the way.

If you play 15-minute loops from the beginning, you’ll still go through your adaptation.

Either way, once the mind has adapted, you should be seeing a smooth flow of results.

p.s. it’s notable that despite all of these ongoing loop-length experiments for the past few months, the standard instructions have still not been changed. I think that if long-term results were truly at risk, the recommendations would have been changed already. We’ll see what happens in the future.

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#7

Gonna second @Alphamale here. You might be on a delayed buidup. Going back might add to even more over exposure if what you took in with the 15 minute loops hasn’t been processed yet

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#8

Fire once said: overexposure masks itself with overexposure .
Not: This exposure diminishes the information you have exposed to(before this exposure) so that your subconscious reconcile them.
So: recon builds up, the most the exposure, the more the recon and rest days needed.

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#9

But we also need to recognize that there’s a difference between

  1. compounding effects (positive)
    and
  2. over-exposure (negative)

It’s pretty clear, for example, that most of the time when you play your subliminals, your mind is actually still actively processing the loops you played 2 days earlier. There’s a ‘kick-push’ effect similar to the build-up of momentum when a person is skateboarding.

That build-up of strength and momentum is good as long as it’s not outpacing the growth in your system’s capacity.

In other words, if you’ve got a weaker skateboard, then you’d better not kick as powerfully and as frequently. The force might cause your skateboard to break.

And that’s over-exposure. It’s not mere repetition. Manageable repetition is fine, and should be a normal part of building strength over time. The problem is overly intense repetition that over-stresses your system’s capacity.

I think that in the case of over-exposure or overly intense exposure, it should not be mysterious. There should be a sense of pressure and overwhelm. There should be some discomfort.

And if and when you become aware of that, just rest. If it seems to be happening every time you listen, even when you’re fully rested, then play a shorter length.

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#10

Hmm…maybe I’m missing the more important point.

You’re wondering:

What happens to the results from all of that listening time when I was feeling tired?

@Fractal_Explorer and @Alphamale got that point better than I did.

I think this relates to Bloom Effects.

What are bloom effects other than delayed or longer-term expressions of the script once you’ve given yourself some necessary rest?

And bloom seems to be a fairly common experience.

Okay, so I agree with what others have said. Just give yourself a chance to rest, take action, and watch for bloom.

So the rule of thumb might be. If you noticed that you were feeling tired, then rest until you no longer feel tired. At the same time, journal and take real-world action in order to monitor for Bloom.

If after (say) 3 weeks, you’re feeling balanced and good, and you still don’t notice the effects that you wanted from Stage 1 or Stage 2, then drop back and play it again. This time at shorter durations.

Still seems to come back to real-world action and observable benchmarks.

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#11

I’m in the middle of LBFH + GLM. When I finish it, I’ll take the whole month of September off to see if there is any blooming effect. Then I’ll assess if I redo EOG1 and EOG 2 or if I just pick up from where I stopped.

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#12

How’s the experience going with LBFH and GLM? I mean as far as the things we’ve been talking about (e.g., tiredness, recon, loop length, smoothness of results, etc.).

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#13

Totally happening to me right now. I’ve been having less motivation, sleeping more lately, feeling sleepy or weak. Now the question is, will a longer period of washout help? Or it isn’t necessary. If so I plan on giving my self 7days washout. Why this is also happening to me is cos I made a custom consisting of wanted & Khan st4 and I’m also listening to Ql st1 and mind’s eye. That’s a lot I know so I’ve removed mind’s eye even do I hate to do that just to reduce the energy draining I’ve been experiencing. I forgot to include that I’ve been listening to Ascension chamber once a week as well

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#14

The heaviest hitters in your stack seem to be Quantum Limitless Stage 1 and Khan Stage 4. Mind’s Eye is actually said to be relatively light.

(Although with the right person even a light program can still cause recon. It’s kind of like having a Specific Phobia. Many people may not like spiders, but they’re still okay if a very small one is around. But if you have a specific phobia (arachnophobia), then that little spider is going to throw you way off. Some people may have the equivalent type of deal with some area of development.)

Anyway, without knowing you deeply, I’d wager that it’s QL1 that’s making the greatest difference, because it’s specifically a Healing and Reorganization program.

One strategy:

Remove QL 1 for 3-7 days. See if things start feeling much easier. If they do. Then reintroduce it but play shorter loops and possibly spaced farther apart.

Or you could try the same strategy with Khan Stage 4.

We seem to be moving into the age of individual calibration.

(Though for full transparency, I haven’t tried any of these alternate approaches. Seem to be somewhat thick-headed. And I don’t notice slight changes a lot of the time.)

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And don’t forget about submitting a ticket to User Support to get a more official recommendation.

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#15

I almost didn’t have any of those tiredness or recon. But I have been do 3 minutes or 5 minutes. So far, the results have been internal. I’m just feeling really, really, really good. I noticed that I have a very easy time stopping beating myself over past mistakes.
I also noticed that I started consciously thinking that I need to let go of my existing money beliefs. These last few days, I’ve been thinking: “You need to drop the “I’m broke” personal story. Choose a better one”. This could also be an effect of EOG but I do think that LBFH has something to do with it to.

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#16

Sounds like you’re processing EoG stage 1 just fine, and that LBFH is enhancing your results.

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