SSX vs PS, what’s better for my case?

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#21

Welcome officially to DG . I am not a Forum Ambassador but I think I can relate to your feelings since I have been there.

DG is hard , getting up against those string of rejections is hard .
Cold Approaching is not a easy task . It will make you question the very value of yourself .

Write down your " WHY " you chose DG . Repeatedly ponder upon your why .
Thats your will power .
IMO you can suceed in this . Have patience and put in the hard work . Keep Going no matter what .
Thats the only way to succeed in DG / Cold Approaching .
It only takes one yes to flip your feelings .

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#22

Yea, so I’ve done DG over the past month with varying levels of success. I’ve closed, too. The momentum slowed down a bit last week (hmm…around the time I also switched to PS too) and then with yesterday’s trial run of Primal and the onslaught of recon that followed, I really feel as if I have crashed. And this is in a general social sense, too—I really should not have doubted on the value of Daredevil, I truly want to keep that around for a while. And SSX is foundational—in a time where I am really trying to have a rock solid foundation through coaching and taking action like I’ve never done before, SSX really was helping this whole time though I didn’t appreciate it as much.

After the recon hit I went into a spiral that was gradual, but became very salient at night. Whether it’s me choosing to not approach anyone at the park I went to, to going back home and just watching a movie, to going to sleep late and more…it’s left me wondering, what happened? This is not who I am, who I’m supposed to be. I don’t want to go back to these days. It’s like the world is showing me a version of myself from way back then, before I started to gain confidence in succeeding socially. It’s like the progress of the past month became invisible to me. I know it’s there, because I’ve journaled about my DG and social adventures over the past month and I know so much has happened indicating that I’m changing at a faster rate than ever before.

But now I feel like I’m wondering, where did it all go?

I feel so sluggish today, and a little sad at how I got myself into this nonsense.

My next healing title
#23

Honestly I think I got more recon from SSX than Primal, but then again, I was running SSX with WB and Primal with Sanguine and LB. But you’re making me curious to run SSX alone… :thinking:

#24

I have used all 3 products SSX, Primal and Primal Seduction. I am more of the talkative type I can tell a story and absolutely mesmerize people around me SSX seems to bring those qualities out of me.

Primal in my experience is similar to SSX but alittle bit more domineering. When you talk to you will be like fucking thunder. Once you open your mouth men and women just listen women begin get all submissive. PS for me was less words but still giving off a seductive vibe. SSX is a good choice for day game.

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#25

Did you run a full loop or microloop?

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#26

It was 7 minutes.

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#27

I was doing a 3 title stack with a 1x weekly title at 15 mins. I had new Primal in my 1x weekly slot for a couple cycles. No problems at all with 15 mins 1x a week and it worked great, maybe not as fast but definitely steady progress.

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#28

Honestly that could’ve been why. During my second cycle I started with microloops, i.e. starting at 30 seconds and increasing by 30 seconds each listening. When I got to 4 minutes, that’s when I hit some recon.

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#29

That’s interesting, how many weeks did you do primal for? And what was the rest of your stack, was it related?

#30

I have new Love Bomb and Khan Black 4. Though I was on KB 3 when I was doing Primal 1x weekly. Still doing Primal just in normal rotation because after a few cycles I just wanted more Primal in the mix.

#31

The sales copy clearly says:

For comparison sake, this new PRIMAL is approximately ten times the size of the previous PRIMAL.

Although it contains the core of the old Primal, that is rebelling against what limits you in the realm of seduction and tapping into your masculine, sexual essence, it contains a lot of social and seduction/sexual scripting that is way beyond what the “average seducer” can do.

It embeds within you the psyche of a man whose life is an anthology of rich, diverse narratives, embodying the wisdom of one who has known the company of a thousand high-quality women.

That’s pretty challenging for someone who needs

I’m running Primal myself, and even though I’ve made great progress on it, I needed to aid it with SSX since I could clearly see that there are still some seduction patterns that need to get worked on before I can truly tap into what Primal really offers, that is

In its essence

PRIMAL is an ethos, a philosophy of living.
It’s about crafting the reality you’ve always envisioned, seizing life with both hands and molding it to fit the contours of your deepest desires.

It’s really not a foundational sub and everyone should do the work before embarking on it.

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#32

Thanks a lot, @Sub.Zero. I get the sense that I should hold off on Primal for a while. There’s a certain coaching program I’m going through right now on this topic and my subliminal stack is meant to go along with that. I have a feeling Primal is something I would run after the end of the program, meaning I’ll have run my KB + DD + SSX stack for a few months by then.

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#33

In my opinion, this right here is a false narrative and it’s going to put some people off running this sub.

Primal is a seduction sub alright, but it’s not simply a seduction sub. Read the copy again, try to understand the concept behind the sub, the mechanics by which seduction is then accomplished.

It’s about risk taking, being free, being liberated beyond convention, embodying a truly Primal man.

It’s not just seduction. Read the copy again, it is painting an image of what the sub offers and then ask yourself

What does a truly primal man mean to you?

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#34

All those titles lay great foundations for what Primal really offers, given you’ve done thorough healing, that you have.

Another thing is, Primal made me understand that revisiting the term “reconciliation” may be necessary as I’ve experienced it on Primal in different forms than the ones described in the traditional terms.

To me, “the new recon” (related to the NSE) doesn’t always manifest in the forms we all know (irascibility, anxiety etc.), I would say it rarely manifests in those forms, and its essential form is very similar to what we used to call “stonewalling”. Yet it’s never total but encompasses certain parts of the scripting we’re unable to execute at the moment. It’s a kind of inability to execute patterns encouraged by those parts of the scripting. That inability is perceived on the subconscious level only, and what helps to overcome it is to get aware of that inability and recognize those patterns in order to try to reinforce them in a conscious way, mainly by reflecting upon them and taking proper action.

@AnswerGroup

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#35

How long have you been running it, mate? If you base your opinion on the sales copy solely it’s not really serious to argue with someone who’s been running Primal for over six months, with some breaks in between.

On top of that, you’re referring to the very basic aspect of Primal while the sub offers so much more than that.

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#36

I’ve ran it for three cycles now.

I know you have ran it for six months as you say. However, that is your own experience and unique insight of the sub, or doesn’t mean others will have the same experience as you did.

Two different people can run the same sub and get different results.

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#37

@Sub.Zero I’m curious, would it be more helpful to jump straight to KB ST4 instead of KB ST3? I am wondering if it would be better to benefit from both the energy boost of ST3 and the sexual energy discipline that comes with ST1. Or is this the recon talking into trying another quick solution. :joy:.

Maybe just one loop of ST1 before I get back to ST3.

#38

What’s funny is that you frame it as if it applied to me only. I pointed to the real potential of the sub, backed by my results and experiences whilst you and many others are focused on the essential work that Primal does. Mind that that essential work offered by Primal is not its main objective but a prerequisite to, yet again,

the sanctum of COMPLETE, OVERWHELMING seduction .

There are other subs that cover that prerequisite way faster and better than Primal (Ascension + SSX, for example) and that’s why I don’t consider it a foundation sub. Even getting good results on it (you can read about in my journal) I still deemed it necessary to cover some basics by adding SSX to my stack.

@SubliminalUser

Do your washout and then consider it. Take into account what St3 has done for you so far and what else it could offer you if you decided to run it longer.

#39

Yea, so I gave it some more thought. Really the idea came from an immediate desire to destroy the pmo thread that resurfaced with the recon. I’m thinking running one loop of ST1 would get me back on track before switching out to ST3. Now whether to do that tomorrow or Sunday is the question…

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#40

I’m getting to the end of my washout, I definitely feel better about myself now.

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